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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:52 PM
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Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 08:54 PM by ray of light
Bush’s Snoopgate
The president was so desperate to kill The New York Times’ eavesdropping story, he summoned the paper’s editor and publisher to the Oval Office. But it wasn’t just out of concern about national security.

Joshua Roberts / Reuters
Bush says he had ‘legal authority’ to permit the National Security Agency listen in on American citizens without a warrant

WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek
Updated: 6:17 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2005
Dec. 19, 2005 - Finally we have a Washington scandal that goes beyond sex, corruption and political intrigue to big issues like security versus liberty and the reasonable bounds of presidential power. President Bush came out swinging on Snoopgate—he made it seem as if those who didn’t agree with him wanted to leave us vulnerable to Al Qaeda—but it will not work. We’re seeing clearly now that Bush thought 9/11 gave him license to act like a dictator, or in his own mind, no doubt, like Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.


No wonder Bush was so desperate that The New York Times not publish its story on the National Security Agency eavesdropping on American citizens without a warrant, in what lawyers outside the administration say is a clear violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I learned this week that on December 6, Bush summoned Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger and executive editor Bill Keller to the Oval Office in a futile attempt to talk them out of running the story. The Times will not comment on the meeting,
but one can only imagine the president’s desperation.

The problem was not that the disclosures would compromise national security, as Bush claimed at his press conference. His comparison to the damaging pre-9/11 revelation of Osama bin Laden’s use of a satellite phone, which caused bin Laden to change tactics, is fallacious; any Americans with ties to Muslim extremists—in fact, all American Muslims, period—have long since suspected that the U.S. government might be listening in to their conversations. Bush claimed that “the fact that we are discussing this program is helping the enemy.” But there is simply no evidence, or even reasonable presumption, that this is so. And rather than the leaking being a “shameful act,” it was the work of a patriot inside the government who was trying to stop a presidential power grab.

No, Bush was desperate to keep the Times from running this important story—which the paper had already inexplicably held for a year—because he knew that it would reveal him as a law-breaker. He insists he had “legal authority derived from the Constitution and congressional resolution authorizing force.” But the Constitution explicitly requires the president to obey the law. And the post 9/11 congressional resolution authorizing “all necessary force” in fighting terrorism was made in clear reference to military intervention. It did not scrap the Constitution and allow the president to do whatever he pleased in any area in the name of fighting terrorism.

What is especially perplexing about this story is that the 1978 law set up a special court to approve eavesdropping in hours, even minutes, if necessary. In fact, the law allows the government to eavesdrop on its own, then retroactively justify it to the court, essentially obtaining a warrant after the fact. Since 1979, the FISA court has approved tens of thousands of eavesdropping requests and rejected only four. There was no indication the existing system was slow—as the president seemed to claim in his press conference—or in any way required extra-constitutional action.

This will all play out eventually in congressional committees and in the United States Supreme Court. If the Democrats regain control of Congress, there may even be articles of impeachment introduced. Similar abuse of power was part of the impeachment charge brought against Richard Nixon in 1974.

In the meantime, it is unlikely that Bush will echo President Kennedy in 1961. After JFK managed to tone down a New York Times story by Tad Szulc on the Bay of Pigs invasion, he confided to Times editor Turner Catledge that he wished the paper had printed the whole story because it might have spared him such a stunning defeat in Cuba.

This time, the president knew publication would cause him great embarrassment and trouble for the rest of his presidency. It was for that reason—and less out of genuine concern about national security—that George W. Bush tried so hard to kill the New York Times story.

© 2005 Newsweek, Inc.\\ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10536559/site/newsweek/
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:53 PM
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1. I'm so angry at the NYT!
THEY prevented Kerry from being our president!

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:50 PM
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3. I agree. My moods swing between anger and tears. I want to
know why they held this story for a year thus screwing Kerry over, then revealed it at the same time Feingold was working on the Patriot Act surely giving Feingold a boost and credit for stopping the Act's extension.

This is the second time information was withheld at the request of the Whitehouse during the 2004 election. The 9-11 commission held back on certain security information in 2004 at the request of Bush.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:02 PM
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5. Many things held back
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 10:04 PM by fedupinBushcountry
They stonewalled the Plame Investigation, charges could of been brought out as early as August '04.

What about Phase 2 of the Intelligence Comm., they held that back until after the election and still have not done anything.

Now, what happened to all those terror alerts we had in '04 ?

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:13 PM
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6. Good points, These prove to me that Kerry was up against a lot
this last election.It is a testament to his characterand his abilities that he came as close as he did-perhaps really winning this election.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:01 AM
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7. but wait a minute...
Are we sure that they knew this info before the election? If it said a year ago, that would be Dec. 04. :shrug:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:14 AM
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8. You may be correct, I just had a hunch it was before the election
in 2004.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:48 AM
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14. Check this article
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:57 AM
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9. I searched and could find nothing
other than the vague reference to "a year ago".
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:03 PM
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2. Petition for Special Prosecutor - Act for Change
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:00 PM
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4. Done.
Thanks.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:06 AM
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10. Alter's article...
... is quite powerful, hope more to come.

"And rather than the leaking being a “shameful act,” it was the work of a patriot inside the government who was trying to stop a presidential power grab."

Wow!

Question: how do you get to quote stuff in those gray boxes I see sometimes?
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:26 AM
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11. I had to ask too. It's not too hard.
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 08:32 AM by ray of light
When you are posting, you see a pink "HTML lookup table".

Then you can click on that to find the coding you need. This is the one you need:

Blockquotes
Create a styled, indented blockquote (useful for posting excerpts from articles) So you type that>>>>but where it says "Text" you erase that word "Text" and you put in your excerpt.
Text


I'll post the code with spaces for you so you can see it, but when you go to post you can just copy the formula from the HTML lookup table. < d i v c l a s s = " e x c e r p t "> T E X T < / d i v >

(Don't us <> use [] instead. Those marks are above your quotation marks on your keyboard.)

"And rather than the leaking being a “shameful act,” it was the work of a patriot inside the government who was trying to stop a presidential power grab."
The presidential power grab happened last year. And remember the media HID the Plame investigation before the election too. They hid the voter suppression and fraud. They hid every speech Kerry made, except for his greetings, and except for cspan which was the only place you could hear his whole speech. That's why I get so angry at the lefties who just blame kerry for the loss! As if THEY could do better! OR as if their candidate would have fared better! Yeh, right...(sarcasm)

The media and the lefties are already beating up on the people who they feel might be candidates: O'bama, Clinton, and others.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:55 AM
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12. Got it!
Thanks Ray!
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:11 AM
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13. YEA!!!
It went faster for you! (For me, I experimented for 2 days and previewed everything I did!)
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