Tell Kerry not to give up on Ohio . . .

[Klimmer]

I reposted this here for those who truly admire and respect JFK as I do.

Original post by William Pitt:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4391589

Let's write him and encourage him to please hang in there. Our right to a free and fair election demands it.

[PresidentObama]

1. Alright

Can do :)

[Mass]

2. Writing cant hurt, but I sure would like to know the source of that

Is there anybody else than Cobb?

[Klimmer]

4. Well, since William Pitt posted the original that I linked I would . . .

hope that he knows. The link he provides supposedly goes to a copy of Conyers letter. The PDA is asking us to do this.

Even if it was all bunk, it wouldn't hurt to let Kerry know we are thinking about him, say hi, and even if it is rumor, that he shouldn't think about dropping his support for their efforts.

Good opportunity to show him we still care.

[Mass]

6. I already wrote to Kerry.

Just bothered by the fact that some people exploit what cannot seem to be traced to a real source as an anti-Kerry bashing. (and the first link I found of that relates to Cobb, that I do not trust).

[LittleClarkie]

34. It could still be a game of telephone

starting with Cobb, going to Conyers, then to Pitt. All from the same source.

I'm hoping Kerrygoddess can enlighten.

[MH1]

3. I think I just lost a lot of respect for Will Pitt.

I don't see any facts or links to facts in that post.

I looked at www.johnconyers.com and couldn't find this letter attributed to Conyers posted there.

Someone please show me that I'm wrong....

[Mass]

5. The letter is linked in Carpenter's letter. Just clik on the link in OP/

Here is an excerpt that to me says that Conyers does not know any more than anybody else. I'd sure like that Kerry clarify the situation because it is difficult to know what is right or not.

It is for these reasons that I am deeply concerned to learn of the possibility, however remote, that you may be considering withdrawing from the 2004 election recount case in Ohio.

[MH1]

7. That link goes to someone else's blog.

Not Conyers' site. And that someone else's blog does not link to anywhere on Conyers', that I can find.

:wtf:

wtf am I missing??

I must be missing something .... otherwise it is clear there is NO critical thinking going on at DU today....

I have to go away from this for awhile. I am really really super pissed right now. I came close to losing it on that thread.

I would greatly appreciate, if someone finds any facts on this besides insinuations from Cobb - please post here.

[Mass]

8. I've been looking for two days now and have found nothing

and, as you can see, Conyers's letter (if this is the one he is referencing in his blog) does not say that Kerry will withdraw. It says that there is a remote possibility he may withdraw (whatever that means).

[MH1]

9. Facts mean nothing to these assholes.

Pardon my French. Thanks for your support over there!

MH out.

[Mass]

11. Unfortunately. in his interview on crooksandliars.com

Conyers seems to push the same idea that Edwards wants the recount to continue and Kerry is the one blocking. (still based on what Edwards said the day after the election, of course). Very disappointing from his part.

[politicasista]

13. That doesn't sound good.

After all, he did promise to fight and count every vote. That's disappointing to hear.

[Mass]

14. So you assume it is true?

To clarify, I found it disappointing coming from Conyers, not Kerry.

I will be disappointed if Kerry drops from the suits as long as they are reasonnable, but cant trust something coming originally from Cobbs as reliable (he has another agenda). I'd definitively would like to know more before I can make a judgement that does not relate from half a sentence said by Edwards more than 6 months ago (as far as I know. Edwards has not spoken about that since, Kerry has).

[politicasista]

16. No, I don't want it to be true

No, it was based on Conyers' response at crooksandliars and those who said that Edwards fought to stop Kerry from conceding.

[Mass]

17. But you are enclined to trust them, clearly.

I am not, that's all. (put that on the fact that I dont like Edwards too much, may be).

[politicasista]

18. I agree. I think we should hear this straight from the horses' mouths.

I will write him though.

[Mass]

19. Good idea. It cant hurt.

[globalvillage]

10. I wrote.

I don't think it's a bad idea to make Sen Kerry aware that we're anxious to know what he's doing about Ohio. I feel certain that he has not given up the fight to make every vote count, but it can't hurt to send a message.
I got three mailings from him this week asking for support (and cash). IMHO, it's only common courtesy to reply. Four times.

:P

[karynnj]

12. I didn't write

because I know Kerry knows far more about what happened, far more about the law, and far more about politics than I do. He has talked about the importance of voting several times and sounds as if he means it.

I voted for Kerry and wanted to him to be President because, I thought he could be trusted to do the what he felt was in the best interest of the nation. It would seem that on this, where we see only the tip of the iceberg, and he has likely been given all the information available, I think I just have to trust him.

