FUCKHEADS

[JI7]

there are threads out there saying John Kerry and Hillary Clinton voted FOR the bankruptcy bill. when neither of them did.

Kerry voted against it and Hillary was absent because of Bill Clinton's surgery but she opposed it.

yet the fucking threads , the ones that rant about the fucking dlc every fucking time claim Kerry voted for it.

well Kerry didn't vote for it, but Harry Reid DID vote for it and Harry Reid isn't a member of the DLC.

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. Alert those bastards

And tell the mods that they're spreading LIES.

[LittleClarkie]

2. A definite non-sequitor

and an excuse to attack the DLC and somehow attach Kerry to the whole thing.

[sandnsea]

3. Oh, how many threads have I started with...

HEY FUCKHEADS!!! Then deleted them.

And the same people arrogantly say THEY are so much more informed than the rest of the country.

:banghead:

[GRLMGC]

4. I was just about to call him a bad name

but decided against it

[saltpoint]

5. It's just plain unforgivable that Hillary Clinton went to be --

-- with her husband during surgery at the hospital. Despicable conduct! Throw her to the dogs! No -- make that the LIONS!

How dare she show love and support for a spouse? Absurd and preposterous!

And as for John Kerry -- how do you expect him to vote on anything when he's flying over Wisconsin at this hour, hurling explosives down on rogue cats? He can't be expected to do everything at once!

:sarcasm:

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Which thread is it? and yes -- the moderators should be alerted if the info is factually wrong.

[WildEyedLiberal]

6. Hahahahaha

eom

[JI7]

7. even after there were replies pointing out that Kerry and Hillary did not

vote for it. they continued to say the same shit they did in their original post. are these people fucked up or what ?

[JohnKleeb]

8. They just dont want to admit they are wrong

I once told a person they were wrong about Kerry and DOMA and they didnt say hey I was wrong. When I make mistakes like that, I at least try to be humble and say hey I was wrong, I apologize.

[JI7]

9. that sounds like

what Bush and other Republicans do.

[Withywindle]

13. It's because they're not REALLY wrong....

...not in their minds. Oh, they might have flubbed a minor "fact" or two, but that's just trivia, it's not really important, it's hair-splitting.

What matters is their fervently held sense of how the universe works, and how the Good Guys and Bad Guys are cast in their own personal movie. They don't need facts (quaint, outdated, fit only for wonky insiders when WE ARE AT WAR!!1!) when it's a really a contest of who's the most passionate about their "convictions" and who can outplay, outlast, outrant.

Clearly, the dueling-pundit syndrome is not limited to Freeperville.

[saltpoint]

10. Yeah, but you play fair, John Kleeb. You play fair on the --

-- sports threads and you play fair on the movie threads and you play fair on the politics threads. Why if somebody didn't know any better, they might come away with the impression that you are a hell of a smart and decent human being.

There are others a lot less fair and they're the source of the tension here. After somebody posts a demonstrable fact on how Kerry voted and somebody else STILL smears him, I'd have to ask if that person doesn't have an agenda.

I came out of the "Did Kerry Out a CIA Agent" today gasping for breath. I had to walk away from the boards and mop the kitchen floor with a Bob Dylan tape going. Always a good remedy.

[JohnKleeb]

12. I play fair to avoid losing my temper

As anyone who talks to me privately can attest, I get frustrated, and I let all hell break loose. Oh and I have no tolerance for people like that, and before I left GD For good, I was starting to make that clear. These people as IVe told just about anyone love rhetoric, why else do you think they like people like Byrd? does Byrd have a very liberal voting record, no but is ha a fiery speaker, yes, now Kerry is a liberal but hes not like byrd in that regard and thus to these people hes not a fighter which is trash.

[saltpoint]

17. My impression, John, is that you don't play fair to avoid --

-- losing your temper, but instead you play fair because you ARE fair to others. That's what I was getting at, but I said it poorly.

Byrd is a great example of what you say. I have praised his anti-Iraq speeches on the floor of the Senate, but you are right -- he's by no means a liberal or progressive guy. As majority leader years back, he thwarted a lot of good things that Carter tried to initiate. Liberals viewed him as a roadblack to progress.

