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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:08 AM
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Dissecting the Lamont Effort: David Sirota checks in
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 10:11 AM by TayTay
I have had my differences with David Sirota, but I do think that he has some interesting things to say about the modern Democratic Party. David worked for the late and much lamented Ned Lamont Campaign in Connecticut and posts the first "what went wrong" article here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/10/84727/659

Note who gets singled out as a stand-up guy here and those who did not offer to support the Democratic nominee for Senator in CT. Mark my words, this ain't over yet. Not by a long-shot.

Also, read this just for the tea leaves on who the Dem leadership has the knives out to gut and who they intend to promote. The world is a lonely place sometimes. And I don't trust Harry Reid as far as I can throw him.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:33 AM
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1. Sirota makes a point that needs to be made and that I do not hear, unfortunately.
At the beginning of this campaign, neither Schumer nor Emmanuel wanted to speak about the war. They were afraid it would backfire.

It took a few courageous people like Kerry, Clark, Cleland to raise the issue to this level of visibility and bring in candidates who had the profile necessary to do that. These people are the ones that are simply ignored right now, while Schumer and Emmanuel gets the congratulations.

They need to raise the issue. Politics is not a place for modest and timid people. The issue needs to be raised NOW and not later.

Tester was not a candidate that Schumer chose, neither was Webb. They got traction because of their stance on Iraq and both of them had candidates that were pushed by the party running against them in the primary, even if at the time of VA primary, Schumer and Reid had already seen the light.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:04 AM
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3. Exactly. That's why they want to take Kerry out now
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 11:05 AM by TayTay
Think about Kerry's issues this year. He was the one who forced the uncomfortable vote on Alito that the MSM spins to this day as a disaster. It was not a disaster, it was a Democrat standing up for principle. (Remember, the NYTimes Editorial asking for Senators with spine to oppose this awful and dangerous nominee? Who answered that call? Not the Senators from New York, who were afraid to come forward and stand for anything because it might be controversial and damage their chances in an election.)

Who had the strongest and most consistent opposition to the Bush Administrations conduct of the war in Iraq and who openly said that the it wasn't enough to say there was incompetence in running this war, it had to be acknowledged that the war itself, from the very beginning, was a mistake. (Ahm, wasn't the war a defining issue in this election?)

They are trying to take Kerry out before he can put forward any more idears that might make people like Clinton or Rahm Emmanuel see that they stand for nothing and are afraid of their own shadows. (Oh, and which Real Democrats actually backed Ned Lamont. Not Bill Clinton, not Barack Obama, not even Russ Feingold.)

Sigh! This is a knife fight of the worst kind.

NYTimes Editorial, lest we forget:

Senators in Need of a Spine
New York Times, (01-26-2006)


Judge Samuel Alito Jr., whose entire history suggests that he holds extreme views about the expansive powers of the presidency and the limited role of Congress, will almost certainly be a Supreme Court justice soon. His elevation will come courtesy of a president whose grandiose vision of his own powers threatens to undermine the nation's basic philosophy of government -- and a Senate that seems eager to cooperate by rolling over and playing dead.

It is hard to imagine a moment when it would be more appropriate for senators to fight for a principle. Even a losing battle would draw the public's attention to the import of this nomination.

Editorial says Senate filibuster would be preferable to allowing Samuel A Alito Jr to be confirmed to Supreme Court without a fight; says in addition to his opposition to abortion rights, his record shows he has elevated presidency over everything else, ignoring system of checks and balances

At the Judiciary Committee hearings, the judge followed the well-worn path to confirmation, which has the nominee offer up only the most boring statements and unarguable truisms: the president is not above the law; diversity in college student bodies is a good thing. But in what he has said in the past, and what he refused to say in the hearings, Judge Alito raised warning flags that, in the current political context, cannot simply be shrugged away with a promise to fight again another day.

The Alito nomination has been discussed largely in the context of his opposition to abortion rights, and if the hearings provided any serious insight at all into the nominee's intentions, it was that he has never changed his early convictions on that point. The judge -- who long maintained that Roe v. Wade should be overturned -- ignored all the efforts by the Judiciary Committee's chairman, Arlen Specter, to get him to provide some cover for pro-choice senators who wanted to support the nomination. As it stands, it is indefensible for Mr. Specter or any other senator who has promised constituents to protect a woman's right to an abortion to turn around and hand Judge Alito a potent vote to undermine or even end it.

But portraying the Alito nomination as just another volley in the culture wars vastly underestimates its significance. The judge's record strongly suggests that he is an eager lieutenant in the ranks of the conservative theorists who ignore our system of checks and balances, elevating the presidency over everything else. He has expressed little enthusiasm for restrictions on presidential power and has espoused the peculiar argument that a president's intent in signing a bill is just as important as the intent of Congress in writing it. This would be worrisome at any time, but it takes on far more significance now, when the Bush administration seems determined to use the cover of the "war on terror" and presidential privilege to ignore every restraint, from the Constitution to Congressional demands for information.

There was nothing that Judge Alito said in his hearings that gave any comfort to those of us who wonder whether the new Roberts court will follow precedent and continue to affirm, for instance, that a man the president labels an "unlawful enemy combatant" has the basic right to challenge the government's ability to hold him in detention forever without explanation. His much-quoted statement that the president is not above the law is meaningless unless he also believes that the law requires the chief executive to defer to Congress and the courts.

