Yikes...People are driving me mad

[ray of light]

I am so sick of people bashing Kerry and calling him "pro-war".

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/100105Frank/100105frank.html

If anyone took the time to read his comments with the votes they'd discover what all of us know: kerry voted for Bush to have the tools to go to war IF and only IF the evidence further required it.

Yikes...I'm sick of the "you voted for the war..." comments when every Representative was given facts that implied we were in grave danger.

AND why don't they get it? The fact that Bush took us to war was on Bush's own shoulder's: the planning, the fallout, the long-term occupation.

Kerry had a responsibility to protect us as did every Representative! Also, most people did not believe the pResident would outright lie-nobody believed he'd be that callous!

I can understand Cindy being upset with Hillary because Hillary is sitting on the fence practically repeating Bush's stance. BUT this constant revisionist history is driving me batty!

[fedupinBushcountry]

1. Also

when that resolution was passed 70% wanted INSPECTORS in. I think most everyone thought that we could nip it in the bud with the INSPECTORS and UN INSPECTORS at that. Non PARTISAN.

It drives me nuts too. I was always against going to war, as I know Kerry was unless it totally was the LAST RESORT.

This is Bush's WAR, he betrayed and lied to Congress and to all Americans, he is a criminal and needs to be IMPEACHED. Clinton lied about sex and it did not harm the country. Bush lied and his lie has cost the death of over 1900+ who knows what the real number is and 10's of thousands of innocent Iraqis. He uses the military and in that has weakened their credibility and strength all over the world.

My husband who served for 20 years, told me the other night that he is so afraid not for us as we are getting older but for our kids. Then Walter Cronkite was on Larry King last night and said pratically the same thing, that this is the most dangerous time that America has ever been in.

WHEN THE HELL WILL AMERICANS WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. If it doesn't happen soon we are doomed, as Bush and his cronies could care less what happens to we the people, as we saw per Katrina.

Terra, Terra, Terra, Bush is the biggest TERRORIST of them all. I better never come close to him because I would knock that smirk right off his face, OK enough I am really steaming now, damn they talk about family values when they don't even know what the hell that means. :argh:

:rant:

[TayTay]

3. I'm not sure if it is the most dangerous time in US history

but it is one of them. The otherr two really bad times were the Civil War and the period when Hoover had taken office as President and the Great Depression started to take a toll on Americans. The nation failed in the first instance to resolve our differences in a peaceful manner, but did, eventually, successfully navigate the second. (Not without serious flirtations with demogogery and xenophobia and such. That was a touch and go situation. This nation owes so much to FDR for pulling the country together and bringing back hope and purpose to the people.)

I believe, again, that we are going through another national clarification period that is like a silent civil war. We have shifted allegiances in this country and reconstructed what it means to be an American on a fundamental level. In a way, these issues go back to the founding of the Republic (Hamilton versus Jefferson, rural versus urban, free market values versus providing the means for citizens to rise above poverty, who is a ctizen and who sshall have full rights as a voting citizen of the Republic.)

The critical dialogues in this group are often the ones we have with Blue State inhabitants and Red State inhabitants. Even though we are all Dems and Kerry supporters, the Red State people have a handle on what the opposition has successfully said about Dems (and Kerry) that suggest what has to be overcome. I may not like this, I may hate the lies and intentional misleads that go into it, but I have to acknowledge that it is there in order to fight it. I think that's why I am so unwilling to close the door on 'DLC' Democrats. They have a legitimate read on their own constituents and it needs to be reconciled within the Democratic party if we are to achieve some sort of actionable consensus.

[ray of light]

4. I have no 'objection' to any progressive.

I just am so sick of the infighting! And so sick of these:
"Dean, dean, he's our man..."

"Obama in 08"

"Frankenstein in 08..."


I mean, I'm just tired of people going off on 02 IWR or 08 and forgetting about 05-06 when we have to recruit people to understand the progressive agenda and work our a$$ off to take back the media, the election systems, and the country.

Yikes!!!

[paulk]

2. joshua frank is another "counterpunch" jackass

with an agenda -

pay him no mind...

[Dr Ron]

5. I'll second that

This is typical from him.