Is anyone watching the HBO special on the '04 election?

[babylonsister]

Guess who's getting sandbagged again. :eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2555975&mesg_id=2555975

[wisteria]

1. Is this the one that highlight Rove? n/t

[babylonsister]

2. Diebold, Kerry, etc. nt

[sandnsea]

3. Two things

First of all, I remember when she founds those tapes. She was posting all over the place, it's okay to say the 'f' word. She had found evidence of fraud. Hallelujah!! (Give me money)

Then, she kept the tapes to herself, didn't turn them over to anybody, nothing criminal EVER happened with them that I know of. So I don't even know what in the hell the excitement was about.

Second, the vote switching with the memory card is very compelling. EXCEPT, we have ALL opti-scan in Oregon and what they really do is do a trial run to make sure the votes match the cards. So even though that is very disconcerting and needs further investigation, it does not automatically mean it's that easy to steal votes. It *could* be if there's no requirement of a trial run, it doesn't necessarily mean it happened.

[ProSense]

4. Sorry,

Bev Harris is a hack! She's still running around talking about tapes she found in the garbage that she couldn't or wouldn't produce for Kieth Olbermann. She was in Florida. From what I understand, Ohio didn't use Diebold machines. I believe the election was stolen and that machine fraud played a factor, but not just in Ohio. Conflating Harris' alleged evidence, Diebold and Ohio isn't proof of anything!

[fedupinBushcountry]

5. Yes, I watched

and I'll say this here and will not venture out to the it's all Kerry's fault venue.

I wish people would think before they go off the wall. Yes, I believe Kerry thought there was fraud, and that also he needed PROOF to make it so. At that time and not a year or more after, but by a certain date in January 2005 Kerry was hoping for a whistle blower, it was the only way that he could legally stand and contest the election.

He was looking and NO ONE came forward. If PROOF positive had come about before the official date January 6, Kerry would have immediately started action. Each state has different laws and each state has a Secretary of State that can determine those laws. As Kerry said in an interview on the Ed Schultz show, I need to find that, what he thought was wrong and should of been illegal was completely the opposite and stated that there was no law against some of what went on.

Also, even after all that was shown in this documentary, please tell me, where someone from Diebold and other companies have come forward and said yes here it is, here is how we did it and I can show you the facts the proof on that day in 2004. We knew that these machines could be tampered with before the election, and this administration and their FEC let the voting machine companies slide. I watched the hearings, and they let them continue with those machines.

This problem cannot be solved by one person, it has to be solved by we the people, state by state, precinct by precinct. Here I am in a red state with a Democrat as Gov. and this year for the first time I have to vote on Diebold, and the people running it are clueless.

After the election, I said there are two things that we have to change and that is the media and the way we vote. This will not be easy, but hopefully if we take over Congress we can finally start to making sure the voting system is addressed big time, now the media that will take even longer. It's hell living in this corporate America.