Fuck Harold Ford.

[_dynamicdems]

He's called on Kerry to apologize. This guy should know better.

[Mass]

1. No surprise. We all knew it would come from somebody like Ford.

[TayTay]

2. Harold Ford needs to get elected, I get that.

BUT, did you notice, btw, if he returned all the lovely money that John Kerry has raised for him?

Gee Harold, maybe you don't need that $302,000+ that a certain outspoken Senator has raised for you.

[_dynamicdems]

4. Exactly.

All he had to do if asked was say something like, "I really think enough time has been spent on this and I'd really like to talk about the issues of my campaign."

[wisteria]

6. yeah, some of that money was mine. should I tell him I want it back? n/t

[Inuca]

7. Mine too

Damn' a..hole!

[babylonsister]

13. Wow. Is that what the DNC raised, or what Kerry gave Ford? nt

[SouthernBelle82]

24. I read in another post

that Ford was asked about that and he said he wouldn't send the money back.

[politicasista]

3. I don't agree with it, but I am not suprised

He has to get the conservative Dem vote. I was wondering why I hadn't seen him with Kerry or Gore (the "liberal" word). I wish this was handled better. :-(

[SouthernBelle82]

25. Which has surprised me

because Kerry got some good votes here (like 43% I believe) and Ford was apparently one of the firsts to publicly support Kerry in his 2004 race.

[wisteria]

5. It wasn't necessary for Ford to say this against Kerry.

It is not going to enhance his chances of winning. I don't know why we continue to try and pull a win out of the South right now? Many Southerners are brainwashed by the information they get from their church leaders and the Republicans have infiltrated the churches there. I lived down South for five years and I know the only thing these good people have as a social outlet is the Church they attend on Sundays and Wednesdays. I don't hold out to much hope for this seat. Ford was dealt a blow by that "call me" commercial. That put doubts in the minds of the voters about his family values and it gives them a good excuse to vote against him. Now they don't have to deal with the issue of race.

[ProSense]

8. So much for courage! Read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2919714&mesg_id=2919714

[Mass]

9. Do not expect courage. The problem here is stupidity.

Even if they ask for an apology (which I do not think Kerry should give),they have an opportunity to rebound on Iraq and do not use it.

[politicasista]

10. I am sick of hearing how the joke damages his chances for 08

I guess he'll be more careful about his humor in the future. :shrug:

[Mass]

11. Do not worry about that. These are supporters for other candidates.

[politicasista]

12. Cause they know he is still a threat

I am just disappointed in Harold Ford for not backing him up.:-(

[Firespirit]

14. No offense to you personally, but that is a BS line.

I'm sure you're well aware of that, of course.

If he announces for '08 soon after the election, you can bet that this will be dragged out. And discussed, truly discussed. And because it will be AFTER the election, there won't be any mealy mouthed Democrats who are terrified of their own shadow (what has the world come to? I'm quoting a Markos line repeatedly!). Right now the problem is that it's so close to the elections.

[politicasista]

15. It may be a BS line

but if he runs again, he is going to have to rebuild the relationship/bond with servicemen/women, veterans, and military familes that are mad at him over this. Even the Dems that he is raising money for 06 are turning on him.

[fedupinBushcountry]

16. Sorry but that is BS too

You are getting caught up in a spin, and you just happen to be in Harold Ford's part of the country. I'll tell you one thing, JK worked his ass off for Ford, and what does he do, instead of talking about the ISSUES, he calls on JK to apologize, tell me apologize for WHAT, because Bush said to I am tired of wimpy Dems who happens to have voted for torture, for the bankruptcy bill, said he would join the gang of 14, to fucking screw up the Senate even more. I'm sorry, but I am in no mood for whiney answers like yours.

I love ya sista, but this is politics and it ain't pretty, and if you are going with the spin, then you do not support JK 100%. I am a military family member, and my husband did not even here about this until I told him, and his response was, Bush sure has got the nerve to trash Kerry when he could give a shit about our troops. When he saw the tape of the interview, he said give em hell John. So don't catergorize, it not fair.

