More political positionning.

[Mass]

ProSense posted here a thread where Edwards say that Democrats should show their outrage about domestic spying. This is what I really dislike in this dog and poney show about who is the best one. Edwards is bashing all Democrats and implying he does and the other ones do not. Bayh and Warner are doing the same thing in national security.

Compare to Kerry who speaks about these things rather than attacking others not to do it. I dont know whose method is more efficient toward a presidential election, but I am tired of Democrats lecturing other Democrats. I want Democrats acting and attacking *.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2647115&mesg_id=2647115

[ProSense]

1. There is no quote in the article bashing other Democrats! Here is more

Edwards echoed Democrats who have called for congressional hearings on the record-keeping, which leaders in the Republican-controlled Congress have declined to convene
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"The reason it has political impact is because it goes to a lot of other things that show this president doesn't respect the law and the constitution," Edwards said.

[Mass]

2. You are right there is no direct quote, but

this excerpt is either a subtle bashing or an other case of media distortion. I am all for believing this is media distortion, but even in this case, this is bad news for the Democrats. (Edwards's position is not news, he already said the same thing several times, so the only reason for this except is to attack Democrats.).

Former U.S. Sen. John Edwards said today at the outset of an Iowa swing that Democrats ought to express their outrage over the Bush administration's reported use of millions of telephone records to track terrorists, despite caution from others in his party on a similar issue.

The 2004 vice presidential nominee, considered a likely candidate for president in 2008, said the National Security Agency's use of telephone records to track suspected terrorists should be a political issue.

[ProSense]

4. Yes, but given that the state's

Governor is advocating caution makes Edwards' point valid.

[karynnj]

3. Also, Edwards seems to lag the others

Then choose his side and pretend that no one else has done it before. The Des Moines Register endorsed Edwards in 2004, so I'm not surprised that they are helping him on this. I think Kerry spoke about this at least 3 weeks ago, as did Feingold. Even Clinton has commented. I think the press is likely to push Edwards especially if they think Hillary is weak. I think that's why only he has been considered to have the perfect act of contriction for the IWR - even though Kerry's have been far more intense.

I notice that Edwards seemed to have choosen nearly the same position as Kerry. I really think that it will be tough for him to slide his position so radically from 2004 when he was the most conservative of the viable candidates. His supporters seem to not realize that the concepts Edwards speaks of are pretty standard Democratic positions.

I'm tempted to print part of Kerry's NAFTA speech the next time they say the concept of 2 Americas is new, then indicate Kerry didn't think it new when he said it.

[ProSense]

6. That's true, but

the article seems to be pointing to another Democrat who believes Bush is violating the law. It doesn't read like an attack or an "I said it first" article. JMO!

[_dynamicdems]

5. John Kerry only speaks the praises of other Democrats and never

criticizes them. He gives them encouragement when they do good but never points out their flaws. He saves the attacking for Republicans.

That is one of the things I really admire about Senator Kerry. He's loyal and tough and disciplined. I'm sure there are times he'd like to wring a few Dem necks but he's as patient and understanding with them as a father with a child. He negotiates but never, ever calls them out in public. He knows that it is crucial to present a loyal front and not to be torn apart by small differences. Senator Kerry's got a lot of class and a lot of smarts.

[politicasista]

12. I have noticed that too n/t

[ginnyinWI]

14. It's more classy and politically smart

to save your ammo for the opposition. Kerry gets that. And you never know when you'll want those Dems at your side sometime in the future. I'm surprised that Edwards is going negative, because he was so positive last time. Kerry ran against * from the start, didn't he. And it helped people believe in him.

So we've got Edwards and Feingold bashing Dems. And I heard Warner doing it, too. None of them name any names, but it still looks bad and does harm to the party. And it only reflects badly on them, IMO.

[sandnsea]

7. I know what you're saying

If they want to make a point about an issue, then they ought to name the Democrats who are also speaking out on the issue. They think they're appealing to the radicals when they do this spine and balls bashing, but they're all hurting the party. It's like that jellocrat comment, NOBODY is going to vote for a jellocrat. I do not understand how such supposedly smart people can't figure that out. Kerry is one of the few who is trying to build a coalition of strength instead of ripping the party to shreds.

[ProSense]

8. If only people would remember

that when Feingold goes on the attack! By contrast, Edwards quotes about the Republicans sound more like an attack than his statement about Democrats.

[sandnsea]

9. 'they' included a lot of people

not just Edwards.

[ProSense]

11. I understand that, but

a lot of DUers defend and encourage those type of attacks.

[sandnsea]

13. I think that was the point

That these attacks are counter-productive, even though a lot of DUers are thrilled by them.

[Mass]

10. The same goes for Feingold, IMHO.

The same goes for everybody.