Judge Alito's refusal to even pretend to sound like a moderate was telling because it would have cost him so little. Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., who was far more skillful at appearing mainstream at the hearings, has already given indications that whatever he said about the limits of executive power when he was questioned by the Senate has little practical impact on how he will rule now that he has a lifetime appointment.

Senate Democrats, who presented a united front against the nomination of Judge Alito in the Judiciary Committee, seem unwilling to risk the public criticism that might come with a filibuster -- particularly since there is very little chance it would work. Judge Alito's supporters would almost certainly be able to muster the 60 senators necessary to put the nomination to a final vote.

A filibuster is a radical tool. It's easy to see why Democrats are frightened of it. But from our perspective, there are some things far more frightening. One of them is Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:21 PM
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7. This is ugly-no doubt. But, we need to take this on or we will lose
our party entirely to the DLC- Corps.. Already, we are being dismissed by the party and ignored or dismissed by the media, who, I would assume, has an interest in doing business with our oily pols..
I figured this is why they over did the flub.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:27 AM
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4. Speaking of that:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:24 PM
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8. Well, you should have heard Imus's take on this this morning and
a few comments coming from Anderson Cooper as well. There is an attempt to label us as losers and irrelevant.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:38 PM
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9. How did this go from a McGovern plan to end the war
to losers? How did Imus and Cooper make that leap?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:41 PM
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11. Oh, well,
What does McGovern represent in peoples minds. Anti- war freeks, hippies and a losing candidate
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:45 PM
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12. Who si pushing this meme
The War in Iraq was a defining issue in this election. The will of the people is to end this war with withdrawal plans.

Exactly who is putting forth this meme?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:53 PM
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13. I would say, based on my observations, that it is an effort by the Republicans,
the media and even some of our own. It is amazing how quickly the "blogging base" has been made to be far out there and that no one wants to just pull out our troops immediately. I even watched Dean the other night, when he was asked about the Democrat's plan on Iraq, claim we had adopted a Republican idea from a certain repub whose name I don't recall.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:40 PM
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14. This is normal after a win
Victory has a thousand fathers; defeat is an orphan.

We saw the defeat in 2004 being laid at John Kerry's feet and everyone pulling back and not taking any blame for not winning the election.

This is the other side of that. Everyone thinks they are the reason for the win. This is normal. It is every bit as meaningless as the other debate was. The win was because a coalition of interests came together, some because of hard work, some because of luck, some because the Rethugs have run their course and have pissed off the voters.

Everyone wants to be part of a winner. There is an enormous amount of power on the block and everyone for sure and certain wants a piece of that. And the '08 potentials want people to think that they own this win and that the aura of it will follow them into the next cycle.

As it was in the beginning, so it is now. (Well, that and everyone is still full of bullshit and nobody knows anything.)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:53 PM
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15. yeah, because they are still full of shit and in denial about what really
happened in 04. They still find it easy to just blame him.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:10 PM
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6. Absolutely right, they are stealing what aught to be our thunder and
Kerry's thunder and they are happy to accept the thank you's even though they aren't entitled to them entirely.
I have been screaming this over and over and can't understand why we are allowing them to take the credit. Why are the net roots not outraged over this? I just can't figure it out. Is it not wanting to give Kerry credit?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:57 PM
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16. We are getting credit with the netroots
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 01:58 PM by karynnj
but it is both more honest and better politicly to argue that both DEAN and Kerry were very important to the effort. Dean deserves the enormous credit that many are giving him. The fact that even a month ago, Emmanuel was going for his throat disputing the 50 state plan shows the risks Dean took. It is not just Kerry who is targetted and given less credit than deserved - Dean is treated everybit as badly.

He was 100% right when he said that we needed good candidates everywhere in case lightning struck. Kerry did a huge amount considering he did it with no natural platform to make a difference. He also gave Dean $1 million when he came in and tyhrough his email raised a second $1 million.

Shumer and Emanuel get credit because it was a huge win and they were nominally in charge. That they were in fact divisive is not remembered. They were lucky that Dean and Kerry and others were there.

I was being nice - until I saw this NYT Carville quote praising Mehlman.

"The praise from Mr. Romney was echoed in an unsolicited call from James Carville, a veteran Democratic operative who is married to Mary Matalin, a veteran Republican strategist.

“The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year,” Mr. Carville said, referring to the Democratic National Committee.

He said Democrats succeeded because the party’s House and Senate campaign committees compensated for what Mr. Carville described as the shortcomings of the Democratic National Committee, allowing the party to take advantage of a wave of voter resentment directed at Republicans.

“When one of these things hit, it doesn’t matter who the party chairman is,” he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/us/politics/10mehlman.html

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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:43 AM
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2. Look, how many people feel that Reid, Shumer, and Emanual
lost it for the party because they DIDN"T support Lamont?

They played the incumbancy protection card. They didn't care about grassroots that were 100% behind Lamont. Had they not given the finger to the winner of the Democratic primary, then maybe Lamont would have won!

They protected Lieberman!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:05 PM
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5. We are learning. You can not trust your own party leaders to
do what we feel is the right thing to do. It is, sadly all about power- even in our party. We can do good things with this power but more times than not, I think it comes down to individuals power and an attitude of, what is in it for me.
I don't like and I don't trust Schumer, he is an oily pol, so is Reid. Schumer has a more difficult time hiding it than Reid does, but it isn't all about the "people" as much as it is all about them.

There is no point getting angry, it doesn't change anything. What we need to do is out smart them.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:39 PM
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10. I posted this in GD
Dunno if it was already there or not, but this Sirota makes an important point.
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