This is confusing!

[ProSense]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2273613&mesg_id=2273613

[Island Blue]

1. That is strange.

First of all, exactly when has Hillary been keeping company with Blivet Boy? And secondly, how can anyone who is married to Mr. Charm & Carisma possibly think that * possess either one of those qualities?

I fear the Apocalypse is near. Rupert Murdoch said nice things about Hillary, O'Reilly said Kerry was a good leader, and now this. What's next? Republican hookers at the Watergate? This is all too weird.

[wisteria]

2. It appears to be everyones, lets all try to get along moment.

The country is so divided and some people are so angry at one another because they are either Republicans or Democrats, Bush is a lame duck, the election was a year and a half ago,so what do we have to lose by saying a couple of nice things about one another. Maybe, it may be a start to try and heal the country a little. I don't necessary agree with her description of President Bush, but she has met him and I have not. I think he really wanted to be a comedian and his parents made him try for President.

[ProSense]

3. That's one of the things

I will always admire about Kerry: he doesn't have to go from one extreme to the other.

How does this square with Clinton's "plantation" comment.

In Kerry's interviews he sometimes mentions the things "they" got right. He often points out what they did saying it isn't enough, it's a start or they need to do more. He never hesitates to blast them appropriately.

People are angry, and that anger coupled with rapidly deterioration circumstances are clouding their judgment. These swing shifts, which go from pointing to Bush's skirting Congress and the law to "he's a good listener," are going to confuse the situation even more.

[wisteria]

4. It is very confusing. Are we to just forgive and forget what the

Repubs have done to this country? To John Kerry? Why should we even trust them? They have not proven themselves to be trustworthy. Every time we extend an olive branch we end up getting burned. IMO, real unity will never be accomplished with this crew in the White House. I to think, Kerry could be the healer to at least unite some of us. I really hate seeing our country so divided.

[ProSense]

5. David Sirota quoted in the NYT

about the Murdoch fund-raiser for Clinton

"The brazenness of this move is almost too much to stomach," wrote David Sirota, a liberal commentator, on his blog. "Here you have a leading Democratic U.S. senator engaging in a 'mating ritual' with the head of the news network that has overtly worked to systematically destroy both the Democratic Party and her own husband's administration."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1145152&mesg_id=1145152

[jenndar]

21. Ed Schultz had a similar take on this.

And he said he'll never forget what Fox did to JK.

[JI7]

6. do you remember what Hillary's plantation comment was ?

and who it was directed to.

because one thing i notice is the Clinton's criticize Republicans in general but when it comes to Bush specifically they sometimes praise or defend him.

take Bill Clinton talking about how Dems have to be more tough or whatever against the Republicans and how horrible they are. but when asked about Bush and Iraq and other issues he often defends him or makes excuses.

[ProSense]

8. Amazing!

The House "has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," said Clinton, D-N.Y. "It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."

"We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism, we have incompetence," she said. "I predict to you that this administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed our country."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-16-clinton-bush_x.htm

Current:

"He's been very willing to talk. He's been affable. He's been good company," said Clinton, D-N.Y.

Makes no sense!

[JI7]

9. it looks like she is criticizing Congress

so it's in line with what i'm saying about their reluctance to speak out against Bush, but they do criticize other Republicans.

[ProSense]

10. "...this administration will go down in history as one of the worst

that has ever governed our country."


Is the Bush administration.

[JI7]

11. ok, well that is more confusing

do you know who she was speaking to when she made the plantation remarks and who she was speaking to when she made the recent positive comments ?

[ProSense]

12. Here...

Current: Tuesday night during a talk at the National Archives.

Plantation comment: Church in Harlem.


The difference in these two statement can't be attributed to a slightly different audience.

The "worse" administration in history is conclusive.

[ProSense]

13. Since it's the MSM, I'm willing to give her the benefit of doubt.

Maybe she was talking about Bill:

"He's been very willing to talk. He's been affable. He's been good company," said Clinton, D-N.Y.

[JI7]

16. not really

she wouldn't say "he's been WILLING to talk" if she is talking about Bill.

it's clear she is talking about the Chimp. i don't htink they would get that wrong. they could misrepresent it by leaving out other things. but i don't think they would claim she was talking about someone she wasn't there.

[ProSense]

17. I forgot

the sarcasm smiley.

[fedupinBushcountry]

7. Charm and charisma ? WTF?

I'm sorry but this is more on the line of Kerry saying we don't need 2 republican parties.

Does she know what the phrase two-faced means ? You know Hillary smile in your face, turn around and stab you in the back. :banghead:

[Island Blue]

14. Maybe her Republican roots are starting to show.

It's time for a touch-up Hillary!

I swear, if she and McCain somehow end up being the two candidates in '08, I'm just going to throw my television off the roof. Otherwise, I'm afraid I'll witness the two of them merging into one gigantic, pandering, spineless, republican-like blob.

[karynnj]

15. If it were foreign policy only

McCain/Hillary or visa versa made way more sense than Kerry/McCain

[karynnj]

18. It may just have been a knee jerk response to a press comment

I think that there are few politician who will make not make these types of comments. I think that Kennedy has made comments that aren't that different. Even Kerry, in 2004, when asked about what he thought of Bush as a person would say that he didn't really know Bush or something vague but positive. (though there was one comment from early in Bush's Presidency where Kerry supposedly said Bush hadn't changed from the type of person he was in Yale (and it was clear Kerry did notmean it positively. Bush said he never knew Kerry at Yale.

[ProSense]

19. You're probably right! Response to

Q: Say something nice about Bush!

And Clinton responded by going back to 9/11.


I don't know what I would say in that situation:

He hasn't completely destroyed the country yet.
He says he wants to do the right thing.

That's assuming these would come to mind on the spot.

[zann725]

20. Not considering her DLC standing. Not to Hilary-bash, but soon

she'll now be named Poppy's "newest daughter."

She's NOT a Dem, people. Anymore than a cat is a dog.