Excuse me but if some people are so dense that they don't see the truth, then they deserve what they get.

[politicasista]

17. I am not whining

I appreciate Kerry helping Harold, I do. I just tired of the 2008 talk and mad at him for not backing him up, but I'll leave now since I am not helping much. :(

[Democrafty]

18. Just recognize that their mission IS to make you feel this way. n/t

[ProSense]

21. Never give wingnuts an inch:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2920236&mesg_id=2920236


(meant to post to OP)

[wisteria]

28. I agree with you on Ford. He has distanced himself from JK this

whole election, while quietly taking his money and ours, now he comes out and does this? I e-mailed him and told him he should be ashamed of himself. Family values? He doesn't even support someone who is being smeared. I also don't understand why Clinton- the man who destroyed our chances or moral issues for many years to come, is permitted to campaign with Ford. Ford has been a disappointment to me all along. He has run the typical DLC campaign. Personally, I think his is done, unfortunately. The commercial with the hooker done him in because it gives the value votes an excuse not to vote for him, that they can say is legitimate and not based on race.

[Democrafty]

29. This is a good point.

I'm not mad at Ford because of what he said about JK, because, you know, whatever. But this is all adding up to kind of an inconsistent campaign, and it doesn't give me confidence in his (Ford's) choices.

[politicasista]

32. It's cause he knows how to win

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x110108

[SouthernBelle82]

26. I don't think so

My mother earlier this morning saw a soldier interviewed on some network (sorry I didn't ask which) and she said the soldier knew what Kerry was talking about. I don't think it'll have anything to do with 2008.

[beachmom]

19. Jon Tester, too

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aSkiYG2_QwvM&refer=us

[sandnsea]

20. Clinton with Ford today

I don't think it's an accident so many are turning against Kerry. Remember the attack on Howard in late 2003? That attack was meant to knock Dean out so Clark was clear for NH. It was never meant to benefit JK. Same as now. I would watch for fat campaign checks over the next days or even after the election to clear campaign debt.

[beachmom]

22. Whose campaign debt? Ford's? DSCC? n/t

[sandnsea]

30. Could be anybody's

We'll just have to watch and see.

This is how Howard Dean was knocked out the end of 2003. The media DID turn on him and there's only two people I've ever seen move the media that way, Bush and Clinton. The Kennedy's can't even move the media the way the Clintons can, I've got no idea why.

[SouthernBelle82]

23. Yes

One would think. But his comment was pretty brief and got back onto Iraq which is what the issue is about. I wish Ford wouldn't because Senator Kerry has helped his campaign out so much with fundraising. *Sigh*

[beachmom]

27. On reflection, I think I'll go easier on candidates, than those

not up for election. I don't like what Ford said, but I don't want to end up saying I won't cry if he loses like Kos did. Because I really do want him to be Bill Frist's replacement in the Senate. A Democratic Senate, where Kerry can do so much more. That's how I'm going to try to think of all of this.

[sandnsea]

31. Definitely cheering for him to win

We need the seat. But we shouldn't be oblivious to how the party responds to situations. There IS coordination, make no mistake.

[Mass]

33. Text of the interview he gave to Fox, where as a Christian, he forgives Kerry!!!

Well, I hope he wins because we need him, but except for that, he can cheney himself.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227080,00.html

[wisteria]

34. What? Oh brother. Kerry doesn't need to be forgiven. n/t

[politicasista]

35. I wish he would talk more about Iraq

Instead of letting Corker frame the debate on religion. It should be about Iraq, not gay marriage (which is on the ballot) and immigration. But of course, this is the Bible belt, so go figure.

[Democrafty]

36. I agree.

It's not a just war. It's not a Christian war. But I guess if TN isn't anti-war by now, they won't be on Tuesday.