They are bashing Kerry all over the place on GD tonite - ugh!

[jillan]

All over the voting fraud in Ohio. And Cobb's statement that Kerry didn't concede, he caputilated

Surprisingly there are a few voices out there fighting for Kerry on this.

This topic needs closure. And I hate to say this, but it has to come from Kerry. We can fight everythread on every internet site there is, but until he speaks up, it will always be there.

C'mon Kerry - we still have your back, but you have to help us.

[politicasista]

1. I wish it would so these people would STFU

[JI7]

2. don't let the bashers get to you

especially certain people who have always bashed Kerry no matter what and the same ones who say "too little too late" when he does do something.

and i really don't care what Cobb thinks.

[sandnsea]

3. It won't matter

They never stop.

Conceding is what losing candidates do. There STILL is no evidence of fraud or that Kerry had the votes to win.

Some of these same idiots want people in Congress to accuse Bush of 9/11 too.

You really have to put them in perspective, not mainstream voters we're dealing with.

[jillan]

4. We have a mission - we are not alone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1997704&mesg_id=1997704

My family is screaming for dinner.
I'll check on this later!

[WildEyedLiberal]

7. I fucking hate her

I fucking hate all these people.

HATE them.

[fedupinBushcountry]

15. I'm with you on that Wild

She is one of the most self centered posters here on DU. I'm am so tired of her whining dribble,I just want to tell her to STFU, and to grow up. But I would probably get my post deleted or be banned.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Alerted and locked

my work is done here.

[ray of light]

20. what does that mean--"alerted and locked"?

And why did that happen?

[LittleClarkie]

29. I alerted

on what I thought was a flamebait thread, and the moderator locked it soon after.

You know about the alert function, right? In the left corner, if you think something violates the rules of the board, or someone is trying to cause trouble, or a flamewar is happening, you can alert on the thread.

And if the moderator agrees, it gets locked so that nobody else can reply to it, and it sinks off the board.

So I alerted the thread in question, and it's now locked. The moderators agreed that it was flamebait.

[ray of light]

30. I don't see a button to do that.

[MH1]

40. Never mind. Missed the post below. n/t (now)

[WildEyedLiberal]

17. Yeah because some people can be huge assholes...

... and never get banned, yet other people get banned for the most spurious of reasons. She called me an "agent provocateur" once, and I wear it as a badge of honor. I wish I was a covert Kerry propagandist :eyes: Guess I'll just have to settle for being an ordinary person who calls em like she sees em.

[ray of light]

21. I got banned from Kos--is that a badge of honor too?

[WildEyedLiberal]

22. Hell yes

Dkos is a cesspool of idiocy. Congratulations.

Were you banned for not verbally fellating Howard Dean in every post?

[ray of light]

25. no, I think i was banned for trying to get money for Andy.

I never saw or knew why I was banned. It just showed up one day as "You've been banned."

So I assume it was the Andy thing.

[fedupinBushcountry]

27. I got banned from the Huffington Post

Just for asking her about her FAILED campaign, its alright to criticize someone elses campaign, but heck not hers. To bad she can't take the truth hitting her in the face.

[ray of light]

31. she was extremely vindictive towards kerry. I was steamed!

[emulatorloo]

44. Personally I haven't forgotten when Arianna was a Republican Talking Head

spewing vitriol about Dems on television. She has yet to prove the sincerity of her conversion to me.

[MH1]

23. Kewl!

I've managed to not even get troll-rated there. But, I guess that just means my posts are too wussy.

And I don't post much there any more, I found better places to hang out. (Like here.) And whenever I do post over there I get too many idiotic responses, even when it is not about Kerry. It's quite the turn off; even though there are some very good authors who post there, there are too many nutjobs.

[Goldeneye]

33. I guess they don't have much else to do with themselves.

Trying to bait other democrats and all. Ummmm...have you guys all seen that cow pic...with the tongue sticking out. It's really disgusting and if you find a really obvious flame piece before anyone else gets to it, you can stick it in the first response. It's huge so it screws up the thread and, and it kills the momentum of the basher. I'll go dig it up and post a link.



I hope I can find the big one...that little guys not very distracting ;(

[fedupinBushcountry]

5. You know

when this was first posted I alerted. Guess the mods love to see such infighting going on.

The OP is repeating speculation, there is NO evidence that Kerry is doing or saying anything stated.

Don't fall in to the DU trap.

[Island Blue]

6. It just got locked. n/t

[ray of light]

8. I asked someone close to the old campaign about Cobb

and clarification about what was going on.

Basically, the Kerry/Edwards campaign is no longer in existance period. All the bills have been paid and all the money has been dispersed. They can be involved as individuals but not as citizens. Therefore, if this were to go to court, they would have to provide evidence of the fraud AND they would have to provide evidence of harm. Those are two extremely HIGH hurdles and they can not be met at this time!

We KNOW there was fraud, but we have NOTHING other than stats and probability. And without that, they can't go to court.

Furthermore, they are trying to help us through their current jobs--Senator and Poverty commission (public speaker)--so this in itself eliminates the argument for "harm" because they are both still successful. Secondly, the actions they've taken STILL try to protect us. They have not rolled over and played dead.

BUT until a whistle-blower comes forward with proof, there is nothing to add to any lawsuit in Ohio.

One thing all of us Kerry supporters do know is from our knowledge on the BCCI and that is Kerry is not a quitter. So we can assume he played dead as the GD would like to keep doing, OR we can take our knowlege of Kerry as a prosecutor, kerry as the investigator of the Iran-Contra affair, and Kerry as the investigator into the terror (money laundering) of BCCI and presume that this man has simply gone undercover to get the information he needs.

