Is that Kerry in the DLC chamber?

[elshiva]

Check this cartoon:

I know that's Rove, Dubya, ?, LIEberman, and Dean

[LittleClarkie]

1. Yes, damn it.

Kerry has been nothing but supportive of Dean. And that is not fair.

Clinton maybe (both of them) but not Kerry. He is only nominally DLC. I think he's outgrown them.

Gads that makes my blood boil.

[elshiva]

3. Oh, heck no!

I didn't want it to be! I know they always draw him with that skinny face. Dean and Kerry are buddies!
I don't like that cartoon.

[blm]

16. Dean and Kerry were both DLC. Kerry was the furthest left of the DLC

while Dean was more of a centrist which is his natural position....until, of course, he ran for president and LEARNED that the left had some solid positions he could agee with.

Kerry maintained a very liberal voting record throughout his time with the DLC, which is probably why Al From had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get behind Kerry when his man Lieberman failed to get any traction.

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. Yeah cuz Kerry's so conservative and DLC

So much more conservative than Dean.

:eyes: Gag me already.

[LittleClarkie]

5. He's a fiscal conservative with a lot of attitude

And it remains to be seen if he can organize or if it was all Trippi.

[elshiva]

8. Dean is openly a fiscal conservative! He said so on NPR.

Not closeted at all about being so!

[elshiva]

4. Hey Steve Bradenton, Dig this....

They are buddies. Also Steve you make Dean look like Clinton in that cartoon not Dean.

[saracat]

6. I predict Kerry will resign from the DLC soon. They really hurt him.

And to put Kerry with Leiberman? Like they even vote on the same side! Gag! The Deanies will, no offense Elshiva! I mean the loony ones, not Kerryiacs, love this. They don't admit Howard was a DLCer too!

[elshiva]

7. This cartoonist is a crazed "Deaniac."

It's dumb to put JK in the same box as LIEberman. If we have to box him with someone, it would be Kennedy or maybe even Dean.

[TayTay]

14. They hurt everybody

When Clinton won the Presidency by going right, everybody thought that was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Turns out that it was a facade that actually hurt the Dems and led to the Dems being perceived as Repubs-lite. (Repubs, but cuddly.) I think that the single worst thing Dems ever did was sign on to the trade agreements without getting the concessions that would have made those agreements fair to workers. (We never got the side agreements.) We have to work through this mistake. We have to rebuild the links that existed between Dems and working people. The Rethugs have just scooped up too many middle-voters with the whole 'Guns, God and Gays, false arguments.

I don't think Kerry is DLC now. He did vote for those trade agreements back when the whole of the Dem party, with a few exceptions, thought they were a great idea. I think the Dems are starting to learn that there was no way those trade agreements were meant for anybody but big business. As Kerry himself pointed out recently, the US is being drained of manufacturing jobs. I think the Senator mentioned that we are down to one computer manufacturer left in the US, Dell. (And I know they heavily outsource.)

Even when Kerry was in the DLC phase he still had a very liberal voting record. You just can't win. I was just looking up the Community Reinvestment Act and his support for it and how he has fought for this worthy program for a long, long time. I ran across a blog where he was castigated because he voted for the CRA reform bill in 2000. Not fair. Sigh! (CRA is very important. Go look it up.)And the fact that he had to negotiate with Gov. Granholm in MI about CAFE standards. (none of these damn complainers ever have to vote or run for office. All they have to do is sit back and complain. Not Fair.)

[Pirate Smile]

9. This kind of crap is so ironic because I remember during the

run up to the caucuses I was worried Kerry would be labeled as too liberal. I knew Dean was a moderate from his record in Vermont.

It always gives me a headache when people start acting like Kerry is Al From and Dean is some crazy leftist.

Actually, they are both fiscally responsible (not giving the "conservative" word any more play because our current "conservatives" are fiscally irresponsible) and socially progressive.

[karynnj]

10. fiscally responsible also sounds really good

[elshiva]

12. Al From? Who's that?

Dean said something once about Bush as neither compassionate or conservative. He said real conservatives are fiscally responsible.

[Pirate Smile]

13. He is the founder and CEO of the DLC.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=191&contentid=1131

[elshiva]

15. Thanks!

Al From, Mr. DLC

[Pirate Smile]

18. Thread today on Al From.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1630278

Al From says Dems must "reject Michael Moore and the MoveOn crowd"

"You've got to reject Michael Moore and the MoveOn crowd," DLC CEO Al From said in an interview about how the Democratic Party should rebuild after 2004. From argued that the anti-war Moore and MoveOn have hurt the party on national security, the issue which he says the party needs to make "central to our cause." Rank-and-file Democrats "are more like us than MoveOn," which From called a group of "elites, people who sit in their basements all the time and play on their computers."

-snip-
On the blogosphere in general, DLC senior fellow and longtime blogger Marshall Wittman sounded a cautionary note, arguing that the 'sphere "not representative of most of the American people," and that it actually could have a "pernicious effect" on how the party is viewed because it's getting "too much" media attention and is having a polarizing effect. Marshall of PPI said that the blogs are a "new force in the Chattering Class," in that what's discussed and debated online now "finds a way into the mainstream press." But he added that it's tough to tell how big a political force it is, noting that bloggers "haven't quite won any of their battles" except helping Dean get elected DNC chair.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3626796

[GRLMGC]

11. Oh gag me with a fucking spoon

Kerry is nothing, NOTHING, like the Lieberman. He's infinitely more liberal. He's more liberal than Dean and I'm not going around calling Dean, also a member at one time or another of the DLC, a DLC devil. GAAAAHHHHHH

[JI7]

17. fuck them

dumb shits who care nothing about the issues . if they did they would see where Kerry stands and wouldn't do shit like this. fucking assholes.

and Lieberman has a far better record on some things like environment and civil rights than Dean does.