Bush still talking like it's 2004 -- looks like he's going to stay the course in Iraq

[beachmom]

SCCRREEAAMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/28/world/middleeast/28cnd-prexy.html?hp&ex=1164776400&en=b1465d36fd484434&ei=5094&partner=homepage


This guy is so dumb and so ignorant it's truly remarkable. The amount of purely stupid and out of touch with reality comments he makes in this article are STUNNING.

He thinks we're in a fight with "Al Qaeda" in Iraq. If that's what he thinks, then there will be NO CHANGES in strategy. He's also throwing it all on Maliki, who has next to no influence on his country whatsoever. AND . . . he refuses to talk to Iran and Syria. He's making Iraq do it. I mean, even at this high level with a disasterous war before us, he STILL is just as lazy as ever.


I say Senator Kerry come out, say once again that the botched joke was about Bush, not the troops, and oh, here's a BRAND NEW example of how Bush's uneducated, intellectually lazy stupidity will CONTINUE to keep us stuck in Iraq and the Iraqi people STUCK in non-stop blood shed and horror.

NUTS!!! That's all I've got say.

[beachmom]

1. Okay, Carpetbagger says it better than me:

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9178.html

Let me get this straight. After nearly four years of war, and with conditions deteriorating by the day, Bush has given up on articulating his own vision for victory, and plans to ask Maliki if he has any ideas?

In other words, Bush says we’re stuck in Iraq and we’ll accept nothing less than victory. Asked how we achieve this victory, the president seemed to respond, “Beats me; let’s see what that Maliki guy has to say.”

[wisteria]

2. This is so ridiculous it is funny/sad. n/t

[sandnsea]

3. We are truly in unchartered waters

Has there ever been a time where more lunatics were in charge of the direction of the world than right now?

[beachmom]

4. At this point, I would take Nixon -- at least he knew to change

the strategy, even if it was a bad change. And eventially the troops were pulled out. But not with Bush. No, he's covering his ears yelling "la, la, la, la, la", and it is LITERALLY insane.

[ProSense]

5. Thank you!

The comment you posted in GD-P on swiftboating is awesome! Related to the lunatics, this is from The Premise:

November 28th, 2006 - 2:34 pm |

Now that my Thanksgiving meal has finally settled I think it’s time to take stock of where we are in this country. The elections were clearly a turning point politically, but as the Republican Party ably demonstrated over the past ten years that says nothing about good governance or the health of the American commonwealth.

It’s true that the Republicans are out of power in Congress. But it’s equally true that an entire generation of political operatives has only known Republican power, and that Washington, D.C. is itself still a vessel pregnant with such people. Too, much of the governmental bureaucracy that prints, taxes and spends our money was hired by or appointed by Republicans, and that’s not going to change overnight — or even in a few years. Republicanism is itself entrenched and must be excised.

George Bush still presides over a massive and misguided Republican machine that brought America most of the ills it now faces. And that machine isn’t going to stop on its own. If Democrats in Congress don’t throw open the shutters of our democracy and shine light on every corner of our government, then the cockroaches of neoconservatism and social injustice will simply bide their time and take up where they left off again when the pendulum swings back.

That’s what Dick Cheney has done for over forty years, and he’s been pretty good at it. Democratic presidencies were simply rest breaks for him, and Democrats need to adopt that same attitude. The 2008 horse race will be interesting, and elections themselves are always exciting because of the sudden-death nature of the wins and losses. But the real work of healing out country is going to take place over the long term, and it’s going to require an ability to remain undistracted by fanfare and spectacle.

– Mark Barrett

[ginnyinWI]

6. He's become a really pathetic figure.

And it couldn't be more deserved, because he did it to himself with all of his "stay the course" , and "Rumsfeld's doing a fine job" crap. I think he knows full well that Iraq is in a civil war and is in flames--but he will be the last one to admit it. He firmly believes that what he says is so, is more important than what really IS so. It's that whole "we will make the reality" BS. Still thinks it works!!! HAHAHA.

The phrase, "painted himself into a corner" comes to mind. Unfortunately the troops are there with him.

[beachmom]

7. No -- seriously, the man does NOT know the country is in a civil war

He is truly delusional, incurious, and stupid. Other people in the administration probably think like what you're writing, but not Bush. He's living in a fantasy world.

[ginnyinWI]

11. maybe so

It's hard to know what he really thinks. I do think the facts have been presented to him. But whether he really totally accepts them is another matter. I think he has a well-established defense mechanism for dealing with hard problems, and that includes a fair amount of denial. It's hard for a rational person to understand it, but it could be true.

[europegirl4jfk]

8. Bush was brainwashed by the Neo-Con cult

I watched him on TV today and it's just surreal. I can see him sitting in an asylum 10 years from now and still talking about how he brought democracy and freedom to these poor people and how he's still fighting the global war on terror. He is just the most pathetic figure I've ever seen. He reminds me of Hitler in his last days sitting in his bunker in Berlin and shifting and commanding imaginary armies to fight the approaching Allies. Did you ever watch the movie "Downfall" - "Der Untergang"? That's exactly how Bush comes across now, completely delusional.