Like Mass, I really don't trust Cobb. The independent parties that filed some of the law suits have their own agenda. Defaming the Democrats hoping to pull many into their party could make the Republicans even more dominant.

Either way, I don't think it will be an easy decision for him and he really has to make it on the basis of the information that is now available. I do hope that he takes the opportunity of explaining his decision after ha makes it. He almost needs to make a case either way.

[TayTay]

15. Something fishy here

I want Ohio to be researched and I want any voting irregularities and fraud dealt with and resolved. But I am not getting any answers on this. I am going to call the SEn. Office in Boston and DC tomorrow and see if I can get any answers on this.

I just can't see what the hell is happening. On the one hand, this is important and I don't want it dropped. On the other hadn, who is sending this out and why isn't this in the open. I haven't been able to verify this. Tomorrow I will go into the legal database and see what's up. (I program for one of the largest legal dbs in existence. LEt me see what's up.)

[MH1]

20. That's right. Can't find it on PDA either.

The link in Pitt's post goes to the PDA main page. I don't see this letter on the main page, and I clicked all over and couldn't find it.

I'll bet even if Conyers wrote the letter to Kerry and Edwards, he didn't mean for it to be public. That would be really bad form, and I did not believe Conyers was like that.

[Mass]

21. The first rumor I found here was dated Aug 8th and coming from Cobb

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=388217&mesg_id=388217

Attention DUers -- this is absolutely URGENT! I am still on the ground in Atlanta... got this from an extremely good source, who I can't name on here:

1.) David Cobb and Michael Badnarik STILL have an ongoing suit in Toledo OH Federal Court, Cobb v. Blackwell, regarding the flawed recount they got in 2004. Kerry/Edwards campaign had filed papers in the case supporting the the Greens and Libertarians in the case.

2.) While obviously this suit isn't going to change the election results, the hope is that it might preserve any evidence that is still left, and most importantly, set a precedence in case law to help keep this from happening again in future recounts.

3.) Word is that that the Kerry/Edwards Campaign is preparing to withdraw from the Cobb v. Blackwell case, effective the end of this month! This would have a devastating effect on ANY chance the case might have of success, as per #2.

Now -- THIS IS URGENT -- Contact the Democratic Party and John Kerry and John Edwards; put pressure on and tell them DO NOT DROP OUT of Cobb v. Blackwell !!!! DON'T LET THEM DO THIS; don't let them cave in AGAIN.

Don't let Kerry/Edwards hand Blackwell ANOTHER free pass.

Time is short... Please blast this to everyone you know, please, and KEEP KICKE

[Island Blue]

25. When I originally read the post you linked to (on 08/08)

I was really suspicious because of the whole "I can't tell you where I heard this from, but ..." vibe of the post. That sounds to me like how most common, everyday gossip is started.

I would love to know what's really going on, but I question the motives of the person who originally got this rumor off the ground last week.

[TayTay]

26. I just PM'd WillPitt

and asked him to verify this or give me a web pointer to a legit site. I will let you know what I get back.

It is very odd that we can't document this on the web. Very odd considering how many good folks are following election fraud.

[globalvillage]

32. I replied to the e-mail from PDA

I wonder if they'll respond. I really would like to know Conyers' source. From whom did he "learn of the possibility" that the Senator "may be considering"? Not saying it wasn't legitimate, but he does seem to be hedging, doesn't he?

"I don't see anything on the Conyers site or on the Cobb site.
The Conyers letter does not say that Kerry is backing out, only this:
"am deeply concerned to learn of the possibility, however remote, that you may be considering withdrawing from the 2004 election recount case in Ohio."
Why would Conyers not publish this on his website? Is there a legitimate source for this claim? I wrote to Sen Kerry, as you requested, but only to ask his intentions re Ohio.
Truthfully, I think this is a little premature and inflamatory. Not to mention misleading, if this is all you've got. How did "however remote" become "preparing to withdraw"?
I believe in what you guys are doing, but you're not helping the effort by posting innuendo.
If you know more, give it up. If not, at least rephrase.
Thanks."

[fedupinBushcountry]

22. Something very fishy

Why would this letter not be referenced on Conyers site ?

To me this is pure speculation and this rumor has come out before. I don't know what to think.

We have learned that the Kerry/Edwards campaign is preparing to withdraw from the
Ohio recount case, which is pending in federal court.

They never say who they have learned this from. To me it is hearsay from the far left and the Greens trying to push some lefty Dems to their side. This is just my opinion.

