WTF is this about?

[rox63]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2718337

[ProSense]

1. "We obviously don't know what Schumer said, but..."

Well, let's just start a rumor! These people are ridiculous!

[Island Blue]

5. Ridiculous is right.

I'm no big fan of Schumer but for all we know, he was saying to Kerry "Wait here. After this photo-op of the new leadership walking down the hall to prove we can do so without falling, we'll all go over to the White House and moon George Bush."

[_dynamicdems]

31. I'm not convinced they were being all that altruistic.

That photo of Kerry where he's in the background trying to sneak away (apparently after WHATEVER was said) makes me feel rather unkindly toward Schumer AND Reid. Rather!

[beachmom]

2. That's good that greasy politicians like Schumer and Reid

don't like Kerry.

Something about this reminds me of high school. I think Kerry may have had a few of these types of experiences in high school. But he knows what his job is, and I assume let's all of this petty B.S. roll off of him.

[whometense]

3. That picture

makes me want to cry. Nice that the people at TNR and The Corner are having so much fun with it.

Kerry can take it, but I sure would have liked to think that the leaders of the U.S. Senate had a maturity level somewhat higher than your average seventh grader.

[ProSense]

4. Actually, that one was

probably just a photo op for the leadership.

[karynnj]

6. Did any one try to respond, I did but they didn't take my post

which was:

If this is true Schumer has absolutely no class. John Kerry is not only a war hero, but the man the majority of Democrats chose as their leader. No one other than the people in NY chose Shumer.

John Kerry also did more to keep people involved after the defeat in 2004 than anyone else. I know several people other than myself who became more involved than we ever were before due to John Kerry's plea to stay involved.

The main issues in this election were corruption and Iraq. On Iraq, it is Kerry, not Schumer, who was a leading voice. Many Republicans, Democrats and pundits are now saying, as John Kerry said in April, that a deadline is needed to make the Iraqis stop feuding and get their country together.

"Whether given credit or not, it was Senator Kerry who led on this at a point where the esteemed leadership preferred staying silent. Senator Kerry was fight when he said that it would be wrong to stay silent when soldiers were dying for a failed policy. That is true morality - not calculating the electoral cost. There would have been no Democratic amendment if not for Senator Kerry. Would the gains have been as high if the contrast between the parties on Iraq were less defined?

Also, today General Pace essentially acknowledged that the means of dealing with terrorism that Senator Kerry defined in 2004 is correct and their current plan. Need I mention he was right on Afghanistan.

So, Shumer can fume about a smear of a distorted joke - but he has contributed far less statesmanship to this country than Kerry did by age 27. He will never compete as a hero, person or politician. "

[wisteria]

8. I commented at the ABC site.

Again, much ado about nothing.

[TayTay]

9. So did I

I called them childish.

[wisteria]

10. I told them to grow up. n/t

[karynnj]

11. I only see the one comment - am I doing something wrong.

[wisteria]

12. There is only one comment on the ABC site showing right now.

My guess is they screen them first before posting them.

[Island Blue]

14. I tried to post a comment too

but the "code" that had to be typed in order to post was so unclear that I'm not sure that I typed it in correctly. It will be interesting to see if any of our comments show up any time soon.

[TayTay]

7. This is moronic

I posted this in reply:

Ahm, Sen. Kerry has a Chairmanship. (In fact, he has a bunch of sub-committee chairmanships as well.) Ahm, he's not going to be in the Dem leadership because the tasks are divvied up. He is a Committee Chair fer krisp sakes.

What a bunch of morons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2718337&mesg_id=2718964

[JI7]

13. i'm guessing it was about getting pics of the top Senate people

i don't really ahve a problem with it.

but i'm getting tired of jerkoff Schumer and the way he treats Kerry. this isn't much. but it doesn't help that he brushed off Kerry when he asked for help for Lamont. and going on some show and laughing about how he told Kerry not to say anything anymore.

fucking douchebag.

