I Have Been Thinking About Something And Need Your Opinions

[angrydemocrat]

As we have seen on the other forums people are really pissed at the DNC right now. There are many of them getting calls for donations and they are refusing to help the DNC for anything other than voter fraud. If something doesn't get done to solve this problem and quick we are all going to be in trouble in the upcoming elections. This talk is not only on DU it is on other websites as well. This is a major problem we have brewing here.

In some respects I can understand and others I cannot. What I do understand is the anger that the democratic party is so hush hush. And when I say this I'm referring to the other democratic senators such as Clinton, Biden, Harkin, Boxer, and one of the most surprizing is Kennedy. Where are they? Why are they not pissed over what is happening? Why are they not supporting Kerry and the American people? Why are they just trying to brush this under the rug like nothing has happen? Why are they hiding from this like a bunch of chickenhawks?

Because let's face it if the other democratic senators would come out and speak up on behalf of Kerry and the American people if they was out there fighting for Kerry and the American people we would have all the media we could need, things would be moving along alot faster than they are, and it would show the other side democrats refuse to allow them to destroy democracy and violate voters rights. But where are they? Some are telling us to shut up and move on. When are we going to make them do there part? Because let's face it friends this is a battle that can be won and has to be won but if Kerry and his supporters have to do it alone it will take alot longer than it should and we have no time to waste. Especially if we plan on getting the real elected president in office.

So why are all the other Democratic leaders unwilling to help Kerry and us? What do we do to get them off there ass and fighting for our rights and supporting and helping their fellow senator and colleague? It is unreal how they are turning their back on us and Kerry. And what really pisses me off everytime Kerry does something you have some of them getting pissed at him. One example is the campaign funds there were several at the DNC pissed and running their mouth until he finally turned over the majority. Then when he gave 250,000 to the governors race in Washington I heard some even got pissed over that. So what is up with these other democratic leaders? Why all at once the sudden cold shoulder to Kerry? So many on the other forums are trying to blame all this on Kerry and think about it do yo really think it is all Kerry. I know I sure don't In fact I'm getting pissed at the other dem leaders for being the assholes they are becoming lately.

So what do you think? What do you think we should do about this if anything? Sorry for the long post.

[New Earth]

1. have fun getting someone to reply to your post.

oh look, i just did!

[angrydemocrat]

2. What Is that suppose to mean

All I'm doing is asking for other opinions on the situation. Do you know of any democratic senators that are helping with the voter fraud or irregularities?

[seito]

3. I am not sure that everything is as it seems

We will know a lot more soon. The Congressional "hearings" are huge. I think we will hear a lot more from the Senate Democrats and party leaders after the meeting this Wednesday. The fact that the Democrats on the Judicial cmty are willing to do this public inquiry indicates that they have substantial hard evidence.

I personally believe that there is a conspiracy of silence. The facts are surfacing according to a timeline carefully crafted to negate the neocon media spin. With the blatant wrongdoing in Ohio and Florida, how else can we explain the complete and utter silence? Jesse Jackson was chosen to lead the fight at the proper time. Recall that just about two weeks ago he said on CNN that Bush won "fair and square."

The Ohio recount will happen Monday. The Alliance for Democracy lawsuit should be filed Monday and the Congressional hearing is Wednesday. The evidence is being presented in court and through public hearings. There will not be a much room for media spin.

Once the evidence is presented publicly, I expect that the Democratic leaders and advocates will come out swinging. The American people have a short attention span and a thirst for drama. I see a very exciting week ahead, and I look forward to being in California where we know how to put on a great protest. :hippie:

[angrydemocrat]

5. I Hope yor Right

And I hope the Congressional hearings do shed some light on some of this. The closer it gets to turnover time the more nervous I get about all of this. I know John Kerry doing what he can it's some of the other's I question. But I guess we will see after these hearings are over.

[vinessa4freedom]

4. The silence is intentional

at least I think so. It's not neglect, it's stealth mode. They are being careful, I think, but I don't think they are ignoring the problem by any stretch.

I will continue to support and trust the DNC.

[angrydemocrat]

6. I'm not saying I dont wont support or trust them

I'm talking about all the talk from others that are getting calls and getting nasty with them and it not only here at DU. I'm saying we have to figure out what to do to try to stop people from feeling that way. I know you can't change them all but I have heard this out of people that have never said such crap. And what I say that I understand is how it appears that some of the dem leaders are trying to shut people up or they are hush hush. You don't see them coming out and fighting some of this. I have always been a DNC supporter and that isn't going to change but it is obvious that many many are not like me and the are turning tails and running. Instead of asking questions as I do and try to get the answers they are just giving up and it isn't just a hand full of people either. That is why I posted what I did to see if anyone else is questioning any of this and what to do about getting these people to support DNC again. And I do know they were getting mad at Kerry on the campaign funds which was a little silly he wasn't going anywhere with them. And Saracat posted on one of the other forums that they got mad because he helped pay for the recount in Washington. So like I said it's not that I don't support them but look at the people turning against them this is not good. Some people are getting concerned over some of this. I am one that wonders when they will step up on some of this and back Kerry the way they should be. Maybe something will give after the congressional hearings I hope.

[vinessa4freedom]

7. you're right about that

I think the hearings are probably the reason they are hushing up. At least I hope so. I just can't believe the stunning lack of media coverage on ANY of it. More people in the general public would be screaming if they knew they had something to scream about.

[sandnsea]

8. Disarray

I'm actually feeling a sense of disarray, I don't think they know exactly what to do.

First, we've got the exit polls. That story hasn't been told well at all.

Then we've got the voting machines. Two stories there. One is that they are awful, didn't work right, mysterious "glitches", etc. The other is the possibility of tampering and lack of any systemic method to track tampering or recounts; and proprietary software which is dead wrong.

Then there's the registration and voting process itself. It is just insane to wait more than an hour to vote or for people to not know exactly where they're supposed to vote before election day.

Maybe we could put together our own project to weed out the hype and silliness and just hone in on the cold hard facts.