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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:57 PM
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John Kerry - POW- MIA (Part 1 of 2 )
Among those who harbored a simmering distrust of Kerry was John McCain, who had been tortured as a prisoner of war in Hanoi. The Arizonan had campaigned for Ray Shamie, Kerry's Republican opponent in 1984, denouncing the Democrat for joining the veterans who tossed medals and ribbons over the Capitol barricade in 1971.

In the spring of 1991, McCain found himself seated across from Kerry inside a cramped military jet on a fact finding mission to the Middle East. In the Senate, the two men had circled each other warily. But now, strapped into uncomfortable seats with an interminableflight before them and only a flimsy table between them, they had no place to go. They made small talk about airplanes and baseball with Senator John Glenn, the Democrat from Ohio, until he fell asleep.

From there, "it kind of segued into John and I talking about Vietnam," McCain recalled. Deep into the night, as the plane drone over the Alantic, Kerry and McCain revisited the defining experience of their lives. Kerry said, "I asked a lot of questions about him, and he of me, and we talked about how he felt about his war, and my war."

In the ensuing weeks and months, McCain and Kerry individually, and then together, concluded that the unresolved divisions of the Vietnam War were causing too much national anguish and that it was time to put the war to rest. Over the course of the next four years, as pair worked toward reestablishing relations weith Vietnam, thus closing out a painful chapter in American history, Kerry earned the "unbounded respect and admiration" of McCain. "You get to know people and you make decisions about them," McCain says now. "I found him to be the genuine article."

In the terms of politics, "there weren't going to be any winners" in resolving the Vietnam issue, noted Ted Kennedy. "It was deeply a part of Kerry's soul: rooted in his own service over there."

In the summer of 1991, Newsweek magazine and other mainstream news organizations published a photograph that later became known as the "three amigos" picture, purportedly showing three U.S. pilots alive and in captivity in Southeast Asia. The photo, it turned out, was a crude scam; the three men were Russian farmers, whose photo had been published in a magazine. But for weeks that summer, the POW-MIA myth gained renewed vigor.

Kerry's advisor's to stay away from the controversy, that it was a no win cause, a "tar baby." But Kerry persisted, assuming the chairmanship of the newly formed Senate Select Committee on POW-MIA Affairs, which was granted one-year lease on life to investigate and determine the truth.

Kerry originally wanted his newfound friend McCain to serve as Republican co-chair. But McCain was a hot potatoein a POW-MIA community wedded to the theory that hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans were still trapped inside Southeast Asia prisons. Extremists in the movement branded McCain brainwashed "Manchurian candidate" because of his refusal to adopt their theories. "Things were said about him that I find.......beyond cruel," said Kerry. At the hearings where McCain's anger at his critics flared, Kerry would reach over and place his hand on McCain's arm to calm him down. "I remain grateful to him for doing that," McCain said.

Kerry's Republican co-chair was, instead, a navy veteran allied with MIA-POW activists, Robert Smith of New Hampshire. Smith worried aloud that Kerry's hearings might turn out to be "more about substance. It's a lousy way to get to the heart of things."

In August, Kerry left on his firs fact finding mission to Southeast Asia, telling reporters at a press conference that he considered this voyage a final step in his military service, a "last mission. This is a responsibility as a former soldier and somebody who served in Vietnam."

On this and future trips to the region , Kerry brought with him a powerful incentive for Vietnamese officials to cooperate: The possibilty of renewed trade and diplomatic relations with with the United States. Already, Kerry was lobbying the Bush administration to lift the trade embargo against the country.

"If you want to quickly begin to provide yourself better access to information, by God the best thing you can do is get everyone you can into that country and be able to have an exchange not only in goods but in information," he said during a press conference in Bangkok, before heading on to Hanoi.

During his week long trip, Kerry secured a commitment from Vietnamese official to allow U.S. investigative teams to use their own helicopters and to visit remote sites on short notice. The vice chairman of the People's Committee of Ho Chi Minh City held Kerry's hand, in a gesture of friendship, and pleaded that the economic embargo made no sense.

Upon his return, Kerry expressed doubts that any Americans were being held in goverment prisons. "I think the likelihood that a government is formally holding somebody is obviously tiny," he said. "But it is possible that somebody fell into the hands of bandits or uncontrolled entities in the jungle areas that are out of reach of government? That's possible."
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:15 PM
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1. More insight into Kerry's character
"Extremists in the movement branded McCain brainwashed "Manchurian candidate" because of his refusal to adopt their theories. "Things were said about him that I find.......beyond cruel," said Kerry. At the hearings where McCain's anger at his critics flared, Kerry would reach over and place his hand on McCain's arm to calm him down. "I remain grateful to him for doing that," McCain said."