Hope I make some sense.

[WildEyedLiberal]

9. Ugh, thanks for the common sense

I just hate these people, I really do. Of course I believe in him, which is why I hate to hear these small-minded assholes griping about someone with more integrity in his little finger than they all have in their entire bodies.

[LittleClarkie]

13. Indeed, thanks, rayoflight

That did make sense.

[MH1]

19. "Playing" dead is an interesting thought.

Let DU'ers think what they want, they are not the world nor are they as significant a part of it as they would like to believe.

"Playing dead" can be a useful strategy at times.

Not that I think that is what's happening - I have better things to think about than to try to second-guess a smart man like Kerry on something I know pitifully little about.

(mmm...better things...like WEL's pic thread....)

[LittleClarkie]

10. So why do y'all think he's pulling out now?

The conventional "wisdom" that "he's abandoning us! Iiiiieeeeeee!!!!!" ain't cutting it somehow.

And Cobb has been a hostile witness from the beginning. He was crying about how Kerry was a hinderance back in December, mostly I think because Kerry wasn't doing exactly what Cobb wanted exactly when Cobb wanted it. And I think Cobb was enjoying the attention.

I have to admit though. I'm going to miss being able to say "Yeah, but, there's STILL a lawsuit pending in Ohio."

Maybe they know that the evidence has already been destroyed.

I wonder if there is a way to contact McTigue. He's out of Columbus Ohio, I believe.

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Probably because Cobb is a nutsack and he doesn't need him

Frankly if GD would rather spooge over David Cobb and believe his political bullshit about Kerry they deserve each other. Just change the name of this fucking place to Green Underground and be done with it.

[LittleClarkie]

12. But still, why do you think he's pulling out after all this time

I do wonder.

But I trust him.

[WildEyedLiberal]

14. I don't even care at this point

I think if there's ever proof that comes out that Kerry really won and if he brings it up and Bush gets impeached they'll still bitch. They don't really want him to be president anyway, they just like to whine and bitch and moan. Fuckers.

[MH1]

26. I disagree. Strongly.

They are not "fuckers." They could not possibly be fuckers. To be a fucker, one must be able to fuck, which requires working equipment. Among those of whom you speak, I see no evidence of working equipment of any sort whatsoever. Therefore, they cannot be fuckers.

:evilgrin:

[ray of light]

32. they are eunicks?

[MH1]

35. Or You-Nucks!

Hey let's try that.

Responding to them -

"Hey you nucks WTF is your problem?"

:P

[fedupinBushcountry]

18. Is there any proof of that

or is it all just hearsay? All I see is what one person is saying, and repeated by another person.

[fedupinBushcountry]

36. One more thing

Where the hell is Dean and the DNC? I am so over this crap.

[MH1]

28. "Green Underground" - speaking of which -

Should we "alert" on this post?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=388217&mesg_id=388227

He is attacking not just Kerry, but all Dems, and is blatantly untruthful in his statement. My reaction: If the mods don't take this guy down, then it shouldn't be called "Democratic" Underground, at least not in the sense of the Democratic Party.

I have never alerted on a post before, but I thought maybe this one should be. What do you DU veterans think?

[ray of light]

34. I'm not experienced but I'd alert. If I knew which button! lol!

[politicasista]

37. It is located on your left.

It's a small tiny arrow on your left of your screen.

[ray of light]

42. ok...i see it now. I was looking at the top.

[Island Blue]

38. Look in the lower left hand corner

of a person's post.

[MH1]

39. Okay I did. My first alert ever!

Maybe if a couple of us do then the moderators will act. Of course only do it if you agree with me that the post is inappropriate. I mean it is one thing to criticize a specific candidate, but to slam the whole party seems counterproductive to the purpose of this board.

[MH1]

43. Success. Post deleted.

Guess the mods agreed with me. Or enough of you all did to convince them.

[ray of light]

24. I don't think "he's" actually pulling out.

I think it's the fact that the "kerry/edwards" campaign just doesn't exist anymore.

My suspicion is that they wanted to get the campaign to keep funding it but if there is no campaign and nothing going forward (no more money changing hands?), then he's saying they're pulling out.


Keep in mind I'm guessing on this post.

[jillan]

41. Well call me stupid and niave'

when I read her post, I thought she really did want help defending Kerry.

I read something else she wrote on a Kerry bashing thread concerning the subject of the day, and she was defending Kerry.:shrug:

[karynnj]

45. Kerry has spoken on this issue

He has consistently talked about fixing the problem going forward. There really isn't enough proof to prove definitively that Kerry won. Also, although they DID prove that if the entire state of FL was recounted Gore would have won, it was a one day story - the timing was unfortunate it was eithe 9/10 or 9/11. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that would re-examine who the President should be and start a transition.

If there was fraud, the people involved could be indicted and tryed. (Bush and Cheney could be impeached). Haskett would then be President - still not Gore or Kerry - the line of succession would be followed The ex-VP and the Junior Senator from MA are not high on the list.

I really think Kerry is being realistic. If you think about it, one unfair claim is that Kerry didn't fix it going into 2004 and he should have cause everything was apparently his job. If Gore, as the person hurt last time would have used the capital he got from his very gracious concession - the problems in 2004 might have been less. It makes sense for Kerry to work to avoid the sane problems in 2008. If he were NOT doing this I would complain.

Hard as it is, the value of 2004 and 2000 now, is to carefully examine all the problems, brain storm about possible other loop holes and create a robust, easy to use, VERIFIABLE with a paper trail system.

These people don't realize that the Greens and libertarians may be doing this to grow their own party by creating more dissafected Democrats.