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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:15 PM
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America is in Desperate Need of a Hero
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 01:15 PM by Stevendsmith
I'm increasingly doubtful that an effective popular democratic movement will emerge. Apathy and material abundbance are not the proper conditions for a revolution.

We need a hero.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:17 PM
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1. I believe that apathy and material abundance are fast morphing
into concern and poverty.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:19 PM
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3. I'm just not seeing that. (n/t)
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:37 PM
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9. Well, I think it's happening very slowly. As things continue to
fall apart the rate will be more apparent.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:55 PM
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14. Come to New Orleans and you'll see it (lots of pix):











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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:18 PM
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2. Or, maybe a leader!!
We need another FDR.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:20 PM
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4. Fitzgerald or Feingold
There are a few heros still.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:22 PM
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5. I had Fitz in mind.
I like Feingold a lot. But he will not captivate and enlighten the masses. I don't mean to sound corny about this. But there must be inspiration, charisma, and dramatic change.
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:23 PM
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6. no, that's the conservative way, there's just us
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 01:26 PM by dusmcj
the search for hee-roes and lee-durs is a transaction whereby we agree to give away adulation and also autonomy in return for being able to dispose of our responsibility for independent thought and action.

That is fundamentally un-American. The American way, as defined by the Founders, is to note that government is of, by and for the people, that there is no nation aside from us, there is no one "else" to "handle it" for us. When we operate that way, we see the effects as they are occurring now, where those least qualified to "handle" anything are more than willing to "handle" what is not theirs, namely our tax dollars, our inherent civil rights, and our lives.

It's you and me, bro, and all around us. If we don't make it happen, it won't. Knights in shining armor on white horses are for little girls who haven't gotten over their fathers, not the real world. As every tired quote about heroes has it, they're just ordinary people who happen to be in the right place at the right time (or wrong/wrong). Looking for someone with a nametag on their forehead to that effect doesn't work, it just invites those with a lust for power to step into what is cast as a power vacuum.

Let's get to work, shall we ?
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:29 PM
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8. I disagree
Jesus Christ
Martin Luther King
Ghandi

I'm not talking about a daddy to take care of me. I'm talking about a visionary that will inspire popular change.

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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:56 PM
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15. let's all work on being visionaries
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 01:59 PM by dusmcj
the more people who do, the greater the probability that someone will come up with something worthwhile.

Further, let's look less for transcendental effects, and more for the output of hard work (which implies doing the hard work to produce the output). The Founders were not mystical airheads (or if they were it was a hobby); when it came to getting things done they were hardnosed rationalists in the tradition of the Enlightened thinkers of their age. The Constitution and attendant documents are splendid pieces of objective reasoning, about very complex sociological subjects no less. Their core message was: this is a land which is constituted by its people, and whose institutions serve its people. There is no one exceptionally gifted to guide us, instead we are all created equal, and our nation's structure ensures that we all have access to opportunity to exercise those gifts unimpeded by group coercion. The vision we need to form is less an individual product (because if we're all off visioning there is the distinct danger that the activity degenerate into mental masturbation) and more the product of discourse and deliberation between men of good will, who commit to applying their energy and interest to the question of what structures might be established to further the common weal, first individually and then collectively in public fora.

We have been floundering around for 6 years looking for why the public uses 'liberal' as a cussword, and why we can't find anyone as cathartic and exciting as Reagan or Jerry Falwell. We've forgotten how to be matter-of-fact and hardnosed to the simple extent of acknowledging that the conservatives have no intellectual content and are trying to substitute loud mouths and aggression for it, that they are making war on normalcy and on every advance in human civilization made by hard effort over the last few thousand years. Once we come to terms with this and stop looking for dialog and being nice, we will recall that this battle has been fought before, for example by the labor movement of the last century, that the New World Order is really the Old World Ordure, that the players are the same, and that the solutions identified by the kind of leaders you seek, like FDR, still hold: the impulse of men to seek what they identify as their self-interest without adding the salt of enlightenment must be controlled, that some will control it of their own accord, but others will not and so it cannot be left to goodwill. And that there are higher priorities than letting everyone get as wealthy as they can, and that in fact the satisfaction of basic needs, including national needs, is accomplished poorly by free markets. So that government, as the product of millenia of arduous deliberation by our ancestors about equitable social structures, has an obligation to be an expression of enlightened collective, public thought about what legal structures to establish to ensure that national missions - ensuring a decent quality of life for all citizens, advancing culture and science, relating productively with other nations, defending against illegitimate aggression - are executed successfully, to ensure that the public interest is served by the structures the public chooses to erect.

(Note how different this is from the US conservative notion that government is some offensive anachronism to be kicked with contempt into a dumpster.)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:24 PM
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7. We have a few who are routinely ignored by the corporate media
for fear that all of America would know them:

Wesley Clark
Russ Feingold

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:54 PM
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13. Kucinich
at least all the votes would have been counted. I doubt he would have conceded before they were.

dp
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:40 PM
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10. We kill our heroes. nt
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:46 PM
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11. I still maintain that a respected non-politician . . .
who is progressive, articulate, charismatic, generally well-liked, and an environmentalist would be our best bet . . . someone like, say, Robert Redford . . .
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:48 PM
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12. America is in desperate need of many people who think for themselves
Think "hero" and way, WAY too man people look to Bush or Reagan or some clown with whom they can abandon independent thought and personal responsibiltiy, provided that their "leader" tells them what to think and do.

How about lots of people who are willing to learn, question assumptions, work hard and ask tough questions? I'll take that over a hero any day.
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