[beachmom]

9. Yes -- that is a great movie. In fact, it made me mellow a bit

about the terrorists we deal with today -- sorry, they don't have the money or the means to come even close to the extreme evil of the Nazi regime.

Bush isn't even talking about the same war that is happening in Iraq. I mean -- al Qaeda? That's the enemy he thinks he's facing in Iraq? Just nuts.

[ProSense]

10. WSJ op-ed describes as "cowards" those who trash a "beleaguered" Bush in "demonic" tones

Losing the Enlightenment

A civilization that has lost confidence in itself cannot confront the Islamists.

BY VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

Snip...

There is, in fact, a long list of reasons, among them most surely the assurance that cruel critics of things Western rant without being killed. Such cowards puff out their chests when trashing an ill Oriana Fallaci or a comatose Ariel Sharon or beleaguered George W. Bush in the most demonic of tones, but they prove sunken and sullen when threatened by a thuggish Dr. Zawahiri or a grand mufti of some obscure mosque.

Snip...

We on this side of Atlantic also are showing different symptoms of this same Western malaise, but more likely through heated rhetoric than complacent indifference--given the events of September 11 that galvanized many, while disappointing liberals that past appeasement had created monsters rather than mere confused, if not dangerous rivals. The war on terror has turned out to be the torn scab that has exposed a deep wound beneath, of an endemic Western self-loathing--and near mania that our own superior education and material wealth have not eliminated altogether the need for force and coercion.

Consider some of the recent rabid outbursts by once sober, old-guard politicians of the Democratic Party. West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller insists that the world would be better off if Saddam were still running Iraq. Congressman John Murtha, of Pennsylvania, rushed to announce that our Marines were guilty of killing Iraqis in "cold blood" before they were tried. Illinois Senator Richard Durbin has compared our interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis and mass murderers, while Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said our soldiers have "terrorized" Iraqi women and children. The same John Kerry warned young Americans to study or they would end up in the volunteer army in Iraq--even though today's soldiers have higher educational levels than does the general public. But furor as well as fear, not logic, drives us in West to seek blame among the humane among us rather than the savagery of our enemies.

Billionaire leftist philanthropists seem to be confused about the nature of American society and politics that gave them everything they so sumptuously enjoy. Ted Turner of CNN fame and fortune said he resented President Bush asking Americans, after 9/11, to take sides in our war against Islamic terrorists. George Soros claimed that President Bush had improved on Nazi propaganda methods. Dreaming of killing an elected president, not a mass-murdering Osama Bin Laden, is a new national pastime. That is the theme of both a recent docudrama film and an Alfred Knopf book.

more...

What a crock!

What next trying the Democrats and liberals for treason because they criticize the Bush admin?

[wisteria]

16. You have that right. Every RW smear against every Dem speaking out

against the war- all in one piece. Putrid.

[ProSense]

12. Iraqscam begins!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2992953&mesg_id=2993236

[beachmom]

13. This is no time for wishy washy "solutions"

I agree with Tom Friedman -- either redo the war (including an add'l 150,000 troops, a re-invasion, and rebuild every institution in Iraq) which will last AT LEAST 10 years OR get out in 10 months.

In other words get out in 10 months, since the first option is simply not viable.

[beachmom]

14. My second reaction: ISG report is irrelevant. Bush will ignore it.

This is just godawful terrible:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15951270/site/newsweek/page/2/

For anyone expecting more out of Amman, or more out of the extensive policy reviews under way, they need look no further than President Bush himself. No matter what the result of the midterm elections, nor the conclusions of James Baker, there is only one commander in chief, and only one decider. And his decisions on the big things in Iraq seem set in stone.






Um, guys -- how are we going to stop this war? Because Bush WILL NOT change the course. What is the House and Senate going to do? I think TOUGH TALK will be in order. And a full scale media blitz on the president for letting his stubborn pride prevent him from doing the right thing. Save the infighting for later. Democrats MUST unite now and stop the madness.

[TayTay]

15. Cut off the funding

This is the ultimate threat. The Congress has the ultimate right to not fund this war. That is how Vietnam ended.

If it comes to that, it will be very, very ugly.

[wisteria]

17. Oh, you can be sure the DLC , Reid and Schumer won't let it come to this. Not with an

08 election looming. And Frankly, I think if someone should pursue a cut-off, it should be someone other than Senator Kerry. He has taken enough abuse because others refuse to act like leaders. Let him sign onto someone else's proposal. Many in our base don't appreciate his efforts or back him up anyway. Let's see if one of our other "great" Dem leaders will do what needs to be done.

[TayTay]

18. I don't think Kerry is able to do that

I think it runs against his nature.

We shall see. This would be another fight for the 'soul of the Democratic Party' that we seem to have so often.

Hmmmmm.