"Law would put 'in god we trust' in schools"

[orleans]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05097/484170.stm

"HARRISBURG -- The national statement of faith, "In God We Trust," has been appearing on coins since 1864, and has been the country's motto since 1956. But should it be appearing in each of Pennsylvania's tens of thousands of public classrooms?

A proposed law, now awaiting action in the state House, would require the motto to appear in every public school classroom, auditorium and cafeteria in Pennsylvania.

If it gains steam, the "National Motto Display Act," as it's being called, is likely to begin a battle pitting familiar foes -- proponents say it's an historical motto that harmlessly brings a little bit of God into schools, while opponents say it's a possible breach of the church-state wall.

"It sounded right to me," said Rep. Bob Bastian, R-Somerset, recalling the first time the bill crossed his desk. Bastian is one of the bill's sponsors. "We're a country that was formed by Christian-thinking people, and we need to continue to have our trust in God." "

someone should tell these freaks about the treaty of tripoli which states: "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

if i lived in pennsylvania and this law passed i would not let my child attend public school. my daughter is seventeen and she has never "been to church". she has been inside a church twice for two weddings we attended--that's it. she found wicca and turned to nature to fill her needs of mysticism. but she doesn't partake in any organized religion--instead she sees the hypocrisy of so many who do profess to be "good" christians. she has more of those "christian values" in her than do so many of the christians. she is a good, kind, loving, respectful, forgiving and generous person--she does the right thing because it is the right thing to do, not because she is bribed or threatened by other worldly things.

if this bill passes there may very well be little alternative schools opening up across the state of penn. that will be working to keep religion out of the school environment.

[Discord]

1. The march goes on.

*sigh*

They just keep on pushing this shit all over the place.

[GOPFighter]

2. Maybe they should modify it to read:

In The Intelligent Designer We Trust

[Discord]

3. or...

"In Your Unquestioning Servitude We Trust."


:evilgrin:

[immoderate]

4. We had a similar bill in Arizona

I used to live there. The bill failed.

I always ask people to explain what "In god we trust" means. How should I act differently if I believe it?

--IMM

[fshrink]

5. Sometimes I wonder whether

it wouldn't be better for the cause of intelligence and freedom that we live in a fundamentalist world for a while. The while would be rather short, if you ask me, and we would at last deal with the actual issues...

[GOPFighter]

7. Yeah, like an alcoholic....

...sometimes ya' gotta hit the bottom before you realize you're in trouble. Living in a Fundie world for a couple of years would make most Americans gag.

[Zenlitened]

6. There's just no end to it, is there? The god-fetishists...

... will just keep on pushing this crap forever, won't they?

It's a sick obsession, a form of perversion, really. :puke:

[eek MD]

8. And our atheist tax dollars will be paying to make the signs.....

Putting this up in every classroom in the entire state, along with auditoriums and cafeterias is gonna cost a bit of money......you don't think they're gonna use CHURCH money to hang all the new pretty pictures, do you?....that'd be a violation of the separation of church and state....../sheesh

Our kids are already coerced into pledging allegiance to a "nation under god".....It's tragic exposing some to this against their will, but i doubt it will do anything to sway anyone's opinion in favor of god....(infact, i can imagine it turning people off, by being seen as a political ploy just like the schiavo thing).....I just hope that the more rational kids will perform some "civil disobedience" to these new signs.... :)

[Gelliebeans]

9. I've been really worried about this

but I really think these people (fundies) will crash and burn. They get an inch and try to grab a mile.

I won't sit back but I keep reminding my friends and family (that are believers) that separation of church and state is vital to a healthy democracy. I am hoping that by discussing all the radical movements of the whackjobs with an agenda most people won't sit on their hands ignoring the outright blatent shredding of the constitution. :eyes:

[Discord]

10. I went to war with my brother yesterday over religion.

He sold out. We were both born into a Methodist family. (My grandparents were Methodists, as was my uncle and his family. Both mom and dad were athiests. Somewhere in the early teens my brother and I both broke away from the church and began following our own paths. He became an Athiest for a time, and was the one who got me involved in Discordianism. He has now sold out... He joined his wifes religion on a compromise. That instead of being Catholic, they would attend UUA. Now admittedly, thats like religion lite, but the fact remains... how could someone whos mind was at one point free... and was actively against religion for a good period of time, get sucked back into it. Now I could see him... "putting on a good show" for his wifes sake. But to raise 2 children to be brainwashed by the church, and to DEFEND his church to me?!?! blew me away. I never thought I'd see the day he sold his mind to religion. was truly a sad day. My mom isn't very happy about it either. she very anti-church.

Like mother, like son! :D