[rockymountaindem]

15. It seems to me that the "botched joke" has really hurt Kerry around DU

Seeing as how a lot of people think they are consummate political analysts, they appear desperate to buy into the "conventional wisdom" that Kerry now has no future. I had detected a bit of a warming trend to Kerry around here over the past year, but lately all discussion about him seems to get shot down over the joke issue. This of course spreads into other forms, like the one we see mentioned in the OP.

It's quite troubling to me. I just don't get why fellow Dems would do this. Oh wait, yes I do...

[Mass]

17. No, it is the same ones who did not like Kerry before. The Hillary lovers in particular.

The ones who are raising a fuss on this story are Hillary's lovers. Amusing indeed.

[rockymountaindem]

20. It seemed to me more widespread than that

But I will defer to your knowledge of the situation as you probably keep better track of it than I do. Like I said in the other thread, I'm just going with my gut on this one.

[JI7]

21. true, but it may have to do with the Primary season starting up also

even without the gaffe, it was going to start getting nasty.

[rockymountaindem]

24. Well, I'm ready to throw down

But I'll try to keep it clean for as long as possible. I will also never attack Wes Clark or Al Gore, should they throw their hats into the ring. Should any conflict between them and Kerry arise, I'll just stick to saying nice things about Sen. Kerry.

[politicasista]

26. Me too

And I like Gore and Clark. :)

[rockymountaindem]

27. I've still got my Kerry button on my backpack

It's a way of signalling to the Canadians that I'm "one of the good ones". Not too many fans of the Republicans at Canadian universities, apparently :)

[JI7]

28. it would be a good thing if Clark or Gore got into the race

as it would provide us with more people who know the issues and can discuss and debate them in depth.

[rockymountaindem]

30. Yes although some Clarkies can be very abrasive

I don't let that reflect on Clark, though. He's way more civil than some of his partisans (who shall go unnamed).

[karynnj]

19. I think it simply reflects that neither the media or the party

leaders want Kerry. If he is to win, it will be as an outsider insurgent - which is not all that different than last time. They accepted him only when they had no choice as he was going to be the nominee.

It hurts that they then gave him very little support. I really don't get the huge amount of support for Clinton after he acted in a disgusting manner, lied to his cabinet for 6 months and left a legacy that allowed the party to be painted as immoral and the lack of support for a genuine hero.

[fedupinBushcountry]

22. And

loves the Bushes. Did you here Dubya calling him his 4th brother at the MLK Jr. ground breaking ? I hope that little remark is repeated, thats what he gets for his pandering with the enemy.

[beachmom]

23. What???? W called Bill Clinton his 4th brother? Good God.

Actually, this is one area where I think of Bill as emotionally vulnerable. That family is giving him something, and if the country all goes to hell, the most important thing is that HE is happy.

[fedupinBushcountry]

25. OMG, is right

when I heard it, and in front of the crowd , I just said serves you right Billo.

[Island Blue]

34. Numb-skull & Boner

I gotta say, I find their relationship very unsettling in light of the fact that there members of BOTH families who have ambitions to be POTUS.

[Blaukraut]

35. I like that caption!

And you're right; their relationship is disturbing on so many levels. How deeply entangled ARE the Bushes and Clintons, really? And to what levels will they go to get Hillary nominated?

[ginnyinWI]

29. Kerry is the current comic relief, it would seem.

ABC wants to pick on somebody. Another envious guy, perhaps? Must be contagious. Hah. I guess it will take a while for them to get sick of it and move on to the next victim. I've got an idea for them: how about having some fun with Rove's stupid blunders during the last two years? Sam Seder had a lot of fun with them this morning.

[wisteria]

33. It's all about money and influence. n/t

[Mass]

16. My answer here -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2718337&mesg_id=2719991

[BlueIris]

18. Best I can tell--more fodder for DU Kerry hate-mongers.

Have they gotten to the Skull & Bones references yet?

[Mass]

32. All it shows are the poor leadership qualities Schumer has always shown.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/health/16016523.htm

He has a big ego and wants to be the center of things (and potentially the next Democratic leader, I imagine).

He is going to create another story on how the forum is divided, when it would take very little to show there is no there there. So, even if Schumer has issues with Kerry, it is not good to air them out.