Skull and Bones!

[GRLMGC]

Bush and Kerry must have had a deal <sarcasm off>

What the hell is wrong w/ people? Yeah, Kerry almost won. Whoops he came too close to beating Bush, what a mistake.

People are really dumb. Is it just DU, or do other people still peddle this crap? I just wish these people would leave the party already so I don't have to listen to their whining.

Most people don't think like them, they're just louder.

[angrydemocrat]

1. I Get Sick Of The ........

Skull and bones crap. People need to wake up and smell the damn coffee! The piss me off so bad when it comes to this dumb shit!:grr: :grr: I just got here is that the talk in the other forums? If it is I'm not even going over there listening to their dumbass shit. I'm not in no damn mood to listen to a bunch of damn whiner acting like illiterate dumbasses!:mad: :mad: :mad: These damn people must be broke and out of jack and coke and hitting the damn kool-aid instead!:hangover: And if that's not the case they have finally lost what few lost what few brains they had left and need directions to the nearest mental ward! :crazy:

[GRLMGC]

2. Seriously

Some are just as bad as Freepers. I don't care if I agree w/ someone on a lot of things. Self-righteousness on either side is crap.

[ginnyinWI]

3. they want to disrupt, they want to demoralize, they want to

make Kerry people really, really mad. Does that describe a true, supportive Democrat? I'd say not. Someone wants to continue to try to destroy Kerry's credibility. Hm. Maybe they know he's still a very real threat. And he is--watch out.

[GRLMGC]

4. Well

They're succeeding in pissing me the fuck off. I'm temperamental so that's not hard. I like when the ignore thread function is on, but that's pretty rare nowadays.

[JI7]

5. DU has always been like this

there was one guy who use to go after Kerry on the skull and bones thing for years . on election night we found out he was a right winger when he outed himself.

i just ignore them. Kerry has never been popular on DU but he did really well in the primaries. Edwards was also not that popular on DU and he did well also. the difference is that there isn't much hostility towards Edwards as there is against Kerry.

but DU has always been very anti kerry, very negative towards kerry. even on things like the iraq war, the iwr , it was always used against KErry more than against any other democrat or even against Bush. many people would take what bush said and use it against Kerry.

i just try to ignore most of it now. i suggest some of you do the same also. no matter how much you respond and try to debate it, it isn't going to stop.

[angrydemocrat]

6. Well

I look at it this way I will ignore them for so long and then I just say what I got to say about it whether it be nice or not. These people will not keep me from saying anything that is their damn problem now they are a bunch of damn bullies that have succeeded in running people off in the past. Well not this Kerry supporter. And I can be just as negative as they are and there is no politician without fault. So the same can be done to them about their candidates as some around here have found out. And no matter how much they try to debate me they will not change my mind and the firing back when they start there shit isn't going to stop. So if they want to fight all I got to say is "BRING IT ON!" Because this Kerry supporter is going no damn where and stands ready to fight when they are game!

KERRY ON!

[JI7]

8. i agree, you should never leave DU

i have been on DU for over 2 years . supported Kerry from the start and have never left because of the attacks and will never leave.

but my point is that sometimes it's just better to ignore them or not let them get to you.

[JohnKleeb]

9. yeah we gotta either ignore or not let it get to us

It's tough, to be honest, I never was a fan of the two big DU faves, Dean and Clark, now I am a yellow dog dem and I would have given them each my time if they had won but I liked as I still do Kerry and Edwards better.

[WildEyedLiberal]

10. "the difference is that there isn't much hostility towards Edwards..."

That's because Edwards didn't win the nomination. Had he, it would've been all Edwards hate all the time, and Kerry would've been a better, if still crappy, choice. According to the crazies.

The fickle and thick-headed radical wingnut faction makes me :puke:

[GRLMGC]

11. This is true

Some people just like conflict and drama.

[WildEyedLiberal]

12. DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA

It's like fucking high school. DU HS! Rah rah rah! Gooooooo Donkeys!!!

At least we Kerrycrats are the smart clique.

[JI7]

13. even before Kerry won the nomination

i mean months before, the entire year of 2003. always very anti Kerry. john kleeb was here during that time and he can confirm things were like that.

the polls on du always had kerry losing when asking which candidate you support. even while Kerry was winning the primaries he was losing on du polls. but this is why i say we should not let what happens on du get to us so much. because i remember watching cspan and as we were getting closer to the iowa caucuses Kerry was looking really good and he was getting big crowds and just the whole atmosphere was very positive. i read some reports of people in iowa and they had very good things to say. but on DU it was still pretty anti Kerry.

