I will just be quiet now

[politicasista]

The DUK group has been one of my favorite places to visit and post. Not to mention, get away from all the vitriol that I hear or see elsewhere.

But right now, I am beginning to feel I no longer belong here and am rubbing everyone here the wrong way and being treated, if not trashed for posting or venting about things or people that I care about. I know that is not fair to Senator Kerry or everyone here, but I never thought I would be treated like a freeper from GDP or having a fellow supporter threating not to click on anything I say just because they don't agree with me.

It's probably best that I leave right now anyway. I am no longer making sense, and have nothing else meaningful to say or add. If I do, it will get dismissed as "crap" or just attention seeking. The overall DU climate is too hot right now, with all the racist bait swung back and fourth, therefore, I will come back and visit once things die down (ok that never happens at DU).

For anyone that wants to doubt or question if I support for Senator Kerry, I will just say that in 2004, I was a first-time voter and I voted for Kerry in the primaries and GE despite some ambivalent family members who didn't warm up to the senator. In GDP/GD, I have always defended the senator here, Kos, and elsewhere from garbage flung back and forth elsewhere, and I have never, ever bashed Kerry. I may have been unhappy about the handling of the campaign, but I have NEVER dissed Kerry or Momma T.


In conclusion, I just thank everyone for the civil discussion, but it is not right for me to be here now, so I will just be quiet. If anyone wants me to contribute something, just pm me. I also wish everyone good luck with 08.


Peace,

politicasista


:patriot:

[beachmom]

1. No, don't leave, politicasista. Thing is you are a vital member of this group.

For one, you always report about what is happening in the AA media & perspective. For another, you air all of your worries. I am cool with that, and I think it allows everyone to hone their skills in their own way assuring you that "it will be alright". The truth is that Kerry made mistakes in '04. He bloody well admits it, and does so over and over again. I think Obama is a brilliant politician, and has been doing well, AND benefitting from Kerry as surrogate.

How anyone can feel bad when Kerry's platform from '04 plus his Iraq plan in '06 have become the basis of both Hillary's and Obama's campaign, is beyond me. Kerry got the IDEAS right, and was a bloody good debater. The only reason why the campaign has gotten so nasty on a personal basis is the fact that Hillary and Obama have said: John Kerry, you were RIGHT, and we embrace your ideas!

Don't worry, we love you, politicasista. And I know you love John Kerry. Otherwise you wouldn't worry so much.

[politicasista]

2. I don't want to, but I am beginning to think that

I am making some people uncomfortable here by bringing up something that may make Kerry or his supporters look bad. I just want for once just to find something positive that people will focus on. Things did go right, but the only thing that is remember is what didn't go right (i.e. the SB response is one of them. sigh).

One day I will grow out of focusing on the negative instead of the positive and go vice versa. It's just not that easy right now from where I sit, but that's politics I guess.

Thanks for the kind thoughts. :hi:

[YvonneCa]

3. This election season...

...is like no other before it...and it is critically important to our country (and all of us in DUJK). Our candidates, Obama and Clinton, are unique in history... and just the fact that they ARE our Democratic candidates forces issues to flare up. This is good. It's like 'lancing' a boil in order to help it to heal...the poison can come out, and wounds can heal. But it is painful.

What was learned by 2004 about standing up against smears, authentically speaking the truth, how awful the media was in 2004, and the influence of region, race, gender on every issue we all care about, is what can help us to win this time.

I learn a lot about issues from everyone here, even when I have a different opinion. I value the passion of members of this group who ARE passionate because they care and this is SO important.

Please don't go too far, politicasista. :)

[politicasista]

4. Good analogy

And this isn't a sympathy post.

I just feel right I can no longer say anything because it will taken as bashing Kerry instead of supporting or defending Kerry. It will be just treated like freeper talk out in GDP. It's just best for me to be quiet right now and just contribute something every now and then (if necessary).

Thanks for the words. :)

[YvonneCa]

5. You are very welcome...

...politicasista.

[Inuca]

6. Another please don't go and

especially, please do not feel too bad. In addition to whatever problems each of us may have away from the keyboard and away from politics, things have gotten so intense and probably deeply personal for many at a level I guess never seen before that nerves are easily frayed. As an example. last night I watched BO's interviews on all three networks (I don't think he did particularly well, seems that the best one was on CNN, but I missed a bit of that, on Fox the asshole interviewing him was behaving like BO was an un-cooperating witness or somebody being questioned by the police, and I do not think that he should have allowed that; but as usual I digress, sorry :-)). Afterward, I was incredibly distressed, almost got into a fight with my husband, and even snapped at my beloved dog. I cannot even begin to imagine, based on the very little that I know about your background, how much more difficult this may be for you, and how internally conflicted it may make you feel. Apologies if I may seem to indulge in Frist-like remote analysis. I am simply trying to say (and not doing a very good job at it) that though I understand why you are upset, IMHO you should not take it too seriously and let it affect you too much. And especially, please don't go. I second the notion that you bring a unique and valued perspective here. And we do not always have to agree, do we? Hell, we do not even have to agree with JK all the time. Though at times it may seem otherwise (jeans! :-)), we are not a group of wide-eyed adolescent groupies completely enthralled by their idol. So I see nothing wrong with critical thinking, raising doubts, asking questions, etc. To the contrary.

:hug:

[politicasista]

9. I am not going, just being quiet

for a while until the dust settles for a while. I don't want to leave, but it feels like I am being driven away because I am saying something that may be unpopular about Kerry and/or supporters. I don't feel bad, I just feel like I have been stepped on every time just for saying something, anything, that disagrees with JK or anyone in the group. (It would be boring if we all agreed on everything).

