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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 07:36 PM
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We can feed and house the entire population with resources found
in the State of Kansas.

We can provide education, health care, food, and shelter to the entire population of Earth, if we wanted to. If you remove borders, profit, and greed, it can easily be done.

IMAGINE!
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 07:39 PM
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1. Care too explain how this is accomplished?
I like Kansas, but feeding over 6 billion people seems just a tad of a stretch
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 07:42 PM
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3. I'll be they have some of those magic those loaves and fishies....
Just guessing. ;)

MZr7
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:37 AM
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5. If humans worked toward the reduction of hunger with the zeal
that they pursue sex and profit, hunger would be a thing of the past. It is all about the re-direction of priorities. :)

IMAGINE!
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:59 PM
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8. I like your idea, but there is a small problem
Human nature.

People pursue sex and profit because it benefits them. They get laid and they get to eat. People like that.

Now making sure the other guy gets laid and eats is another story.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:05 AM
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9. i like your sig line a great deal
peace!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 08:25 PM
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4. unicef - reduce hunger in half by 2015
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_us/un_child_nutrition

they are falling short, but it can be done. IMAGINE
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:02 AM
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6. Buckminster Fuller
It is now possible to give every man, woman and child on Earth a standard of living comparable to that of a modern-day billionaire.

This is not an opinion or a hope -- it is an engineeringly demonstrable fact. This can be done using only the already proven technology and with the already mined, refined, and in-recirculating physical resources.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
This will be an inherently sustainable physical success for all humanity and all its generations to come. It can be accomplished not only within ten years but with the phasing out forever of all use of fossil fuels and atomic energy. Our technological strategy makes it incontrevertible that we can live luxuriously entirely on our daily Sun-radiation-and-gravity-produced income energy. The quantity of physical, cosmic energy wealth as radiation arriving aboard planet Earth each minute is greater than all the energy used annually by all humanity.......... it eminently clear that we have four billion (in 1980) billionaires aboard our planet, as accounted by real wealth , which fact is obscured from public knowledge by the exclusively conceived and operated money game and its monopolized credit system accounting.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:50 PM
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7. thank you so much for this post
peace. IMAGINE
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:21 AM
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10. The pie is finite
Setting aside for the moment whether the world's resources could be better distributed, (they can) the reality is that few americans would be happy with the result of spreading it around equally.

The Gross Domestic Product of every country on earth, including the United States, adds up to roughly $4500 per person. From this is paid capital's share as well as the cost to maintain order (government). The remainder is roughly the average american family's cost for transportation alone.

Also, the United States is not the breadbasket of the world, we generate only about 20% of the "coarse grains" (corn) 10% of the worldwide production of wheat and less than 1% of the rice.

http://www.fas.usda.gov/wap/circular/2006/06-02/Wap%2002-06.pdf

Removing profit and borders will result in poverty and universal misery. Removing greed will take some serious genetic engineering.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:34 AM
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11. Are you saying....
...it can't be done? That the idea everybody should be treated equally is a bad idea?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:28 PM
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13. 1) yes 2) no
1) yes. Kansas can't feed everyone. The united states only produces 10% of the worlds food, and Kansas produces less than 10% of that. Unless you believe that the other 99% of the worlds food is not consumed, it won't work.
2) no. Egalitarianism - "treating everyone equally" - is a good idea. In practice, people innovate and produce because they want a cooler car and a hotter girlfriend than their neighbor. If there is no promise of reward, there's little to no incentive to produce.

The "tear down the borders" concept only works when, as in western europe, the neighboring countries have similar values and economic capacity. The differential between the US and central america is too great - removing the borders assures equality by making the poverty problem as acute north of the border as it is south of the border. And, in fact, it's only sorta working in western europe.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:52 PM
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12. IMAGINE !
Your forgetting about soylent green. :)

Seriously, I think it can be done, and Americans will be content. I think Americans will gladly live on $5000.00. It is just a matter of evolution. Not genetic evolution, but an evolution of the soul.

I disagree with the assumption that universal misery would result from the absence of borders and profit. They seem pretty happy on Star Trek ( :) ).

Peace.
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