Excellent video - cowardly or dishonorable?

[MH1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBywaYuScCk

Personally, I think it goes a little too easy on her.

She didn't just hurt Kerry and help Bush, which is what the video focuses on. She hurt the Democratic Party in a BIG way.

That thought expanded: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2580999&mesg_id=2581513

But, this video is a good start.

[blm]

1. I don't know, I think it went too hard. But, maybe Hillary will adjust her tactic

and pull back from the blatant craven displays. Hopefully she can learn because most netroots saw what a horrid play it was on her part.

This became Hillary's BIG GAFFE. Siding with liars only helps with SOME of the same media working WITH those liars. Is that what Hillary really wants? Is that what her campaign really wants?

I don't think so. Maybe they'll have Hillary apologize to Kerry.

[ProSense]

2. Hard in context!

They allowed and participated in a RW attempted character assassination of Kerry over a statement that was made controversial simply because the RW said it was!

[blm]

5. True. I don't want to sound like a softie for Hillary, but I can also see how

such a biting commentary might force her to adjust her tactics, and I would be glad for that. I hate to see her blind ambition divide the party.

[Mass]

3. The question I would ask Hillary "What happened to the vast right-wing conspiration?"

[blm]

4. THAT'S a brilliant question to ask.

Guess she stopped believing in Vast RW conspiracies as long as it was against another Dem?

[sandnsea]

7. Hillary Apologize

Can we organize a netroots campaign?

[wisteria]

17. I am willing! n/t

[_dynamicdems]

6. Both. She knows better. This could only hurt other Democrats.

She doesn't have to worry because she's not in a tight race. Maybe she wants Democrats to lose a few more seats so she can blame Kerry and then try to use that as a rallying cry for 2008. I mean, if we take back both the House and Senate, there will not be the same fury on the part of the public to elect a Democrat to the White House. Just like in '04, Senator Clinton's interests are her own, not those of our country.

I'm sending this to everyone I know on November 8th.

[Firespirit]

8. She divided the party

I can excuse the Fords and Testers of the world. They're running tight races and said what they did on the spur of the moment, because time is of the essence with them. Not Hillary -- her response was calculated, calculated to destroy her principal rival. But it ended up dividing the party, because she failed to count on the blogosphere and his supporters to rally behind him and against HER.

Well done, Hill. Great idea, that. </sarcasm>

[blm]

9. I suppose a petition demanding she apologize for dividing Dems might be

in order, as sandnsea suggests above.

But, I think I'd rather she just reconsider her decision to make stupid gaffes herself in an effort to malign Kerry and any other candidate who gets in her way.

Have confidence in your DEBATING skills, Hillary and don't be so FEARFUL about being on stage with competent, qualified candidates.

[cadmium]

11. I hope this video stays up

I cant seem to register on youtube (problem with my email address). This should get recommendations.

[ProSense]

10. Any doubts?

Count me in the minority of Hillary-watchers, but I think Obama’s entry in the race is good for the erstwhile frontrunner, particularly if it becomes the occasion for her to bring expectations back to earth and run as a normal sized candidate.

There are two possibilities in a Clinton-Obama contest. One of course is that Hillary loses, in which case that is the best thing that could happen to Democrats; if she cannot defeat the first termer from Illinois, charismatic though he may be, then her negatives are too high among Democrats to risk among Republicans. She loses, we win.

If on the other hand her experience counts and the candidate who has been campaigning in New York is the one you see Tuesday night and the one who emerges in a closely fought and much watched primary campaign, then that Hillary Clinton can win the nomination and the election. The Hillary Clinton who has emerged in this campaign and as the successful senator from New York in the last six years is not a polarizing figure in that state but an overwhelmingly popular and moderate one, well-liked by urban, suburban and even rural voters.

She is relaxed, comfortable, and energetic, the opposite of the caricature she was six years ago, even there.

