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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:54 PM
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Well, it's becoming obvious to more that Clintons and Carville are targetting Dems
who aren't carrying their water for them.

Kerry, Murtha, now Dean - and who's to say Feingold wasn't warned about running?

This all really stinks and it all comes down to one thing - Democrats covering up for BushInc by targetting the anti-corruption, open government Democrats who would open the books and expose them all.

Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:30 PM
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1. Two things:
Everyone will be scrutinized: Obama, here, here and here.

Bloggers: Clinton sucking up to bloggers after McCurry dissed the netroots, Poppy dissing bloggers and Clinton blogger guests expressing themselves about Carville, here, here and here.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:24 PM
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2. Obama is lucky he is a media favorite
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 08:25 PM by karynnj
WEL can tell you that this sounds like typical Chicago deal making and it is suspicious. Clearly at minimum, this guy's wife bought the property because the owner wanted them sold together. There is no way this was simple coincidence - and Obama admits speaking to him.

So, there was some benefit. That Obama later bought more land - is dumb - the first connection already looked bad. To have a second deal with him was beyond stupid.

I assume that Hillary's cattle futures deal was worse - but I wouldn't wnat to even think of the Boston Globe article that would result if Kerry did either of these things. (I mean that would be almost as bad as sleeping on friends' sofas.)
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:40 PM
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3. thanks especially for that firedoglake link --
Jane Hamsher really hits the nail on the head, in no uncertain terms.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 09:54 AM
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4. I am tired of naive DUers thinking that Carville's BS is only about his wife
Matalin is increasingly being cast as the sole reason why Carville is trashing Dean, and that Carville is some sort of Republican mole. He's nothing of the sort. He's a Hillary enabler.

My opinion of her has really sunk over the course of this year. Her backers are not interested in touting HER strengths, just tearing down the people who stand in her way and filling up the party with her supporters. She never does her own dirty work. Even when she attacked Kerry over the joke, she was merely adding to the existing right-wing chorus. She would never have done that if there hadn't already been a buzz, because she doesn't have the courage to. I would have more use for her if she had the metaphorical balls to do her OWN sliming and deck-stacking, instead of using proxies or adding to an existing chorus. She's not even doing what she's supposed to do if she wants to run for president. She hasn't visited Iowa or New Hampshire at ALL -- not ONCE. I don't buy the excuse that she had a Senate campaign this cycle. I think it's just arrogance -- she thinks she can get the nomination without doing her homework, but by stacking the party with her backers.

I want to nail her so badly now. She is making a lot of enemies.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:19 AM
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5. I agree totally. But strengths? She has no strengths, that is why they
are aligning things up as they are. It's going to be about smears, money, dominant media time and manipulation, bombardment of advertising and commercials and President Clinton to clinch the deal.
(I have been watching CNN lately and I would almost wager a bet something has transpired there between the Clinton's and the stations political team.)
It all makes me very angry. I want to be able to do more than just not vote for her. It isn't even a matter of party loyalty any longer.She is bad news for this country.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:35 AM
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7. sign me up, too
I agree with all of this. . . especially the last two sentences.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:41 AM
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8. I've had it with the lot
This makes me sad, in a way. I used to have so much respect for Hillary as a strong female role model, and although I was never that taken with Bill, I would defend him against the unfair right-wing smears.

They've both managed to destroy all their goodwill that they once had with me.

Some people are arguing that Carville can't be doing this stuff for Hillary because "it doesn't benefit Hillary to have a divided party." Well, only now do I realize that the Carvilles of the world didn't really give a damn about the party in the 1990s. The Clintons stayed popular, but the party suffered badly. 1994 was an unmitigated disaster. 1996, we took back a few seats we'd lost, as well as in 1998. However, the focus of the Clintons' strategists was to defend the Clintons themselves, and as a result, the right-wing memes about the Democratic Party took hold. "Can't manage national security." "Will say anything to get elected." "Immoral, Hollywood values." "Weak and spineless."

