I knew it. I KNEW IT. I predicted it and only wish I could find the post.

[Pacifist Patriot]

November 3, 2004: PREDICTION

There will come a day when people who proudly proclaim their allegiance to Bush will not only avoid mentioning they voted for the criminal but will LIE and claim to have voted for Kerry.

Yep, it's happening. Two people. TWO! I caught two people in a conversation yesterday claiming to have voted for Kerry whom I know stumped their asses off for Bush in 2004. And you're damned right I called them on it too.

Hey dumbass Republicans, if you can't lie any better than the man you voted for, keep your mouth shut. You never know who is paying attention.

[bleedingheart]

1. it reminds me of the Democrats who voted for Reagan but then denied it

when they realized they had been taken...

[Warpy]

2. Some of those Democrats STILL don't know they were taken

Reagan had the ability to lull people into a hypnotic state where everything was rosy as he was ripping them off and transferring their wealth to the rich.

I kept watching the tube during the 80s and listening between the lines and wondering when it was going to dawn on people, what outrage would snap them out of that trance, and nothing ever did, not even Iran/Contra.

Some of them are wandering around in that hypnotic fog even today.

[bobbieinok]

53. my parents' next door neighbor

She would come over every 2 0r 3 days and just rant on and on about something. They were polite, partly b/c they realized she had no one to talk to (her husband was dead and they never had any children).

Once when I was there from IA on a visit, she went on and on about some problems she was having. (I don't remember precisely what, but it had something to do with not getting some govt $$ she used to get.) My dad tried to point out politely that what was happening was part of the Reagan Revolution and that she had voted for him. Her reaction: Reagan was so wonderful he couldn't do anything wrong for his people; he didn't know what his subordinates were doing.

If I hadn't realized it before then, her reaction made it clear: some people just can't connect the dots, they cling to their beliefs even when they're being hurt.

(All three are now dead, the neighbor died first, then my dad in 1995 and my mom in 2005.)

[marions ghost]

56. your post reminded me

that a large part of the Reagan appeal was the nostalgia factor--the return to a simpler time, when you could actually trust your leaders to be working for YOU. So even in the face of that not being the case...it felt good, esp to the WW2 generation and some are still clinging to it. Sounds like your Dad did connect the dots. A realist. But esp after the upsets of the 60's this "Happy Days are Here Again" vibe duped a LOT of people.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

62. Cognitive Dissonance....

n/t

[myrna minx]

4. The interesting thing about Reagen is that he had

horrible approval ratings at the end, yet, 20 years later he was completely deifyed. We cannot allow that to happen to bu$h. I shudder to think how the RW will try to deify bu$h 20 years from now.

[Pacifist Patriot]

7. I find that astounding too. I will "fight" to my last breath to keep

Bu$h from being deified as Reagan has been. Not going to let it happen. Nope, no way!

[lastliberalintexas]

54. He also had bottom of the barrel ratings just before being shot

By a Bush family friend's son, no less.

Amazing how these republicans can escape low approval ratings with some catastrophic event, no?


And by all acounts, we would have been in a war with the USSR if any of their premiers had lasted more than 3 days. Apparently by the time they got angry enough to go to war with us, they died and we luckily ended up with Gorby at their helm. Something that has made this agnostic think that there might be a god(dess) after all. :)

[windy252]

63. Isn't the extreme right

already trying to do that right now, though?

[NewJeffCT]

81. we got lazy after Reagan

As soon as his presidency was over, Grover Norquist types went out & systematically tried to rename everything they could to Reagan's name - schools, parks, airports, etc. The more & more this happened, the more the "legend" of Reagan grew.

Unfortunately, on our side, we did nothing to stop this rewriting of history. You'd think if a small town wanted to rename their school, a quick, "well Reagan presided over an administration that had more officials indicted & convicted than all other 20th century presidents combined..."

[tridim]

3. That's why I keep my Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker on the car

It leaves no doubt that I didn't vote for *Bush.

