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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 12:01 PM
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Hey gang - the senator needs to hear this news QUICKLY -
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 12:02 PM by blm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x388538

We know he's one of the few who will make noise against corruption.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:23 PM
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1. More of the same
from the heroes of outsourcing. Kerry is probably all over this already, but there's probably little we can do without a total overhaul of the tax system which allows US companies to do this without suffering any penalties against their continuing US contracts and business interests.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:27 PM
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2. They can use investigatory powers NOW to stop the paperwork from heading
out if the country.

Senate can use the immediacy of Walter Reed story and its connections to Halliburton through their front companies - plus the missing billions in Iraq issue.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:28 PM
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3. You could be right
You're the one who follows the corruption around here, so I'll take your word for it that the Senate can somehow suspend this.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:35 PM
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4. ANY Congressional investigation can stop it. Waxman's investigation likely will do it
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 01:35 PM by blm
because he's targeting Halliburton. The Senate needs to move and blow this up into a bigger deal so media is FORCED to cover it.

Remember Dubai port deal?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:38 PM
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5. Yes, but wouldn't this be harder?
The Dubai deal was going to involve the foreign takeover of US assets. This would involve a US company moving abroad. Why stop this when we haven't stopped so many other outsourcing deals that compromise our economic health?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:40 PM
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6. Kerry can find a way to do it. He proposed plans in his 2004 campaign to stop
moves like this, so he's familiar with the terrirtory already.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:46 PM
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7. Possibly, but this might be an evasive measure
to avoid accountability, as BLM is pointing out. The problem is finding out which committee has jurisdiction over it. Kerry, as a member of the Senate Finance committee has oversight on the tax part, and has oversight on Commerce because that handles trade and stuff. However, the good Senator from Massachusetts does not have a chairmanship in any relevant subcommittee so that he can just schedule a hearing on this. He would have to convince others to call a hearing and invoke subpoena powers.

This is the home site for Commerce. What subcommittees and Senators do you suggest contacting? http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.Home

This is Senate Finance subcommittees. Which ones, that Sen. Kerry is on, have oversight? http://www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Bpress/2007press/prb022807a.pdf

In Iran-contra, Sen. Kerry investigated because he had oversight on the issue as a member of the SFRC. Where is the oversight coming from on this?

(Not a dissuading argument. It is doing the groundwork to ask for help. Know who and what you are asking for, as not every Senator can just do this.)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 02:04 PM
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8. Remember the Ports deal in early 2006
What committees would have gotten involved?

Feb.2006:

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration secretly required a company in the United Arab Emirates to cooperate with future U.S. investigations before approving its takeover of operations at six American ports, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. It chose not to impose other, routine restrictions.

As part of the $6.8 billion purchase, state-owned Dubai Ports World agreed to reveal records on demand about "foreign operational direction" of its business at U.S. ports, the documents said. Those records broadly include details about the design, maintenance or operation of ports and equipment.

The administration did not require Dubai Ports to keep copies of business records on U.S. soil, where they would be subject to court orders. It also did not require the company to designate an American citizen to accommodate U.S. government requests. Outside legal experts said such obligations are routinely attached to U.S. approvals of foreign sales in other industries.

"They're not lax but they're not draconian," said James Lewis, a former U.S. official who worked on such agreements. If officials had predicted the firestorm of criticism over the deal, Lewis said, "they might have made them sound harder."

The conditions involving the sale of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. were detailed in U.S. documents marked "confidential." Such records are regularly guarded as trade secrets, and it is highly unusual for them to be made public.

The concessions — described previously by the Homeland Security Department as unprecedented among maritime companies — reflect the close relationship between the United States and the United Arab Emirates.

The revelations about the negotiated conditions came as the White House acknowledged President Bush was unaware of the pending sale until the deal had already been approved by his administration.

Bush on Tuesday brushed aside objections by leaders in the Senate and House. He pledged to veto any bill Congress might approve to block the agreement, but some lawmakers said they still were determined to capsize it.

Dubai Port's top American executive, chief operating officer Edward H. Bilkey, said the company will do whatever the Bush administration asks to enhance shipping security and ensure the sale goes through. Bilkey said Wednesday he will work in Washington to persuade skeptical lawmakers they should endorse the deal; Senate oversight hearings already are scheduled.

