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dwahzon Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:13 AM
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Help formulate a response for a JK friend
I got this in an email today from a friend and thought I'd solicit some advice from the experts.

You know how much I admire Senator Kerry, but one problem I run into when I talk to others about him is their nearly universal reply that "his time has come and gone." That is a very hard position to try and persuade others from abandoning. I do remind them that three years ago, JK's predictions have all come true and his solutions now are the ones that the country is considering, but I have a hard time convincing others not to rule him out as a President. Any thoughts?


What shall I tell my friend?

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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:52 AM
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1. that (#1) the Dem Party loses big time
by running away from any of their nominees that don't win. It's just NUTS. Why throw away the experience and wisdom of these people??
And then start the next cycle with someone who knows nothing about the process and has to learn the political and strategic lessons all over again?
The most pathological symptom I've seen of this bizarre thinking is the notion that the best candidate for president is someone who hasn't been in congress, or is new to politics, because then they have no voting record that can be criticized. HUH?? We want a zero for president? Sorry, we've done that a couple of times now, and surely the problems with this approach should be obvious by now.
I'm pretty much a yellow-dog democrat, but, boy,am I ever frustrated with my party's stupidity in this dept. John Kerry ran a valiant fight in 2004, John Kerry is , IMO, the best our party and our country has to offer the world, and we should be honoring him and defending him and encouraging him to run again.
God, I'm tired of the Democratic squabbling and infighting. (Carville's latest, and all that went with it, was the last straw for me).
(#2) IMHO, Kerry won in 2004 anyway
(#3) It IS John Kerry's time. Even in 2004, it was obvious that this man was ready to step into the Oval Office on day 1, and do the job. Do the job RIGHT. Because he had, and has, the depth, experience, intelligence, guts, integrity , commitment, and moral courage to be a great president. And he still keeps growing! Point your friend to any of his recent speeches, most of which are available on johnkerry.com. This is a man on fire, this is a man coming into his own, this is a man speaking his truth, this is a man who will bring change to our country and our world. We need him more than ever. We've got serious, grown-up problems, and we need a serious, grown-up man to solve them. We need a grown-up for president. We need John Kerry.
(#4) People need to speak up!! Since 1980, Dems have been cowering from the Republican far-right agenda, apologizing for everything they do. The Democratic party has been in this insecure mode for 26 years now (yes, even during the Clinton administration), which is the reason they run away from their candidates: with a qurter-century of losses in congress and/or the White House, they no longer trust their own judgment, and, thus are swayed WAY too much by what they perceive to be the center of power and/or money (Exhibit A: the conventional-wisdom "support" for Hillary, which I believe is shallow , at best, and not thought-through, at worst; I personally believe that she would be a disastrous presidential candidate. Exhibit B: the cowardly Dems in congress) and/or the latest media sensation ( Exhibit A: Obama-mania. I like Obama, but (a) he's not ready to be president (I mean, not even close), and (b) the hype is WAY out of proportion to who he is right now.) , or by the criteria set by the MSM on who would be a "fun" candidate. Also, along with all this, the Dems have been placing WAY too much weight on issues of who makes a strong candidate vs. who wold be a great president. Well, we've got to help them see the obvious. If you admire Sen. Kerry, SAY so. Tell people. Make them realize how much support and admiration he has all across the country.
At a party for Democratic activists last New Year's, people were spouting the usual speculation about who the next 2008 presidential nominee should be. When I said, flat out, that Kerry was still my guy, the man next to me burst into a broad smile: it was like I LIBERATED him to admit that Kerry was still his favorite. Just recently, the same man, a long-time local Dem operative, said that he'd been telling the Dems for years that they made a big mistake in tossing losing candidates, neither having the wisdom to run distinguished people again, nor even to learn from those candidates' accumulated wisdom.