[Javaman]

19. Last year some boob I worked with made a comment about my sticker...

I said, it's a protest, as long as that moron* is in office I want to maintain that I 1) didn't vote for him* and 2) will never ever till the day I die support that colossal jackass*.

He backed off, saying something about Dewey. Now fast forward to the present. Before he would make all these little snide comments about democrats, but since delay has been finger printed, he shut his trap.

It's the good life. :)

[tridim]

21. My Repub Mom's comment: "The election is over...

..You can take your sticker off now"

My response: "Yea, but the pain caused by Bush isn't over until at least 2007. The sticker will stay on until after he's long gone."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

76. I'm surprised you acknowledged that a real election took place.

[ginnyinWI]

35. I still have mine on, too

It's my way of saying, "I told you so" to the two-thirds of my neighbors here in my red country who voted for *.

[flyarm]

48. i've kept mine on too..and added to it with..don't blame me i voted

for kerry!

fly

[AbbyR]

59. My sticker is still on the car, too.

It has now been joined by one that says "Don't blame me, I voted for the smart one" and if it doesn't rain today, a Worst.President.Ever. sticker is going to join the other two.

[Patiod]

77. I want one that says "Kerry/Edwards: We Tried to Tell You"

Whenever I see a Kerry/Edwards sticker now, I assume it's sort of a protest, combined with a "Ha-Ha!!!" (in the voice of Nelson from "The Simpsons)

[Greyskye]

67. My sticker ain't comin' off until the chimp is GONE!

The W'O4 stickers sure have disappeared around here though. Just in the last 6 months, too.

[Tom Joad]

5. When they took a poll in 1974 of who people voted for in the

1972 election, McGovern won in a landslide. Strange how that happens.

[tenshi816]

17. I wonder how many of them

also claimed to have been at Woodstock?

[Kansas Wyatt]

6. The challenge is

To get all those who voted for Bush in 2004, to vote Democratic in 2006.

Let them know, they can still redeem themselves and correct their mistake. But, they cannot think that their Republican Representative and/or Senator is different and hasn't followed Bush in lockstep. All Republicans must be attached to Bush.

[Pacifist Patriot]

8. I'm surprised to see it happening in FL-15

Florida Today has traditionally endorsed Weldon and ignored his less than stellar representation of our district. I stumbled on this story today:

http://floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060503/NEWS01/605030401/1006

<snip>
In 2004, Weldon helped land a $1.5 million grant through the U.S. Department of Labor to create a program at Florida Tech that used a Virginia company's software to help small businesses navigate the federal contracting process.

The company, called MAP ROI, received $500,000 from the program. The federal spending also benefited the company's lobbyist -- a former top aide to Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas -- who received stock options from the company. The lobbyist, Edwin Buckham, headed Alexander Strategy Group, a firm that collapsed because of its close association with Abramoff.

In an interview last month, Weldon acknowledged that another lobbyist who worked with Buckham and the software company convinced him and his chief of staff the software would be worthwhile. Weldon said he did not know Buckham would enjoy any financial gain from the software company once the public money trickled down to Florida Tech.
<snip>

In an article that is actually about his reluctance to publicly discuss the process he uses to "earmark" federal funds for special projects.

Abramoff may help bring down this "red" district.

[Kansas Wyatt]

12. Hopefully, the Republican Revolution that has tried to ruin the U.S.

Will meet another movement, and get flushed into the bowels of America's sewage system.

Hopefully, Democratic politicians will also recognize and value that they are there to represent 'We The People' not Corporate America, and return to what put them in control for so long.

[gasperc]

9. 1975, nobody would admit they voted for Nixon

yet he got almost 70% of the vote

[NewJeffCT]

82. And Carter barely won in '76

when he beat Nixon's VP.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

10. If you are stupid enough to share who you voted for

then you deserve to have it slammed back atcha.

I never tell anyone, even my husband. Drives him nuts.

Of course my membership here might be a tiny HINT. But still, I don't broadcast it just because it is my right to keep it private.