In my book the jury is still out on McCain. It looked to me like he sold his soul, standing beside * during this campaign. But, I think I will withhold judgment until I see how this whole thing plays out.


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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:24 AM
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2. Yeah, McCain upset me
I know he's a Republican but I don't understand how could support Bush after the way he was smeared in the 2000 Primaries and Bush's subsequent failures as a President. I don't really feel any respect for him.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:06 AM
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7. I didn't understand McCain.....
About campaign for chimp either. Him and Kerry are good friends and why he would support the asshole that try to smear him and Kerry I will never understand. I have to say he pissed me off to. He is one of very few that I can say I don't know how I feel about. I used to have alot of respect for him but after this campaign I don't know. I think what I'm waiting to see is how he reacts to Kerry after what he did and how Kerry reacts to him. But I will be willing to bet money Kerry will forgive him and forget it happen when it comes to McCain. I could be wrong we will see. Had it been someone else I wouldn't say that but McCain yes.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:58 AM
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5. Kerry and McCain
Become the best of friends since Kerry has been a member of the senate and McCain really got to knowing Kerry. Part 2 is finished. Are you reading the other post I put up if so comment on them and let me know what you think.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:02 AM
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6. are they still friends?
I heard that McCain called Kerry after the election and Kerry didn't return his call. I can't say I'd blame him.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:08 AM
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8. I not sure
I wouldn't blame Kerry. Hell I still can't get over McCain doing that.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:11 AM
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9. Seriously
but I noticed that a lot of people backstabbed Kerry, especially after the election. I wonder how he reacts to that.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:42 AM
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10. Not Sure Yet
It will be interesting to see to say the least. I can't wait for the Senate to get back to it's regular schedule. Kerry will be on the Senate floor Day 1. I will be watching that is for sure. Of course I have always watched the Senate because of Kerry. My daughter is hooked to LOL! Also today I was listening to Inside Politcs on CNN and Judy said that Democrats were wanting Kerry to step off the stage that his time was up. Well I say Fuck them they will get over it he will take center stage day 1 you wait and see. Then she was talking about how Reid didn't want him to and Reid was a guest and said he will be calling on Kerry alot. So Reid not backstabbing. Kerry will make those who are regret it before it is over I think.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:47 AM
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11. Nice attitude from some of the Dems
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 01:47 AM by GRLMGC
He has name recognition now but they backstab him like that? Geez, no wonder we have a hard time winning. I remember getting pissed off when DURING the election, some Dems couldn't keep their mouths shut and kept criticizing Kerry. I'm all for expressing one's opinion, but keep it to yourself when we're trying to look united, you know? That type of shit makes us look bad.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:29 PM
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14. This type of stuff is normal, don't sweat it.
This is the usual 'after' talk. There are other ambitious people in the Democratic party who would love for Kerry to step away. Because they want to run and don't want someone with national name recognition to run. So, they want to take Kerry down and eliminate the threat now. It's politics as usual, sigh! That's why you get the 'he had money left over' arguments. (Hmm, Chuck Schumer of NY had $13 million left over after a Senate campaign. Anybody see a whole host of posts in DU about Schumer being a bad guy cuz he didn't share? Didn't think so.)

The Democratic party has factions. They scheme against each other and jockey for position. (Geez, it's like they're politicians or something.) Egos get into the pictures, as well as people who want jobs later on and try to do something to get some name recognition. Patience, my friends, patience. Kerry plays this game fairly well, else he wouldn't be a 4-term Senator or get done what he did in his career. Have some faith and relax.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:50 AM
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12. I had not heard that
But I must say, what McCain did certainly seemed like a back stabbing to me. If that is the case, may he reap the fruits of his labors and go down with the rest of them.

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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:47 AM
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3. thanks--
this is stuff I've never read before. The hand on the arm to calm McCain down--I love it. JK is a cool one under fire. There were times during the campaign that they said he was furious about something--but it never showed.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:54 AM
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4. I Just Finished Part 2
It's good also. Have you been reading all the other post I have been writing? If not you should and tell me what you think of them. This man has many great qualities and is so damn smart it is unreal. He is a very interesting man to say the least.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:51 AM
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13. Cool under pressure
A nice trait to have in a President
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:55 PM
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15. POW with Kerry and McCain
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