Just went to the PDA site these are the urgent actions they have listed.

Urgent Action Needed!

1. Tell Bush to Meet with Cindy Sheehan
2. No permanent military bases in Iraq!
3. Support Inquiry into CIA Leak
4. Urge media to cover Downing Street
5. Support Rep. Lee's Inquiry into DSM

No mention of Kerry or Edwards or Conyers and the Ohio case.

[politicasista]

23. Interesting

Need to remember that before drawing my own conclusions.

[fedupinBushcountry]

24. Don't believe everything you read

I always go on a research trail, to see were the original info came from. Sometimes and I am sorry to say many times on DU people follow before looking into it themselves, they jump on a bandwagon without knowing any of the facts, and usually if Kerry's name is involved they are ready to bash away.

[Noisy Democrat]

27. That's why

I posted an inquiry about all this last night. I figured the people here would have some idea how to research this and figure out if there's anything to this story -- if anyone can, using just web resources.

[wisteria]

28. I was receiving e-mails from Cobb pertaining to the recount,

up until around two months ago.(I contributed money to the effort-not the party) I haven't received anything since. I would think that if any of this were true, I would have received an e-mail with this information and a request to contact Kerry/Edwards. As of today, I have not received any new e-mails from Cobb and the Green Party. I am going to the Cobb site that posted recount updates to see if there is anything there.

[fedupinBushcountry]

29. One more thing

If I remember correctly every letter that John Conyers has released has been copied from his official letterhead, there is no link to the official letter. The more I read into this and all the responses the fishier it gets.

[Mass]

30. Conyer's blog points to the letter

So I assume that the letter is authentic.

http://www.conyersblog.us/

Third, today I wrote to the Kerry-Edwards campaign, urging them not to drop out of the Ohio recount case. The case is at a crucial juncture, and while we know the case will not alter the outcome of the election, their involvement is needed to allow us to establish important legal principles and precedents that will help insure that every vote is counted in future elections. The Ohio Election Fraud Blog has the letter.

Still, it does not say that Conyers knows that Kerry is going to withdraw, neither does he say so in his radio interview (see crooksandliars.com). All of that is still rumors (as the interviewer says clearly).

What would be interesting is to know who started this rumor.

[fedupinBushcountry]

33. Thanks

I didn't realize that this was said. As you, I believe it is total speculation, and Conyers is not clear on it himself.

[MH1]

37. Thank you!

This is what I was asking for. I had skimmed his blog, but I was looking for the letter, not just a few lines referring to it, and I missed this.

However now I am considering whether or not I am happy with Mr. Conyers... I don't know that I like that he's publicly fanning the flames of a rumor. Why not just talk to Kerry and/or Kerry's people and find out what's really going on? Ah well, I have liked Conyers, so I will ponder this.

[wisteria]

31. No new info on the Cobb site! Updated to April 05.

New information was suppose to be available on a new site- www.IWantMyVote.org but I couldn't even pull up this site. All other navigations on my part came up with no new news on the lawsuit or any references at all to Kerry/Edwards.
I am real curious about what William Pitt has to say.

[LittleClarkie]

35. I found an email addy for Don McTigue

I'll let you know if he'll tell me anything. I doubt it, but it's worth a try.

[kerrygoddess]

36. I contacted Kerry's Senate office today.

I contacted Kerry's Senate office today. I was told that any inquiries would go through the Kerry PAC (Friends of John Kerry, Inc or Keeping America's Promise).

I have sent all info I have on this to contacts there. There has been no confirmation that this is true. I'm waiting to hear back from my contacts in JK's PAC.

Conyers said as much in his letter that this was rumor. PDA has jumped the gun with their attack!

There is no Kerry/Edwards campaign. Whatever investigation they may be still doing behind the scenes or involvement with fraud caeses would be handled by lawyers on retainer from the Kerry/Edwards GELAC Funds.

Fact is there's no harm in sending letters and emails to remind JK that people still care about this issue. But PDA f'ing blew it in my book. I also contact a good friend who is friends with Tim Carpenter, who signed the PDA letter that Will Pitt is posting about. I gave my friend some choice words to share with Tim Carpenter for PDA's little stretch of Conyers letter.

I felt that Conyers's letter was a follow up to put an end to rumors (that God/dess knows who started) and it was harmless. I posted it on my blog, because I don't want people to forget about this issue in the midst of everything else.

What a mess! Thanks Little Clarkie, MH1, et all for staying on this. When I hear more I will let you all know.