[deaniac21]

16. If you feel secure in your convictions it won't bother you to lose.

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. It's kind of hard for me to hide for whom I vote.

Democratic precinct captain with prominent Dem yard sign placement. I'm usually out on the street corners waving with the candidates, gathering ballot petitions, knocking on doors to distribute literature and participating in GOTV initiatives. Can't exactly hide behind the secret ballot. :)

[Iowa]

39. Interesting...

I place yard signs in front of the house and generally let people know who I support if the opportunity arises (but I don't lean on anyone to do what I do). I guess I prefer that people know that I'm not a republican in any way - especially now.

However, I don't put anything on my cars. Every time I see a "Support Our Troops and Our President" type of bumper sticker I have a brief fantasy about kicking in the fender of that vehicle - and then it passes. I figure that if a peace-loving left-winger like myself can fantasize about denting the vehicle of some "W" moron, the "W" morons would probably act on such impulses if given the slightest opportunity. Since my wife and kids also drive the car, I see it as a potential safety issue. So that's why I don't put political stuff on cars... two tons of steel hurtling down the road at 70 mph isn't a good place for hot-button political discourse, IMO. Does anyone else see it this way?

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. I have bumper stickers that identify me as a liberal, but...

not candidate ones. The back of my van has these (or something close to it)



"We Are All Family & We All Have Value" (from the UUA Family Matters Task Force)

Bumper Sticker advertising my church, tag line "Room For Different Beliefs.....Yours"

ACLU Membership Square
Human Rights Campaign Membership Square

"Americans United for Separation of Church and State" bumper sticker

I suspect anyone toodling along with a W sticker on their vehicle could probably determine I did NOT vote for him. :)

[yellerpup]

52. When I lived in NC and commuted 50 miles/day

was afraid of the very aggressive B** loyalists driving gas guzzlers flying rebel flags. In my own neighborhood (NoDa) I felt comfortable showing my allegiance, but once on I-77 I felt safer wearing a disguise. Glad to be back in Big Blue NYC now. Of course there are idiots to argue with here just as well, but I don't worry about getting smashed into the pavement the way I did down yonder.

[vickitulsa]

55. In f'd up red Oklahoma, I knew I'd be asking for trouble

if I displayed anything other than Old Glory or Dubya signs -- and the threat of aggression from Repug Bu$h supporters here has been VERY real.

What pissed me off more than almost anything was that they even ruined for me my love of our flag and our country, because I have displayed the Stars and Stripes on my car or my home (or both) all my life. Partly to show my support for veterans but also just because I DO love my country, I picked up my mom's behavior when I started putting the tiny six inch flag on my car antenna. After 2000 when the neocons took over America, I've been very conflicted about loving my native land and its flag.

Around here, if I had put Gore stickers in 2000 or Kerry signs in 2004 on my vehicle or anywhere else, I would have lived in fear of being attacked in one way or another, so I just didn't do it. And in fact it was recognizing that threat which first woke me up to just how messed up our population has become.

It seemed like after the other side had their 12 years of Repug control in the White House, and then the hatred built up in them over the eight Clinton years, those people developed behavior I'd never seen before in the people around me. Very sad ... and very scary!

I do tell anyone who asks just how I feel about Bu$hCo and always have -- even from the beginning when he ran for governor the first time in Texas. I was living in Dallas at the time, and even way back then (seems like eons ago), I felt his lying, thieving crew had managed to STEAL that election! Seemed almost no one expected him to defeat the very popular Ann Richards, the incumbent.

I've never been one to "rub it in" or delight gleefully in others' mistakes in judgment, but because of the horrific damage Bu$hCo have inflicted on our nation, the world, and all poor people, I am not so quiet about it when someone expresses support for Bu$h these days.

Not that I run into many who do that anymore, which speaks worlds about them, as the OP implies. I mentioned in a post recently that during the '04 campaign, there were so many Bu$h/Cheney signs everywhere including on cars that it was a nightmare just to drive around. Yet now you hardly ever see one! I DO see Kerry signs, however, and that delights me.

