OK Who here outbid me on The Kerry Kit on Ebay????

[Corey_Baker08]

I will outbid you, that $2.24 you have bid will not match up to my whopping $3.00 bid. :P

Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7705427236&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT

edited for the link

[JI7]

1. post a link to it

[fedupinBushcountry]

2. Is it the Kerry Kit

from Moveon. I have one, in fact I just put all my Kerry stuff together today, and will have it ready when needed. Hopefully in the near future.

[sandnsea]

3. With the CD?

I don't think I ever got mine, forgot all about it. They were giving those out last year, is that the one?

[fedupinBushcountry]

4. Yes

I ordered it, the CD had some of Kerry's testimony from '71 and I believe his speech at the Rainbow Push. It also had a little booklit, with good talking points and a Kerry bumpersticker, with just Kerry's name on it.

[ray of light]

5. This year's rainbow push?

I was there...but Kerry wasn't. (Though I didn't stay the whole conference.) BUT on Saturday and particularly Sunday they played squash with Kerry's name...and Kerry didn't get to be there to defend his actions.

[politicasista]

6. They would have never done that to Clinton or Gore

I guess they were bitter over the election/concession. :shrug:

[ray of light]

7. yes, they were very bitter!

But they didn't seem to understand that kerry went underground to try to dig out the truth.

[politicasista]

8. Some people are hard to please

Which is probably why they are pushing Hillary or someone else to run.

[ray of light]

9. maybe...

but it angers me because the election was stolen and they were very careful to leave even less shreds of proof than they had in 2000!

[politicasista]

10. I agree

It just always seems that no matter what Kerry does, we'll still complain. If he runs again, he is going to have to work even harder to win back the trust of those people who are angry with him.

[MH1]

11. I think he was scheduled and he canceled.

There was the press conference for the "apology for lynching" bill, with Landrieu and George Allen and a fellow who was a lynching survivor, the day he was supposed to be at Rainbow PUSH.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x31076

This item from Rainbow PUSH had him listed:
http://www.rainbowpush.org/FMPro?-db=rpodata.fp5&-format=rainbowpush%2fdata%2fdetailpress.htm&-lay=main&-sortfield=date&-sortorder=descend&category=press&year=2005&-max=20&-recid=33260&-find=

I assumed that the thugs scheduled the press conference and if they knew he was supposed to be at Rainbow PUSH, purposely scheduled the conflict.

Okay, I'm paranoid, but thugs do that stuff! (so do Dems when they are in control, from what I hear).

So apparently JK had to make a choice between two commitments, and Rainbow PUSH didn't like his choice. Fair enough.

To be honest I winced when I saw that - I think politically he was better off going to Rainbow PUSH. But the other commitment may have been more important on a personal level.

[politicasista]

12. I wish he would have gone to the PUSH convention

I like the fact that he apologized for the lynching bill, but focusing on the needs of minorities would have been a plus. He would have also had the chance to answer the hostile critics as to what really happened in Ohio and why the early concession. Sadly the working behind the scenes stuff isn't going to cut it with those people.

[ray of light]

13. I don't know...

I was there and I witnessed their relentless attacks and not even Dean supported him. AND that really ticked me off! I think he would have been attacked even had he gone--and Jesse Jackson was attacking him too!

[MH1]

14. What seems to be their problem with him?

Can you summarize?

I've heard the black community feels "taken for granted" by many white politicians. But damn, the stuff that Kerry actually does, like healthcare and small business, and the way he votes, isn't it great for them? What are the issues that they feel are being ignored?

[ray of light]

15. they were steamed that he conceded

and they feel he dropped the ball for them.

Also, they don't know what he's done behind the scenes on this issue, so when he came out on MLK day and talked about suppression of black voters and fraud, they felt he had no right--since he conceded so quickly.

[TayTay]

17. I'm not sure there is anything he can say

This is the second election in which African-Americans were systematically targeted for voter intimdation and voter suppression. Kerry couldn't stop it. (The Ohio Rethug hierarchy was too strong and the fix was in on so many levels.)

Kerry is going to have to do something going forward. I believe that fraud occurred, but that there was no chance that anything could be done to prove it and to prove that it affected the outcome. This doens't mean it didn't happen, it means it couldn't be proven.

Why isn't Ken Blackwell the target of the anger? He did more to fix the outcome than anyone else. He is running for Gov. of Ohio next year. Is anyone organizing against him in the AA community? Did the AA community organize a protest when Ken Mehlman attended the NAACP convention and 'apologized' for the Southern strategy the GOP has employed since '64? (A wholly laughable and cyncial event, as the GOP has no plans on abandoning this racist strategy.)

Kerry has spoken out about fixing the voting system at least 5 times this year and has signed on to support the renewal of the Voting Rights Act and the bill to fix what is wrong with HAVA. He has donated money to races in Ohio to support Dems. What else should he do?

[politicasista]

18. I didn't know he signed on to support the renewal of the VRA

He should hammer this home as much as possible.

[politicasista]

16. Lots of things

I think people feel slighted because he didn't reach out soon enough to blacks for campaign help, as well as take the issue of voter intimidation/supression seriously. That was one of the complaints during the election. Contrary to what the media said, the minority vote was the swing vote.

Some also were hoping that Dean, Edwards, Clark, or someone else would be the nominee cause they felt that those three (and B. Clinton) knew how to connect with voters on a personal level with fire and charisma. You can argue that they believed the spins about Kerry but, it's just that they saw Kerry as condecending, patronizing, pandering, and fake.

Although Kerry got more votes than Clinton and Gore, people will always say that he got them because most blacks were ABB and couldn't warm up to him like they would have the other three. Despite all of Clinton's faults, he still has a solid bond with the black community, Jesse, and the Rainbow PUSH coalition. (see author Toni Morrison).

I wish Kerry could talk to these people and maybe change a few minds. This is one of the reasons why I think he should go on urban talk radio (i.e. Tom Joyner, Joe Madison, etc.) This is why I don't know if people want to give him a second chance.

It's unfair, but I wish we would put our blame and anger towards the current occupier of the oval office instead of trashing good dems who are really fighting for us.

[fedupinBushcountry]

20. Whoa

Those are spin words you are using. Kerry did speak at the Rainbow Push in '04, Kerry did have blacks supporting him early on, did you ever see his endorsement list.

I think it was either the Dean or Clark camp that put the spin on who he had working for him, and to me that was a very cheap shot.

I went to the rally in N.C., when both he and Edwards came after Kerry announced Edwards for V.P, and there were thousands of blacks there and the ones I met were very happy with Kerry, and had so much hope for the future. In fact I met 3 black ladies at a gas station on my way home, I had on my K/E T-shirt, all of us were so pumped from the rally and we hugged and spun in circles, knowing in our hearts that yes we had made the right choice. I will never forget that, that is the hope that the Kerry-Edwards ticket brought to everyone.

You cannot catorgorize a whole of something when actual proof is not there. Yes, it is unfair, but spinning certain opinions is also unfair.We will not win in '06 on this dastartdly path is taken. He said/she said.

[politicasista]

21. Thanks for the clearer picture

I never saw the endorsement list. I am a political newbie and I don't like spin stuff either.

[fedupinBushcountry]

22. No problem

I just wanted you to get the on the street look at it. I'm a political newbie too, and things can get really whacked out of context, if we let the pundits rule the words, we will never get out of this mess we are in.

:patriot:

[FreedomAngel82]

19. That would be nice to have!