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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:34 AM
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3. Great & passionate arguments
And all valid, of course. In the grown-up department, it may be worth reminding people of the consequences of NOT having a grown-up in the White House, nasty and vicious too boot.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:53 AM
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5. I agree with MBS completely
especially this piece of advice:
" Point your friend to any of his recent speeches, most of which are available on johnkerry.com. This is a man on fire, this is a man coming into his own, this is a man speaking his truth, this is a man who will bring change to our country and our world. We need him more than ever. We've got serious, grown-up problems, and we need a serious, grown-up man to solve them. We need a grown-up for president. We need John Kerry."

That captures the case for Kerry:
- He has good, comprehensive answers on all key big issues - unlike other potential candidates.
- He has a thoughtful, creative approach to problems - he is confident enough in his ability to make decisions while insisting that informations from all sides is in front of everyone. In addition to Kerry's speeches, suggest reading the Woodward article on how he would have dealt with the issues Bush faced. http://www.johnkerry.com/news/articles/newsarticle.html?id=29 Kerry has the confidence to run an open administration.
- He has a track record for doing the right thing - even when politicly it isn't the easiest thing to do. When he says he will not lie to us, he is believable. With others, I can see they might convince themselves that they are lying for the good of the country - when it is really to avoid embarassment.

Good Positions, Exceptional character, and the humility to listen to and respect others. TOn important things, it means more of the potential plus and minuses will surface and be evaluated. Kerry's calm non-vindictive personality would allow fuller discussions as dissenters could make their case without thinking they would be excluded for life from future meetings.

His patience and kindness also could make people he deals with feel better about themselves - which is a long term plus. Although it had no political or policy aspect, I was struck by the way Kerry spoke to a pretty obnoxious guy in Morristown, NJ eventually drawing out that the rude, socially inept guy had participated in many Habitat for humanity projects including one on Cape Cod. I can't imagine another politician taking the time to speak to him - and it ended in everyone feeling good.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:04 AM
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2. Some of our best Presidents have lost races and come back to win
it is a sure sign of a leader when he doesn't quit when things get tuff.
Senator Kerry is still has it right- leading the pack on Iraq and national security issues.
If your friend wants to see a real change in Washington, than Kerry is the guy to go with. He will certainly shake up the status quo and conduct the government for the people.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:46 AM
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4. you bet
Of all the things I admire about Sen. Kerry, it's his perserverence that impresses me the most. That time before Iowa, 3 years ago, when everyone had written him off, and he just kept going, and he got the job done. You want courage? You want toughness? THERE it is.

(By the way, as a friend reminded me, he won in Iowa for all the right, traditional reasons. He reached out to people, he ewas great one-on-one with voters, and he had a great ground campaign. For those who have now decided that JK ran a "poor campaign" in 2004 (in contradiction to earlier, and more accurate, conventional wisdom that he ran a valiant campaign, against the odds), it's probably worth reminding people that he won the Iowa caucuses in 2004, despite media predictions, because he was good, because Iowa Democrats recognized he was good, and because he ran a great campaign there).
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:02 AM
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6. Ask your friend whose time has come and gone
Ask them about the soldiers who are on their third or even fourth deployment to Iraq and about what that has done to the US Military, to the soldiers and to their families at home.

Ask your friend if the soldiers' time has come and gone. Ask your friend if the time to advocate for these 'heroes' to come home because they have 'done their jobs' is a topic of the past or something we as a nation need to deal with to move into the future. Ask your friend if taking care of the medical and mental health needs of these brave people is something that can be discarded like yesterday's newspaper or if we need to deal with this now and in the future? Then ask who is addressing this need and who has never stopped addressing it, since 11/04.

Ask your friend if the needs of the people of New Orleans have come and gone. Does Congress need to hold hearings to find out why the money allocated to rebuild that great American city went to companies associated with the President and well-connected Republicans? Does the Congress need to press the Small Business Administration to get some help so that New Orleans and other small businesses in the Gulf area can get back on their feet? Has the time to express anger and outrage over how the government treats it's people after disaster hits and people are at their most vulnerable really come and gone?