It's very seriously worrisome when anyone in this country has to live in fear if they publicly show their support for any political candidate. Says something about many of our people -- and it ain't something good....

[AbbyR]

60. Good point.

That's why I don't have my Osama bin Forgotten sticker on my car. I'm afraid some idiot will misunderstand what it means and shoot me.

[glitch]

50. My brother told me he voted not only for the Davis recall but for Arnold

Schwarzeneggar as well. I told him to never admit that to another soul. He's got a daughter, for God's sake. Oh, the shame.

[ldf]

68. as long as voting is "secret" we will continue to lose

we have to be willing to PROVE that the elections are being rigged.

we can't do that without everyone knowing how we voted.

we are long past the time when you could be "punished" because of who you voted for.

if it DOES happen, you have recourse.

[Renew Deal]

11. There's a Dem who wants to run for local office

that claims he was against the war all along. He used to think that Dems that didn't support the war were left wing nuts of some sort. I called him on it too just to watch him squirm.

[sojourner]

13. excellent! but c'mon, dish!! what happened after you called them on it?

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Alas, anti-climactic. Just a bit of red-faced spluttering and a

hasty retreat. Literally. Though it was gratifying to see everyone else in the situation howl when I reminded one of them that her teenage son was one of the ones responsible for repeatedly stealing my Kerry signs.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

14. The Ironic Thing Is.....

Many of them probably DID vote for Kerry, but the Machine changed it after the fact.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

18. Just like the people who lied about loving the movie "Titanic"

You can't find anyone to admit they liked that movie, but SOMEONE must have seen it more than once.

[Javaman]

20. what a colossal piece of putrid celluloid. Or I like to call celluload.

Hated it, hated it, hated it.

"It happened one night" 1957, English release, was a thousand times better.

[Jigarotta]

25. I admit it. ;blush;

and have seen it more than once. ;)
should I be ashamed?

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. Okay, I'll stick my neck out with you.

I even own a copy on VHS and watched it again when I was down with the flu last year. Now I'm not going to hold it up as a gem in the history of cinema but I found it entertaining in a highly implausible way. I'd rather we suspend reality this way than how Shrub & Co. do it.

[Jigarotta]

37. I'd like to know more about why some think it was so terrible.

but this isn't the place.
Maybe a lounge post?

If I built it, will anyone come?

[Patiod]

78. We thought it was interminable

We kept whispering to each other "will you just get off the G#$d$m boat??!!!" and "oh, let GO already!" We came out of the movie assuming we were the only people in the theater who didn't enjoy it, based on the chat we heard around us.

But I saw it recently and forgot how enjoyable the early parts of the movie were - Kathy Bates adds a ray of sunshine to anything she's in (she was even funny in the historical accuracy). Plus the historical accuracy was pretty cool.

[Atman]

80. I didn't think it was that bad at all

It could have been edited down, sure, but it had that epic, Godfathery feel to it. I remember seeing it in the theaters with my two kids; they didn't get up once to pee or beg for snacks...they were riveted. The Godfather had the same kind of long, interminable back-story scenes, like the lovey dovey wedding crap in Corleone, stuff like that. But they were parts of a larger whole which was a very fine film. Titanic was no Godfather, for sure, but I also think many people have tended to jump on the "I hate Titanic!" bandwagon after it became such a pop-culture icon. After all, can anything involving Celine Dion and Leo DiCaprio truly be considered "great?"

[scarlett1]

28. I've never seen it.

I've Only seen the clips on TV

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

38. I loved the Titanic

Hated seeing the poor artist drown, but WTF, it was a good movie.

[AbbyR]

61. It was my teenager daughter

I have steadfastly refused to even watch the DVD she rents every now and then. UGH.

[NewJeffCT]

83. My ex-wife cried at the end of Titanic

And, her sister did, too. Heck, even the 2nd time she went to see Titanic, my ex cried.

I thought it was a good movie at the time, but I didn't LOVE it.

[electron_blue]

22. good grief, let them lie about it. What we need more than anything

right now is for Republicans to change their mind and stop supporting Bush. Forget the past - ask them what are we going to do now to defeat Bush?

