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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 02:20 PM
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Joe Klein mumbles withdrawal

JOE KLEIN "EMBRACES DEFEAT," CALLS FOR WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ.

At least, that's what it seems like Joe Klein has now done. Check out these passages buried in his latest column just posted on Time magazine's site:

And so we have reached the point where there is only one meaningful decision left for George W. Bush in Iraq: what to do with our troops there....

Now, finally, the uniformed brass seem poised to speak more candidly. But that doesn't make a military solution to this disaster any more plausible. "You know, we're trained to complete the mission," a senior military officer told me. "And that's our reflex reaction, to come up with a can-do plan—'Here's how you fix it, sir!' But we may lack perspective now. The situation may be reaching the point of no return." Indeed, the best advice for the military to give the President at this point may not be how to "win" in Iraq—but how to withdraw creatively, how to limit Iran's influence in the Shi'ite regions of the south, how to keep special-operations and quick-strike units based in the region, poised to attack al-Qaeda operations on a regular basis. The United States has lost the war in Iraq, but the "long war" against Islamist extremism will surely continue. The most pressing issue now is how not to lose the battles to come.

There's also this subhed on Klein's column:

As his father indirectly acknowledged, the President is about to be deluged by advice on Iraq. But the best counsel shouldn't be how to "win" but how to withdraw creatively

Does all that amount to a call for withdrawal? It sure sounds like one.

As Atrios has noted, six months ago Klein wrote this:

What can the Democrats do? They can play politics or be responsible. The political option is to embrace "cut and run"; call for an immediate withdrawal, as Kerry did; and hope the public is so sick of Bush and sick of the war that it will punish the g.o.p. in the fall. But embracing defeat is a risky political strategy, especially for a party not known for its warrior ethic. In fact, the responsible path is the Democrats' only politically plausible choice: they will have to give yet another new Iraqi government one last shot to succeed.

Now Klein, too, has decided to "embrace defeat," declaring the war "lost" and calling for the U.S. to "withdraw creatively," while carefully avoiding the suggestion of a timeline for that withdrawal. One imagines we're still supposed to see John Kerry's call for withdrawal as "political" because he made it six months earlier and because he did propose specific timing. By contrast, Klein followed his own prescription of giving the Iraqis "one last shot" to succeed before bowing to the inevitable, so we should no doubt see his vague call for withdrawal, such as it is, as a "responsible" one.

--Greg Sargent

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 02:46 AM
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1. The Nation, John Nichols, is no better! In fact, he is
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 08:36 AM
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2. I posted a comment
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:00 AM
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3. Are you DB?
If so, I really liked that response. I live the suggestion that repubs are leading the way. Now, they see how bad it is. It seems someone is pushing Hagle.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:46 AM
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4. Thanks!
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 09:46 AM by ProSense
It's ridiculous that a left leaning publication would try to hype a rubber stamp Republican.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:19 PM
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9. OK, this poster is a perfect
example of the mentality that is driving Nichols. Click on the link and see his/her (TIRESIAS) responses to my posts!

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=143259#pid143272

(You'll have to click "read all comments")
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:57 AM
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5. People have short memories. Democrats have stayed basically silent on Iraq
for the last two weeks, as if they were afraid. The only one who has been speaking out is Feingold, who will be ignored because he is not running for president.

So, yes, whether we like it or not, right now, Hagel has been taking the lead. Kerry will be welcome to take the lead again, whenever he wants, but people have to realize that taking the lead means speaking. What you did or say two months ago does not matter. In politics, it is what we say NOW that matters.

So, I certainly hope that Kerry will come out and say again he still supports his own plan rather than Levin. It would be an act of leadership, the type of leadership that could be noticed.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 10:03 AM
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6. It is amazing how short memory is in politics
Kerry did speak about leading on issues like Iraq - so I assume he will. Whether Kerry is running or not, I cannot picture him not speaking out soon.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 10:14 AM
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7. Kerry issued this message two days after the election:
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 10:15 AM by ProSense
John Kerry on New Democratic Congress

“On Tuesday night, the American people voted overwhelmingly to take this country in a new direction. Today with Jim Webb’s election secured, it’s official that we have a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House.

“With both the House and Senate led by Democrats, we have a chance to get America back on the right track. In the Senate, I will first and foremost focus on the disaster in Iraq, setting a deadline so we can end the war and bring our brave heroes home.

“We will work to put the focus on the real priorities of Americans: raising the minimum wage, protecting the environment, and providing affordable health care for every American – starting with our children.

“I will continue to work with Sen. Kennedy, Congressman Markey, and our entire delegation to make higher education more affordable. I will work to make sure Massachusetts stays on the cutting edge of both technology and education. And by helping keep our state a great place to live, I will work to ensure that people don’t have to leave Massachusetts.

“The American people have spoken loud and clear, and we are eager to work in the new congress to help Massachusetts and our country move forward.”


On edit: They quoted him, but not the part in bold!

He also spoke out about Iraq during the Fox interview.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 10:24 AM
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8. Did you put this post up in GD? I'd like to see how they react to Klein's turnabout.
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