John Kerry at the SBA hearing Nov. 05:

Sen Kerry gestures to Sen. Snowe: "You and I have worked diligently with this committee to get an emergency hurricane response. It passed the United States Senate 96-0. It's been sitting in limbo between the House and the Senate and just last Friday it was cut out of the CJS, cut out of the CJS conference by the Republicans. It has an emergency response, emergency lending. It has what we need and was cut by the Republicans. I just want to make that absolutely clear. I raised this issue with Sen. Frist on the floor last week and we get this talk about how we are going to look around. It's all politics. Politics as usual in Washington DC is screwing a lot of Americans. And they deserve better."


Has the demand for Supreme Court judges that follow the Constitution and believe in the civil rights of the citizens and not absolute power for a President to do what he wants, whether legal or not, come and gone? (There was this filibuster last year. A lot of Dems figured that it was a waste of time and would annoy the voters if the Democrats made a fuss about requiring Supreme Court Justices who would uphold the Rule of Law for all citizens, including the President. A few Dems disagreed, publicly and took the heat for it, publicly.)

Has the time to talk about the environment, health care, pensions, jobs and a fair tax code that actually helps the struggling middle class come and gone too? That is what Sen. Kerry has been speaking out on since the loss in Nov of 04. That is what he sees as the issues going forward into '08 and beyond. I don't think the time to talk about these things has come and gone at all. I certainly don't think the time for the courageous people who stick their necks out to demand that these things get talked about, even if it rocks the boat, has come and gone at all. In fact, it is just beginning.
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dwahzon Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:08 AM
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7. Okay - thanks but
remember I'm not trying to convince him - he's already convinced. What he's asking for is a short verbal response that he can use when someone he's talking with pooh-pooh's JK as a viable 2008 candidate.

What do you *say* (as opposed to type) when someone writes JK off?

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:12 AM
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8. Same thing
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 10:28 AM by TayTay
Verbal speech is particular to the person. Why are they still there with Sen. Kerry? Use that.

(Not getting what you mean here. Because he is still there fighting for the causes that need to be fought for is a good reason.)
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dwahzon Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:35 AM
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9. Looking for a good 1- or 2-line response
Something that has worked well for others in similar situations. Of course, he'll adapt to his own particular language style.

Another way of saying what's your 30-second elevator response for that question?

It's common in sales to share responses that have worked particularly well in response to specific objections, something that gets the objector to stop in their tracks and change their frame, their way of thinking about something.

Not looking for a long list of whys but a short, verbal statement.



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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:42 AM
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11. What comes first to your friends mind
when the question is asked? Why is your friend still there? What issues or situations still keep him/her there?

Iraq? Iraq is an ongoing problem. No one else has been a stronger voice on why we need to get out or carries the moral authority to force the national dialogue.

That works for me.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:46 AM
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12. Ask them what they want to see in the President
If the people your friend talks to are on board with JK's positions, and like him as a person but don't want to support him in another run, ask them what it is that they're looking for in their candidate.

"Electability" or some variant of "he lost once and can't win now" -- tell them that Bush was at 51% approval and the Republican Party was headed for a near sweep of federal races. The climate is completely different now.

"Fresh face" -- tell them that people want someone who has a record of dealing with major problems, not a political neophyte.

"He only gets one shot at it" -- put them on the spot. Ask them, "So if you agree more with his positions than anyone else's, like him as a person better, agree that he would be the best president, you'd pick someone else JUST BECAUSE 'he had his one chance'? Why would you base your vote on that?"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:22 PM
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18. In 2004,
Americans gave the worse president in history another shot. We can at least give the person whose insights have proven right time and again---whose bold initiatives cover everything from accountability to fighting corruption to energy independence to healthcare for all to national security to figthing the war on terror---a chance to change the direction of this country for the better!


The media played a role in the 2004 elections and look where it got us. Don't let the media spin determine the outcome of an election again!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:13 PM
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20. I would just say:
"He's still the best person for the job. Period."