[Exultant Democracy]

27. We should pretend to believe them...

Why you ask? Because Republicans are incapable of changing their minds because that would mean that they were wrong. On the other hand Republicans are famous for believing their own lies.

The way I see right now they are more then primed up to trick themselves into thinking that they have been life long democrats. The only thing slowing them down is their reluctance to give up three of their favorite pastimes, hating minorities, hating homosexuals, and hating women.

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. You can change your mind and stop supporting Bush without...

hiding behind a lie like a coward. I got a lot of grief from these people during the campaign. One of them has a teenage son who was the primary responsible party for repeatedly stealing my yard signs. The way they treated me in 2004 was with nothing short of contempt. Like hell I'm going to let them weasle out of their responsibility for bringing this down on all of our heads. Strutting around and pretending they voted for Kerry when they tried to publicly humiliate me for being the only democrat on the block less than two years ago? I don't think so.

[IndyOp]

23. NOW can the truth about the stolen election come out? Please PP?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465045790/102-8399284-0436167?v=glance&n=283155

[samplegirl]

24. High gas prices

and loss of jobs............"Is nonpartisan"

[ComerPerro]

26. Hell, I'm still amazed when I see Bush stickers

granted, I see them quite often, living in Kansas, but when I do, I can't help but think, "You're still proud that you supported that moron???"

[scarlett1]

29. This fellow Kansan thinks the same thing.

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. Oh I know what you mean. When I see a W sticker on a car...

I often speed up a little bit just to see what the moron behind the wheel looks like. Morbid curiosity I guess.

[ComerPerro]

31. and they somehow always look just like I expect them to

[DemReadingDU]

42. My husband does that too!

starts ranting at them, flips them the bird.


Just today, he showed me an 8x10 sign. The next time he sees a W sticker, he's going to show him his sign - fuck bush


If they say anything, he's going to show them the other side of his sign - go fuck yourself

[Dulcinea]

49. Same here.

People with W stickers on their cars are almost always middle-aged white men (not to say that all middle-aged white men are Bush supporters.)

And I look at the people who have anti-abortion propaganda on their cars, & it's just like George Carlin said: "The people who are against abortion are the people you wouldn't want to f*** anyway."

[peacebird]

85. i speed up to pass them

then get in front of them so they can read my bumper stickers! Funny how they usually start drifting backwards even tho I am maintaining my speed....

of course - I can also laugh at them cuz I'm driving my Prius and paying less in gas each MONTH than those fools in their huge gas guzzling 4wheel drive behemoths pay each WEEK!

ASShats.

[npincus]

33. Ha! now THAT'S funny.

[Booster]

40. It was almost impossible to find anyone who voted for Nixon too.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. I'm waiting for when they blame Clinton for making them vote for Dubya.

You know it's coming. "If Clinton wouldn't have been so disgusting, I would have voted for Gore. I had no choice but to vote for George W. Bush." :eyes:

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. That can't be far behind.

[windy252]

64. I wish that wasn't plausible,

but it is.

[stanwyck]

43. Hey, remember to swallow the anger, and

greet our new brethren with acceptance. Forgive them. There are thousands of them now. Recovering Bushistas.
Be kind.

[Pacifist Patriot]

45. Hey, I've got several friends who have owned up to regret at voting...

for Bush. Regret and seeing the light I can tolerate. It's the lying that sends me over the edge, especially when I was the brunt of their derision two years ago for being practically the lone Kerry supporter in my neighborhood.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

73. No. thanks. I've run out of cheeks to turn.

[Atman]

46. One of my friends denies voting for Bush 2004

Even though everyone else in our circle was there with he and his wife at a party that November when they proudly declared that they both voted for him. We all remember it well because it started such big row...all the rest of our friends are definite democrats. It quickly devolved into a shouting match before it was broken up just in time.