But wait -- you're right about Kerry, too. Because he doesn't slam things and scream at reporters, etc. some people think he's a wuss. I can NOT picture myself going up to someone like John Kerry and calling him a wuss. I might call him Public Servant, or Military Hero, or Brainy U.S. Senator, or Lucky Husband to a Great Woman, or Thoughtful Philosophical Big-Picture and Emotionally Mature Leader, but definitely not 'wuss.'

I really don't have a damn thing against Clark or Dean, but Kerry-Edwards was a great ticket, and shame on these folks who can't see that.

You didn't see it early, John. You saw it instantly.

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edit: typos galore

[JohnKleeb]

19. Well that too but I do it to temper my temper

Yeah hes never been a liberal, hell my beloved UMWA initially opposed him. Hes a good soul but I'd never put him in the same boat as I would Kennedy or Kerry on isues. I dont really have any personal beef with Clark or Dean really though I admit I feel uneasy on Clark since he did command a war that involved the destruction of a part of the world where my family is from but I'd still support him. Kerry aint no wuss, hes a brave guy with a lot of brains.

[saltpoint]

20. I'm sad about that war in that part of the world, too.

A branch of my family tree is from that region and that one and a couple other veins run through the British Isles generally and Ireland specifically.

Clark isn't a first choice for me, but I'd sure take him over Lieberman.

I've said here before that in my next life I don't want to be the oldest brother, but the younger brother, and I want John Kerry to be my older brother.

That sounds like an After School Special, I know. But that's how I want it.

Good wishes to you, John Kleeb. You have a boatload of fans on DU. And properly so.

[JohnKleeb]

21. Of course I think I'd prefer most anyone over Lieb

I want Clark though to get some experience, there is a governor's race in Arkansas coming up, he should run, show what he can do for a state. Good analogy btw about brothers, I am the oldest ha and I hate it. Where in teh former yugoslavia is your family from? my mom's dad's family is Slovene.

[saltpoint]

25. Slovene! There's one branch of my family tree that is --

-- from the area around Slovenia but some of that branch has roots in Albania. One cousin who lives very near me is from this branch. There were some Greek Orthodox among this branch.

The branch my mother is from is from around Zagreb and then it hops over the water to a Greek/Czech mix before heading north straight through Germany then over to the British Isles. I'm 7th generation from those two general branches.

In the family history, the Third Reich scattered a lot of them and they wound up in strange places. The West of Ireland was the last stop before the boats to America.

I love it that you know your family's roots like that.

[wisteria]

11. I just responded to this post myself.

It is incorrect and I think they just want to start trouble. Obviously, not Kerry or Hillary supporters. I have often wondered what would happen if we started a thread that stated Dean was a bad candidate or Wes Clark was wrong about the war. I'm just kidding, but I do wonder if we would be permitted to get away with these types of posts.

[Withywindle]

14. Oh, you could, but...

387 posts' worth of flame war later, nothing will have been achieved except more bullshit misinformation spread, more baaaaad feeling generated, more dramatic exits complete with repeated door-slams...


It's not even fun to watch anymore. It's just depressing.

[saltpoint]

15. J17 -- I think I found the thread. I read through it --

-- and found many of the Kerry group folks bravely posting in defense of Sens. Clinton and Kerry.

I added a couple just to throw my name in as just one person objecting to smears of that kind.

The OP has not returned since the initial post. Maybe it's his bowling night.

[JI7]

18. your posts are great and funny

and it is interesting the original poster has not returned. even more interesting is that he replied in a similar thread with the same lies even AFTER it was pointed out the truth about Hillary and Kerry. and then went on to make his own thread based on the same lies.

[GRLMGC]

16. Being bitchy about Kerry is one thing

but straight up lying is quite another. I can't believe it hasn't been locked.

[JI7]

22. they locked one, but the other one is still open

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. It's now on the GREATEST PAGE

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[GRLMGC]

24. fuck that shit

I guess we'll just have to face the fact that we're vastly outnumbered. Too bad, this being the DEMOCRATIC Underground and all

[BlueIris]

26. Agreed.

Yes, I understand, maybe I should be more understanding because we just got a lecture about being respectful toward those who don't want Kerry and/or Clinton or anyone other than whomever they want as President after '08 but, but...that's just it. Lying about Kerry, Clinton or any Dem really, goes so far beyond disrespectful it's--how do these posters ever expect to be respected contributors again? Greatest Page?!

[politicasista]

27. I agree.

I posted a reply in that "values" thread. I am tired of the IWR and primary wars.