"We're disappointed," Bilkey told the AP in an interview. "We're going to do our best to persuade them that they jumped the gun. The UAE is a very solid friend, as President Bush has said."

Under the deal, the government asked Dubai Ports to operate American seaports with existing U.S. managers "to the extent possible." It promised to take "all reasonable steps" to assist the Homeland Security Department, and it pledged to continue participating in security programs to stop smuggling and detect illegal shipments of nuclear materials.

The administration required Dubai Ports to designate an executive to handle requests from the U.S. government, but it did not specify this person's citizenship.

It said Dubai Ports must retain paperwork "in the normal course of business" but did not specify a time period or require corporate records to be housed in the United States. Outside experts familiar with such agreements said such provisions are routine in other cases.

Bush faces a potential rebellion from leaders of his own party, as well as a fight from Democrats, over the sale. It puts Dubai Ports in charge of major terminal operations in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

Senate and House leaders urged the president to delay the takeover, which is set to be finalized in early March. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said the deal raised "serious questions regarding the safety and security of our homeland." House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., asked the president for a moratorium on the sale until it could be studied further.

In Saudi Arabia, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the agreement was thoroughly vetted. "We have to maintain a principle that it doesn't matter where in the world one of these purchases is coming from," Rice said Wednesday. She described the United Arab Emirates as "a good partner in the war on terrorism."

Bush personally defended the agreement on Tuesday, but the White House said he did not know about it until recently. The AP first reported the U.S. approval of the sale to Dubai Ports on Feb. 11, and many members of Congress have said they learned about it from the AP.

"I think somebody dropped the ball," said Rep. Vito Fossella (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y. "Information should have flowed more freely and more quickly up into the White House. I think it has been mishandled in terms of coming forward with adequate information."

At the White House, spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush learned about the deal "over the last several days," as congressional criticism escalated. McClellan said it did not rise to the presidential level, but went through a government review and was determined not to pose a threat.

McClellan said Bush afterward asked the head of every U.S. department involved in approving the sale whether there were security concerns. "Each and every one expressed that they were comfortable with this transaction going forward," he said.

Commerce Secretary Carlos Guiterrez told the AP the administration was being thoughtful and deliberate approving the sale.

"We are not reacting emotionally," Guiterrez said in an interview Wednesday. "That's what I believe our partners from around the world would like to see from us is that we be thoughtful. That we be deliberate. That we understand issues before we make a decision."

___

Associated Press writers Jeanine Aversa in Washington, Anne Gearan in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and John Christoffersen in Danbury, Conn., contributed to this report.



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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:54 AM
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12. None, the Repubs controlled Congress
Chuck Schumer did the dirty work on exposing the Dubai Ports deal for political reasons. (It was a knife in the back to the smug Republicans who believed they could stir up trouble, yet not be touched by it.) Sen. Kerry took the principled stand of saying this was about the actual issues of poert security and purposely did not join in on the 'under-the-radar' racist aspects of the upheaval. (Because he is a good man and a good thinker.)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:50 AM
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13. I understand that - what I was asking was what committees and subcommittees would've handled
THAT investigation or hearings if the deal had continued?

The racist angle shown by some was despicable - it should have been all about port SECURITY as Kerry had originally laid it out during his campaign - another campaign issue ignored by mainstream media.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 02:53 PM
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9. Kerry's Export Products Not Jobs Act
would make it less economically attractive for them to make that move.

Of course if they are doing it for purposes of evading accountability, that may not matter. But it would be harder to explain if the bottom line didn't work out so nicely, which it probably wouldn't if Kerry's bill were passed.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:03 PM
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10. Wow
I can't even wrap my head around all the repercussions of that move. Does these mean the capitalists are out and out embracing the return to feudal economies where the rich don't even pretend to care about quaint principles like democracy and equality? Looks like it to me.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:31 AM
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11. Iran and Halliburton
Corruption so insidious! These gang of criminals need to be stopped.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/11/21830/4591
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:54 AM
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14. I see he refers to Octafish here at DU.
For those of you who don't know, Octafish's journals are solid work. He posts the Know your BFEE threads.

He is also a SOLID and LONGTIME supporter of Kerry's because he has followed Kerry's ANTI-CORRUPTION career in the Senate.

This nation needs its anti-corruption lawmakers now more than ever,
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:19 AM
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15. Halliburton move
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