Now he claims he one of those "libertarians"...claims he was never a republican. But he bitches about his wife who watches Fox News all the time and listens to Laura Inghram. She's still a proud Bush supporter. Funny thing is, these are NOT stupid people. Both are professionals with degrees from top colleges. But, and this is key...the both make a lot of money and have NO KIDS. When you have no kids, I think you tend to feel less invested in the future of anything but yourself. They both drive brand new Infinitis, for which he paid CASH. Just the two of them, and they live in a 4500 sq ft McMansion. And all they do is bitch about high taxes and that they have to pay to support everybody else.

Jeez...come to think of it, I'm not sure why we're friends, actually!

[Ilsa]

47. Cognitive dissonance and they are embarrassed about being fooled.

They can't bear the fact that they were lied to by their savior, W, and they were stupid enough to buy into all of his crap. But they are not better persons for this change of heart when they lie about it.

[SeattleRob]

57. et tu, wingnut?

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

[tsuki]

58. Reminds me of those that voted for Nixon. nt

[lonestarnot]

65. Fucking bastards!

[Jim Warren]

66. good thing

It's hard for people to fess up that they have had the wool pulled over their head. I have a bil who is in the same mold, he's having a hard time facing me with it 'cause he just fucking positively gloated with the repugs taking the WH, midterms of '02, and "beating the elites" in '04.

Fuck it, I welcome them back to sanity just happy they got well.

[Hissyspit]

69. Heh. n/t

[mikeybabe125]

70. man, my car is like...

the truth-mobile or something, i'll haveot take a pic.

I have the following eye-opening, thoubght-provoking stickers:

Ignorance is strength. (with Bush's face)

arrows pointing opposite directions (bush vs truth)

Had enough? Vote Democrat.

DFA.com

and last but not least, IMPEACH BUSH with a great american flag background.

I have no idea why I still see those damn W04 stickers around, perhaps it's because its TN... speaking of TN...

Bill Frist is already up to no good with my school, not my program, but still trying to getit cacnled so he can make money though a private crediting agency...

[Leopolds Ghost]

71. Don't call them on it NOW, silly; call them on it in 2008!

As for '06, it's fine if they stay home I guess.

[PATRICK]

72. At the same time

they should receive the other side of the blade and be reminded they will vote for the designated Republican no matter what button they push- or whether they bother to show or not. So who cares what they think? No one because their vote is predetermined. Something like Calvinistic predestination.

So if they tried to vote for Kerry, they didn't probably anyway.

[Quakerfriend]

74. I have always felt that the biggest difference between dems and

repugs is that the repugs lie REGULARLY! I sometimes wonder if it's a form of personality disorder or mental problem.

[King Coal]

75. It may be a strategic move to make it easy for them to flip-flop.

Shine them on.

[Patiod]

79. "I don't agree with Bush on everything. In fact...."

I'm more in line with (Colin Powell, Condi Rice, etc.)"

That's the line I'm hearing from my Republican friends and colleagues.

They're in no way lining up with us, but they're distancing themselves from Bush. Important distinction. We can't assume ANYTHING in the Fall, but reminding folks of a candidate's strong association with Bush can't hurt, either (Hello Little Ricky, are you listening?)

[Onlooker]

84. George McGovern also beat Nixon

I think it's Gallup that took a poll around the time that Nixon resigned, and the results showed that more people voted for McGovern than Nixon. It's a strange phenomenon.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. I saw a great bumper sticker..Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry.

I wonder if there is a HUGE market for it now!!!!!!!

[Ganja Ninja]

87. I knew this was going to happen too.

These people were living a lie all through the Clinton era. They never had any reason to bitch about Clinton. He did everything they only dream Saint Reagen did. He was the most fiscally responsible President in the last fifty years.

So really what's one more lie piled on top of the mountain of lies they've been living for 20 or 30 years. They've show what their vaunted "conservative" movement is all about. It's about being a winner for once in their lives. It's bandwagon jumping. It's thumbing your nose and saying "naa naa" at the loser to prove you're not one of them. So logically now that Bush is dropping like a stone in the polls they recant their earlier support.