I didn't see the Faux one :puke:, but I saw the CNN interview, which wasn't bad, missed the MSNBC one. If O can just keep getting his message out and not stoop to their level, he will be fine regardless of the outcome (though I hope it will still be in his favor :)).

I am sorry you almost got into a fight with your husband and snapped at your dog, the primary season has been hard on everyone and this too shall pass. We all can't wait for this to be over soon.

Thanks for your perspective, it really helps during the silly season. :grouphug:

[Inuca]

10. The way O handled the issue

in his speech today in IN lifted my spirits, it was very good. If you did not see it, the relevant clip is already on youtube and linked from somewhere here.

Also, it was an ALMOST fight, and my dog is very forgiving :-), so it's not too bad.

[politicasista]

11. That's good

:)

[wisteria]

7. I certainly do not want you to not post here. That's for sure. You bring aboard a unique perspective

However, I can not comprehend the nature of your posts that continue to compare 2004 to 2008-Kerry versus Obama. Many of us have tried to explain to you what the situation was in 2004, yet you either don't read the explanations or you simple do not believe them. Perhaps,I am over sensitive, but I see nothing positive in making negative comparisons of Senator Kerry's campaign in 2004 to Senator Obama's campaign in 2008.Senator Kerry chose those he wanted to run his campaign and he would defend their decisions even today. What are the parallels you see between the two campaigns? And, I can not fathom how you see this as defending Senator Kerry. If Senator Kerry would have won in Ohio, as many believe he actually did, none of this would matter now. All campaigns are not perfect and with what Senator Kerry had to work with in 2004 I think he did an exceptional job. If you are defending Senator Kerry in regards to the 2004 campaign, that is admirable, but don't expect those who want to find excuses to criticize him to even listen to what you have to say in his defense. Sometimes, I am learning the best answer is no answer at all. We can not change the past, we can only look towards the future.

[politicasista]

8. I don't understand why everything I am saying

is being twisted or perceived as attacking Kerry or promoting Obama or anyone else. I am not. I never have or will.


I am glad he has taken responsibility for the 04 campaign. And I understand that 2008 is not 2004. Yes, I am glad that he is doing excellent work as a surrogate for Obama. Yes, I understand that Obama was not in a position to do what Kerry is doing now (thanks for pointing that out) because he just came on the scene and was running for Senate in IL. And yes, I understand if it wasn't for Kerry or the 04 campaign, we would not be hearing of Obama (though I don't hear a lot of O's supporters that call in say that).

What I am unhappy about is that now we are hearing supporters, pundits, and talk show hosts saying what Obama needs to do to be more aggressive and fight back, and not face what happened to Senator Kerry. I have been listening to urban talk radio, reading Obama's campaign blog, and the whole compare and contrasting is brought up and the name John Kerry is mentioned.

I am mad because the campaign (and media too) has made people buy into the spin that he didn't fight back when it mattered, and radio peeps, and others are repeating that myth that he didn't respond, like it is/was the truth and people have believed and bought into it. My DD thinks the Swifties damaged Kerry badly that it hurt his feelings that the lies were brought out. He thinks Obama is running a good campaign and just needs to take the high road. If anyone thinks I have defended HRC or BC here, for the record, we have soured on them, nor do I know anyone in the real world taking their bait.

No matter how many times you point out lack of party support, it falls on deaf ears. (Look at how many times it's being pointed out here, to sometimes no avail). It's unfortunate that out of everything else, the Swifties is the only thing that people remember about 04, at least from where I sit.

I understand that everyone's view or perspective about 2004 is going to be different than what I saw or heard, but I don't expect anyone to agree with me. If anyone wants to dismiss me or this as nonsense, so be it.

As I said, it's probably best that I just be quiet and just see how this all plays out, then just contribute something if/when the dust settles. I like this forum and you all a lot, but I don't want to cause trouble or get any drama here.
















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[YvonneCa]

12. I think you forget something...

....about the other side, and some in the media:

1. There are irrational 'hatreds' and fears on that side. No matters how much one tries to understand these, they are always going to be there. It's best just to let these go...confronting or trying to change their view is useless.

2. Radical right hatred of the Clintons is one example. Another, unfortunately, is how some people will never forgive JK for 1971 (or 2004). It isn't that these people are correct...they just won't be changed, no matter what.

3. You said, "What I am unhappy about is that now we are hearing supporters, pundits, and talk show hosts saying what Obama needs to do to be more aggressive and fight back, and not face what happened to Senator Kerry. I have been listening to urban talk radio, reading Obama's campaign blog, and the whole compare and contrasting is brought up and the name John Kerry is mentioned."

Do you remember Senator Kerry saying he would never again allow others to 'caricature' him as they did in 2004? The truth about 1971 and 2004 is clear to us here...but not to everyone in the public BECAUSE of that caricature the media and radical right created. JK comes up, unfairly, in these discussions (IMHO) because of that. I think there is some benefit in these discussions, though, because it helps to teach the lessons learned about 2004 and swiftboating.


While we all defend JK here, some discussions are counterproductive. I hope our energy will be used to make the change in the world that JK would have made, were he in the White House in 2004. Will I still set the record straight when necessary about 1971 or 2004...you bet I will. But most of my effort will be about implementing the lessons learned.

PEACE.

[politicasista]

13. Yes, I remember

I am almost to the point where I want to just say forget I even mentioned or posted this. Forget I even said anything period. I understand I may not be allowed to post here again.

Anyway, I am hopeful to do the same thing, just focus on 2008, promote the candiate/nominee, and forget or ignore any criticism about 04 and the past, no matter how often it is brought up. Constructive criticism is no longer allowed anymore, at least not from me I guess.

Maybe it is best to just keep my comments to myself and just regain some perspective on some things.

As I have said, forget I even brought this all up or said anything.


Again, apologies if this has offended anyone.