[New Earth]

14. i can't figure out for the life of me

WHY?

[GRLMGC]

15. because

For a lot of people on DU, he isn't "liberal" enough. You have to admit, this is not a hospitable place for anyone even perceived as being moderate. It's pretty funny because Dean is pretty moderate and people here just fawn over him. Go figure.

[sandnsea]

19. Exactly

You try to give people the most liberal candidate we've had since Bobby, who can actually win, and they spit right in your face. Dean never supported pulling troops out of Iraq and wouldn't have had he won the nomination, but these idiots couldn't pull their heads out and support Kerry's position. They chose to repeat right wing wishy-washy lies. They whined he was ignoring the anti-war base. They drive me right over the bend. I like to believe if Dean had won, Kerry supporters would have had the good sense to line up behind him 100%. We're the base of the Democratic Party, through thick and thin, that's what I think.

[GRLMGC]

23. They're such malcontents

They're never pleased w/ anything.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. Yeah :(

I guess Kerry should be perfect, like Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich.

</sarcasm>

[JohnKleeb]

17. Coming in to confirm it now and I wasn't even supporting Kerry at the time

but I felt obliged to stand up for him as early as Summer '03, why? I thought Kerry was a great democrat and senator who was getting a raw deal because of some of his votes by supporters of candidiates who didn't even have to vote on this stuff. That's no offense to any former Dean or Clark people here, really but it was very easy for many of those supporters of those candidiates to criticize because Dean and Clark didn't have to vote on any of the legislation that Kerry got derided as Bushlite for voting for. I don't know why many people don't like Kerry, personally I think he's great. Yes, I remember in early January after last Christmas Kerry starting making his comeback, I was a Kucinich supporter at that time but Kerry was my number 2, and I was pleased to see him come back, and I was very pleased when he won the Iowa Caucus, of course the happiness was short lived because I came to the boards and it was ugggggly.

[JohnKleeb]

7. People are ignorant, I hated this argument in the primaries

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. And you know what?

Let's say they did have a Skull and Bones deal (bear with me folks; I know it's nauseating.) Allright - Kerry was in S&B BEFORE Bush was - he was two years ahead of Bush at Yale. So why does everyone assume that Bush is some kind of Skull and Bones Grand Poohbah that all other Bonesman are bound by blood oath to obey? Who died and made him Satanic Lord of Skull and Bones? Wouldn't he be just as obligated to "help" Kerry - nay, more so, since he's a more "junior" member?

Oh, wait; I'm THINKING. Something the wingnuts don't like to do. Ha ha, I forget myself sometimes. On a serious note, I think ALL talk of Skull and Bones is a big steaming crock of horseshit. I really think it's obvious from Kerry's biography that Skull and Bones doesn't really affect his life all that much. Hell, his best friend in it was killed in Nam. And he's never, ever hobnobbed with Bush or any of his cronies in the past, so why would he all of a sudden be Skull and Bones buddies with him?

Oh, damn... here I go again with that logic shit.

[Withywindle]

20. Even by never-leave-the-house, excessive-pot-smoking...

...conspiracy theorist standards, this particular one is TEH STOOOPID.

[GRLMGC]

25. hahahaha

Yeah, sometimes I'm amazed at the stupidity I encounter.

[LittleClarkie]

21. I must admit the wild baseless accusations are annoying

I hope I'm handling myself decently out there, but sometimes as AmerDem pointed out, I'm sure I get sarcastic.

Still, I could have strangled him when he said he didn't have time to waste reading my "rant" about how Kerry was more active than AmerDem realized, and not just because he'd been "called out."

Actually, I spent quite a bit of time writing out what I hoped would be a reasonable discussion of what we know so far, and what we don't know, about what's going on with Kerry.

And I can't believe the "leftover money" issue is still around. And the number keeps growing!! That must be some interest rate Kerry in his bank account.

:eyes:

I'm getting testy. I'm repeating myself. I should hang in this forum more.

The far left sounds like the far right, and they wonder why Kerry didn't get more votes. When will people learn that you must believe in what you're selling or you can't sell it effectively. Someone said that they thought that was the point, that they could put out a ham sandwich and everyone would flock to it because it wasn't Bush.

I think they underestimated the reality disconnect many Repubs have. One guy I know thinks Bush will be the best president we've ever had. Sheesh!

And now I'd better go to sleep and get that 4 hours I have left. I have to teach Sunday School in the morning: eight 6-year-olds.