Nothing that has happened since 2004 has changed that one bit--except maybe to make him even more qualified than he was then--because he just keeps on learning and growing.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:01 AM
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14. They will have a choice - side with those who will certainly COVERUP for BushInc
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 11:03 AM by blm
or side with an anti-corruption, open government Democrat.

Most voters in 06 exit polls declared that corruption was a main issue for them. Why would Dems try and stop the best anticorruption Democrat they have ever produced?

THESE ARE THE STAKES IN 2008:

The author is allowing this article to be reprinted in full.


Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:41 AM
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10. Truth be told
His "time" actually hasn't come yet. He never got the respect from the party that he deserved, not in 2004 and not since. This is a rare opportunity for a much needed 'do over' and I think America should take it.
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:57 AM
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13. I'm inclined to say,
"We've had a policy of nondiplomacy. Has it worked?"

"We've had a time of lies and war. Isn't it time to end?"

"We've had a time of corruption and p-offs by lobbyests. Isn't it time to end? John Kerry stood the test of time against both of those things. 20 years in the Senate and he's not been bought by any corporation."

"We've had a time of hearacy and hypocrites--people who say they're moral but behave opposite. Isn't it time to end that? John Kerry may not shout his religion or his integrity from the rooftops, but if you take the time to look, you see it in every groove on his face and every emotion in his eyes."

Something like that.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:08 AM
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15. That is powerful, Nolies
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:15 AM
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16. It would be much better than my inperson stuff
I would say to a friend, so do you go out and get a new (mother, husband, friend, brother, etc) every time you have a disagreement and say, well, nice try but it didn't work out and I need a change. (Cuz this is what I actually did say. That is possible in inperson speech.)

Geez, great house, but I don't like the color of the third floor bedroom. Whoop, time to move.

I mean, this is, at it's heart, a silly argument. People aren't disposable because they didn't succeed the first time. You don't end a friendship, marriage, partnership, whatever because, 'oops, there was a time limit and it ran out. Nice try, but NEXT!' Presidential candidates are not like milk in the fridge that has an expiration date on it. You'd don't read the label and go, "Oh Kerry, he expired in 2004, better get a new one." It's a silly argument. If you start disposing of people like that, it will only come back and bite you in the ass.
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StoryTeller Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:23 AM
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17. This is what I'm starting to tell people...
When I get the "need a fresh face" or "he had his chance" memes, I'm starting to say the following:

No, what we NEED is a president with integrity and experience and good ideas. I'm sick of us acting like the presidential races are a TV reality show. This is the future of our country, not pop entertainment. You go study up on John Kerry--compare him to the other options. If you can find someone who is more qualified, has more integrity, and more experience, and better solutions for the country, then vote for them. If not, then I would hope that you would support Kerry.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:36 PM
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19. Nice. n/t
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:41 PM
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21. just read all the responses
They're all wonderful! Another thing about Kerry: he has the BEST, smartest, classiest supporters of anyone!
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:22 AM
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22. Give them an example of a Democrat who lost in 2004 and ran again in 2006 (and won).
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 12:25 AM by _dynamicdems
In NH, Paul Hodes was just elected to Congress beating Charlie Bass. It was his second attempt to unseat Bass. By the time the Democratic primary came about, nearly all competition had dropped out because Hodes was so strong. The feeling in the NH Democratic Party was that Hodes came so close last time that he was going to go all the way this time. They were right.

You can also use the Olympics as an example. Many olympians get the bronze or silver before they win the gold. Would anyone call a Silver Medal winner washed up because they didn't bring home the gold the first time out? Who would dare tell a Silver Medal winner to back off from the next Olympics to let a new face have a shot? In anything other than national Democratic politics arguing, against trying again after a near win would be considered ridiculous.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:39 AM
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23. My 2 cents
He had his chance? Then say to them,Yeah well then I hope you gave it up for your favorite athlete after he/she as 1 member of a team, struck out, missed the goal, fumbled the ball, was off by a second at the finish line, etc.

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