I will be the first to say that Gore ran a very poor campaign, made a horrific choice of VP, had to deal with the Nader problem, and had the presidency stolen out from under him. However, the memes from the Clinton era were still in full force, and they hurt him. 2002 and 2004, we know what happened -- the memes about national security and saying anything for politics played a huge role. Only now have they apparently been successfully thrown off.

Of COURSE the Clinton people will screw over the party in order to pack it with their own people. They allowed it to happen throughout their entire term of office.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:33 AM
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6. Sign me up.
She's made an enemy of me. I now see her as a bully and a coward - something I never would have said a year ago.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:48 AM
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9. Remembering all Senator Kerry's comments
about how much he learned by being out among regular people, this shows Hillary's arrogance. She had that in 1993 too - where she was reluctant to even disclose who she met with in creating her legislation on health care. When she presented it to the Senate, she did it as a fete accompli. Certainly there were people like Ted Kennedy who could have given her a lot of advise - both on the bill and on how the Senate works.

If the rumors that Vilsack is essentially a Hillary stalking horse is true and NH is her first state, I hope the independent Democrats in NH give her a big surprise. They may not appreciate that she CAN'T CONNECT with them unlike winners in the past. I assume that many of the most active NH Democrats follow even this early pre-primary very carefully. From what has been written here there is affection for Kerry as a person, if this is so, that action may tip the balance for some people against her.

Conventional wisdom has always been that America will not elect someone they dislike, though Nixon's election challanges that. In 2004, there was a need to paint Kerry as aloof to make him less attractive. The Clintons though are showing a mean side that didn't show in 1992. I found Clinton's stabbing his fingers in Wallace's face far more disgusting than Kerry flubbing a joke. Even in his anger responding against the distortion, Kerry had a quiet dignity and sadness when he said McCain knew better. The question is whether the media will cover for the Clintons as they did for the Bushes.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:33 AM
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11. I would count on a lot of media support for the Clinton's. n/t
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:31 AM
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10. good news from Hotline
Edited on Thu Nov-16-06 11:31 AM by whometense
Dean and Emuanel kiss and make up. Fowler slaps Carville.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/11/carvilles_still.html

November 16, 2006
Carville's Still On A Tear, But Rahm and Dean Will Bury The Hatchet

As James Carville continues his crusade to oust Howard Dean as DNC chair, DCCC chair Rahm Emanuel wants to concilliate.

According to sources in the DNC and DCCC, Emuanel called Dean this morning to distance himself from the tone and general tenor of Carville's remarks. In a short conversation, Emanuel acknowledged that he shared some of Carville's opinions about the DNC's priorities but said he did not share Carville's wish that Dean ought to be ousted as DNC chair.

Dean called Emanuel on election night, and the two had a friendly conversation, according to sources affiliated with both men.

When their schedules permit, Dean and Emanuel will meet privately to discuss their plans for the 2008 cycle. Both sides hope to reach, in advance, an understanding about how the Democratic party committees will fund state parties and candidate committees.

After the private meeting, the two will likely take their rapprochement public.

Meanwhile, current DNC member/ex-DNC chair Don Fowler e-mailed members of the DNC his response to Carville.

"Some ill-advised voices have suggested that, because of his 50-state strategy, Governor Dean should be replaced as Chair of the DNC," Fowler wrote in the e-mail.

"This is nonsense. The 50-state strategy is exactly what the Democratic Party needed and continues to need. Why do the Washington people think that they have a special prerogative to dictate what the Democratic Party needs? I hope that all DNC members will join me in rejecting this foolishness--from whatever source it came."

"Democrats won a great victory on November 7--control of the United States House of Representatives, control of the United States Senate, majority of Governors, and majority of state legislative bodies. Why should anyone want to mess with the team that won these remarkable results? Governor Dean deserves to continue as DNC Chair."

Posted at 10:44 AM


Excellent.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:46 AM
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12. Your right, excellent. We need to come together. We need both the
DNC approach and the DCCC approach to win.
I particularly like Fowler's comments about "Washington" people.

Carville calling us a cult shows how much he understands about what the Democratic Party is suppose to stand for.
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