It will be a different kind of campaign than it would be without Obama, but Hillary needs that kind of campaign to accomplish that kind of transformation in the eyes of voters nationally. She needs more attention, not less. She needs to win, not slide, to the nomination. If she can’t beat Obama, it's best she doesn’t get it. If she does, she’ll be the stronger for it.

As has become so painfully apparent, beating John Kerry would signal nothing at all. The only question after this latest incident is whether, when the dust settles, he is a candidate at all in anyone's eyes but his own.

Hillary needs an opponent worthy of her, an opponent worthy of the race, so that she can accomplish in a year what it has taken her six years to do in New York.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227608,00.html

:grr:

[TayTay]

12. This would be the dream Faux race

This would be what they crave.

That doesn't mean it's what the people or regular Dems crave.

Nobody knows anything. It's all just punditry at this point. BTW, pundits are wrong more than they are right. Their fawning adoration of Bush after the Iraq invasion was enough to make anyone throw up. They were also not just wrong about the war and Bush, but horribly, terribly, incredibly wrong. They had their heads so far jup their butts all they could see was bullsh*t.

The pundits are paid by the word because it is cheaper than paying for investigative reporting. But that doesn't mean they know anything more than anyone else. They just know more people who say nothing and have a chance to spout off on TV and the radio.

Sigh! The media, at this point, wants Hillary and Obama to spar. It would make for great ratings. The people want to talk about Iraq and how to stop our kids from being maimed and killed in Iraq.

[beachmom]

13. A lot of people want Obama. Real people, not just the media.

I have heard them say it. I'm not disagreeing with everything you're saying, but the Obama phenomenon is very real. He is, however, an untested candidate.

[politicasista]

14. It is real

There were two Pro-Obama articles in an urban newspaper yesterday.

[wisteria]

19. He is the beneficiary of media hype and one good speech. It is all

manipulation. The media says he is good and the people believe it. Can he win is something else entirely.

[politicasista]

22. Good question.

Evidently the "Democrats" think that he is free of gaffes and the media loves him, so he can win. :sarcasm:

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. That doesn't matter.

It's 2006. I don't really give two shits who thinks what now or what the media says. It is beyond irrelevant who the flavor of the month is right now. Let's just take care of business on Tuesday and move on from there - all I know is that the political battlefield is littered with the bodies of those who underestimated John Kerry. If these fools think this stupidity is a knockout punch, then they have learned nothing about John Kerry.

[politicasista]

24. I was being sarcastic

I agree with you. We need to GOTV period. KG's post says it all.

[WildEyedLiberal]

25. yes GOTV is our #1 priority

All am I saying is don't worry about what "Dems" are saying or the pundits or the media. It is irrelevant. They've never given Kerry a shred of credit and I'd be surprised as hell if they ever do. So don't let that stress you out.

[politicasista]

26. Thanks WEL

Doesn't hurt to have a little postitive reinforcement before the battles ahead. :hi:

[kerrygoddess]

28. Yes GOTV is our #1 priority

Do It For JK! Plenty of time for the Hillary battle after the elction. The video is awesome and will come in handy later. But right now, the news will die down on this and we need to push to GOTV.

Thank you WEL.

[Inuca]

29. I agree BUT

there is something special about him, difficult to pinpoint, but something that I think makes him akin in spirit to JK, there was a discussion here about this a little while back, after he said that he is considering a run. I WANT JK in 08, but if that's not possible Obama is who I would personally feel most comfortable with. Whether he can win... is a completely different matter.

[wisteria]

18. And why is this fawning different then Gore. Obama is being media made

pushed right now and this is what people hear. Hey,they liked his speech because the media said they should. They like him right now because the media says so. Hard to disagree with someone who thinks he is a rising rock star and has a message of hope.

[Democrafty]

16. Oh, Susan Estrich is a moron.

It's Hillary's universe, Obama just lives in it?

Please.

[wisteria]

20. LOL, you have that right. n/t

[ProSense]

27. LOL! n/t

[ray of light]

15. Good video. Send it to Peter Daou. her "netroots' expert.

[wisteria]

21. Thats a good idea too. n/t