Anyone else still having sleep issues since the election?

[angrydemocrat]

22. Yes

I still don't sleep the way I should. I get so pissed at fighting with the naysayers all the time. I swear it's like being in damn freeper land or something it so crazy. But I can't bring myself to let it go. I can't stand all these people bashing Kerry and spewing their freeper talking points and lies about him and just not say anything. I feel like not saying anything in Kerry's defense is wrong and lets these assholes further their damage control. I'm just not willing to allow that to happen at least not without a fight. It is very tiring at times but I think it is something that has to be done regardless if it kills me in the process. After all this is my country, my future, and my childrens not just these assholes. And I will fight for what I think is right.

[GRLMGC]

24. Right wing nuts and Leftwing nuts

become the exact same thing. Nobody likes them and nobody can relate. And have you noticed how they get angry when anyone mentions that most people are pretty moderate in their views? Its like if you don't think like them, you're evil. That doesn't get votes. Telling people they're stupid idiots because they don't believe EXACTLY the way you do is a stupid strategy. I know its possible to get moderates to vote your way. For example, my cousin is "pro-life" but she voted for Kerry because she knows that there are other issues to take into consideration. I also know a girl who considers herself a Republican but voted for Kerry because he believes in protecting a woman's right to choose. Now, imagine we nominate some candidate that is soooo far to the left that he'll alienate a lot of those moderates. For God's sake, Kerry isn't even THAT moderate. Sorry for the rant, hehe.

[sandnsea]

28. "Kerry's not perfect"

I never did quite understand where that line popped up from. But I was just reading an article about gay marriage and how disappointed a gay group was that Kerry didn't support it 100%. Guess what, "Kerry's not perfect, but..." I had no idea that "Kerry's not perfect" meant Kerry doesn't tow the line of a particular interest group. Supporting civil unions and being against gay marriage amendments is as far left as any Presidential candidate has ever been willing to go, and they have the audacity to say "Kerry's not perfect"???? The guy who was the first to introduce gay rights legislation, way back in the 80's? The guy who took a beating for voting against DOMA and against Don't Ask, Don't Tell? The guy who has been a leader for AIDS legislation, again starting way back in the 80's? He's not perfect???? Aaargh!!

[paulk]

26. the far left

Something interesting - when I started on this board three years ago, my politics were a lot more to the left than they are now - one of the primary things driving me toward the center was a well developed sense of pragmatism and... the nutjob leftists who make of the majotity of this website.

I've spent the last several days here defending the DLC - which is wierd because I'm not really that much of a fan - I just get offended by the constant stream of - what other word can I use? -

"LIES"

The worst thing is - you can correct people - point out very conclusively that what they're saying isn't true - and the next day they'll be right back posting the very same thing. It's hard not get pissed and make posts that you regret. On the other hand, I have no compunction any more against going after even long time posters who's only agenda seems to be dividing the Democratic Party.

No more mister nice guy...

[sandnsea]

27. It's horrible, isn't it?

I'm actually fairly far left on my views too, by conventional standards. But around here, I spend so much time trying to get leftists to recognize a. they're leftists, b. they're not objective, and c. they're not the base; that I end up sounding far more to the right than I really am!

[JohnKleeb]

29. I know what you mean

and if anyone's ever seen my results on political tests, one could call me a socialist or even a commie but I am a yellow dog dem with progressive yet sometimes pragmatism. It is annoying honest, it makes me feel like a centrist and I know damn well I am not.

[GRLMGC]

30. I know

I hate that!

[JohnKleeb]

31. the other thing I don't like is

that just because I am critical of certain things, I am assumed to be defending the DLC, when in reality Ive criticized centrists who want no left wing in the party but I also criticize leftists who want the same for centrists.

[GRLMGC]

32. The DLC is the enemy

I don't like the DLC that much either but this vilification is ridiculous. How does it serve us to alienate a segment of the Democratic Party? It doesn't. That's stupid. You lose election when you lose voters. Apparently, some here aren't that good at math.

[JohnKleeb]

33. People overestimate its power so much

I think, our house leader, Nancy Pelosi isn't a member and our senate leader, Harry Reid isn't either.

[GRLMGC]

34. yeah

but their Republican-Lite, remember? <sarcasm off>

[JohnKleeb]

35. Ive actually studied a lot of the DLC membership and who they are

A lot of people I like are members. You know who I really don't hear much about is the Blue Dogs, now those are more real republican lites than the DLC, I of course am no fan of Al From but I do like some members of the DLC.