Need some help

[_dynamicdems]

with a poll in GDP.

It's asking people who they would vote for Lieberman or Edwards. People think I'm nuts and Edwards is leading by a mile.

Now, I am sure that Kerrycrats won't miss the point I am making here.

[Island Blue]

1. Done.

Gotcha. ;-)

[_dynamicdems]

2. Thanks. If we can keep it kicked long enough for them to digest it...

DU will make my point for me. Just want them to think hard about the difference between those two men.

It's all about decisions and judgement. :D

[ProSense]

3. I like that!

Hmmm!

[_dynamicdems]

4. I'm not saying anything negative...just giving them a choice to ponder.

Somebody will figure it out. :D

[ginnyinWI]

5. very clever, dd!

You're the best. Let them convince themselves whether Gore or Kerry used better judgement.

Are you going to post the answer to the riddle? Some of them clearly haven't figured it out.

I can just picture a few heads exploding when they do.

[_dynamicdems]

6. I've dropped hints. Only a couple have figured it out judging by their

posts but nobody is willing to bring Gore's name into it. It is just funny that the same people who dispise Kerry also dispise Lieberman but love Gore and Edwards. Something radically wrong there.

Personally, I don't think any of them remember Hillary and Tipper Gore on censorship. Their heads would explode over that one.

Thee is a bit of both myopia and hypocracy afoot in DU. People need to think long and hard on the issues. They also tout Feingold as the new liberal God when his voting history is way right of Kerry's. And Murtha was a hawk, but now he's an anti-war hero. What about Al Gore's record? He's an environmentalist and a damn good one, but he's also way more conservative than Kerry and he and Tipper are both closer to the religious right than most people in DU would be comfortable with if they knew. And what about the newest anti-war rock star? Don't anyone remember when Neil Young was singing Bush's praises and supported the war against terrorism?

[wisteria]

7. It seems like every one else is given a pass on previous POV

and votes-except Kerry. He isn't allowed to have a change of heart or take a stand on anything. Everything Kerry does is suspect and he is accused of being self serving and ambitious. Not so, anyone else.

[_dynamicdems]

8. You get my point! Thank you!

In all honesty, I think the poll is showing something else that I've suspected for a while, as well.

There is virtually no support for Lieberman here at DU, but he's getting a percentage of votes. I wonder if the percentage Lieberman gets is directly proportional to the Freeper population here at DU...

[Island Blue]

20. I could also be directly proportional

to those who have figured out what your poll is all about, but can't bring themselves to publicly (even though anonymously) admit that Kerry made a better choice of a running mate than Gore did.

[ginnyinWI]

10. you know, this may all be good for JK in the end--

Right now DU is going through the agonizing process of who they can trust for the next election. They're trying on different candidates to see how they fit. They've pretty much gone through Dean, and we don't hear about Clark much either, or Kucinich. I think those were the big three right after Nov. 2004.

Now it's Feingold and Gore. I think Feingold will give it a shot but then not take enough states to get the nomination. I don't really believe Gore will go for it. He's a media guy now with his finger in a lot of pies. The real Gore is not the Gore who is worshipped here at DU!
Of course it's always a good thing to be "coy" about running, because it gives you more media attention. (and this is not the way I see JK as acting--he is deadly serious--you can see it in his eyes!)

But having gone so far as to "endorse" Gore, DU will have made the decision that a previous Dem candidate is entitled to try again. Also, as we know, Kerry is to the left of Gore, so it'll feel kind of hypocritical for people to reject him on that basis. So what other objections will they have if it's okay to run a second time and his lefty credentials are good?

[_dynamicdems]

13. They are going through flavors of the month at a startling rate.

Barbara Boxer is all but a memory.

I think you're right about Gore. He is a media guy now and I think he's loving it. He's happy and he's doing a lot of good where he is. Seeing this, I don't want him to run for President.

I'm not at all certain how it will all play out in the end. It's very depressing around here lately.

[ginnyinWI]

15. yup, Boxer is history now.

And Conyers was really big for a while there. And Cindy Sheehan, even. Let's see--who else? Oh yes, remember Harry Reid? When he pulled that "closed session" thing. I guess all we'd have to do is go and look at all the avatars.

[_dynamicdems]

18. LOLOLOL! Look at the avatars. So true! It is kinda childish. n/t

[karynnj]

9. Gore also came close to supporting Reagan

on foreign policy while Kerry was fighting him tooth and nail.

On the censorship - they may be stuck with that because both Tipper and Al made a big deal about it. Dropping it would raise questions (well beyond flip flop) were you really against it etc. I know a current 20 year old for whom this was a major issue - and why she wanted Bradley to win - she was too young to vote.

[_dynamicdems]

12. Yes, you're right about Reagan.

Gore did cozy up to him and Kerry bristled. I love John Kerry for always being true to form.

Funny you bring up Bradley. I actually supported Bradley in the primary. I learned to appreciate Al Gore after he won the nomination.

[karynnj]

25. I supported Bradley too

He was my Senator. In fact, unlike in 2004, you can make the case that the party really did work against him - "it was Gore's turn". Gore previously hadn't done well on his own in 1988. Bradley was a pretty boring candidate.

[ProSense]

23. To this point,

everyone is shocked at Bayh's committee vote against Hayden. Surprisingly, the very centrist Bayh has voted against nearly all of Bush's controversial nominees: Rice, Gonzales, Roberts, Alito (supported filibuster) and Norton. He voted for Porter Goss. Feingold voted for Roberts, Goss and Norton.

[ginnyinWI]

11. it's got 4 votes now--

only needs one more to reach a whole new audience.

[_dynamicdems]

14. Really? I wasn't even paying attention to the votes! I was just hoping

to keep it from buried. I didn't really say much...just posed a question. Good though. More people will see. Maybe.

[JI7]

16. Gore has changed

none of this matters to many of them because their whole support is based on the assumption that Gore has changed. he isn't the same guy as he was in 2000.

personally, idon't think Gore has changed much. but i also never thought he was as horrible as many of them thought he was back then. and i supported him since i thought there was a huge difference between him and Bush unlike many of them who voted for Nader.

[_dynamicdems]

17. This is a tough crowd and an inconsistent one.

Nader voters are to blame for this entire mess if you ask me. Morans.

[JI7]

19. they have always been

it's often about something else rather than issues and logic has little to do with it.

the Sherrod Brown Paul Hackett race is a good example. they tried to say it had to do with the dlc , never miind Brown is not dlc and is one of the most liberal congressmembers we have. and disregard the fact that Hackett used Brown's liberal record against him.

[Island Blue]

21. You've posted a wicked stumpa' DD

You've now made the Greatest Page, but most people who have commented (except of course known Kerry supporters, odd that) still don't seem to be getting your point.

[_dynamicdems]

24. That's okay. If a seed it planted, it was worth the effort.

Interesting that there was a bit of Edwards bashing.

[ProSense]

22. Really fascinating!

Great exercise in connect the dots. Of course, Edwards is way different from Lieberman, but even more interesting is that Edwards is to the left of Gore. He was on all the issues during the campaign, and look at the issues Edwards is fighting for now, very liberal.

[_dynamicdems]

26. Edwards is liberal. Lieberman is not.

Therefore, which one was a better choice for VP from a liberal perspective?