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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:32 PM
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Saw my first "black helicopter" today. Actually a very dark flat
grey with no markings whatsoever. I was told it was a Blackhawk. Spoke to a number of people who were there and all agreed it had no markings at all.

Not comforting to know these things are flying around.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:35 PM
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1. I heard Alex Jones say one time
"People accuse me of talking about black helicopters all the time but then you look up and there they are!"

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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:35 PM
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2. I see a lot of military coptors around here.
I don't remember seeing markings on them, but I should look closer. I'm fairly near a military base.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:39 PM
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3. Most military helicopters have discreet markings that are hard to make out
Edited on Thu May-04-06 04:39 PM by Cooley Hurd
...from the ground. :)
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:25 PM
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11. It was on the ground. I was maybe thirty yards away. n/t
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:29 PM
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14. I know it's hard to tell, but they're VERY discreet...


:hi:
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:51 PM
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4. You're being watched. George Bush knows you post at DU, and he's
ordered one to follow you around, because you aren't just like him. And that's bad.

Get out your tin foil hat, and be on your best behavior! :sarcasm:

:tinfoilhat:
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:52 PM
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5. yes, they are impressive - but not nearly so as the apache'
the two person gunnships...I have a brother-in-law that was able to let me sit on the high fender of one while the pilot was checking out the equipment before takeoff. It was bloody amazing. and the materials they are made of is so lightweight and durable... but, they are one hellava killing maching...a pilot and a gunner and the ammo is huge. the helmets control everything, turning your head controls all the cameras and scopes and just pull the trigger....effin amazing...

then the pilot took of (it was at night) and did a couple of bow maneuvers to me and took off...I was so thrilled and will never forget it, but believe me when I say, THEY ARE ONE FU***NG KILLING MACHINE...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:51 PM
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18. THEY ARE ONE FU***NG KILLING MACHINE...
Yeah, I guess it's just too bad those killing machines will be killing innocent men, woman and children and causing horrendous birth defects and unspeakable human suffering with their depleted uranium ammo for years after the helicopters themselves are nothing more than scrap metal. How impressive.


Depleted Uranium Dust - Public Health Disaster For The People Of Iraq and Afghanistan

By Douglas Westerman

SNIP

Dr. Jawad Al-Ali (55), director of the Oncology Center at the largest hospital in Basra, Iraq stated, at a recent ( 2003) conference in Japan:

"Two strange phenomena have come about in Basra which I have never seen before. The first is double and triple cancers in one patient. For example, leukemia and cancer of the stomach. We had one patient with 2 cancers - one in his stomach and kidney. Months later, primary cancer was developing in his other kidney--he had three different cancer types. The second is the clustering of cancer in families. We have 58 families here with more than one person affected by cancer. Dr Yasin, a general Surgeon here has two uncles, a sister and cousin affected with cancer. Dr Mazen, another specialist, has six family members suffering from cancer. My wife has nine members of her family with cancer".

"Children in particular are susceptible to DU poisoning. They have a much higher absorption rate as their blood is being used to build and nourish their bones and they have a lot of soft tissues. Bone cancer and leukemia used to be diseases affecting them the most, however, cancer of the lymph system which can develop anywhere on the body, and has rarely been seen before the age of 12 is now also common.",

"We were accused of spreading propaganda for Saddam before the war. When I have gone to do talks I have had people accuse me of being pro-Saddam. Sometimes I feel afraid to even talk. Regime people have been stealing my data and calling it their own, and using it for their own agendas. The Kuwaitis banned me from entering Kuwait - we were accused of being Saddam supporters."

John Hanchette, a journalism professor at St. Bonaventure University, and one of the founding editors of USA TODAY related the following to DU researcher Leuren Moret. He stated that he had prepared news breaking stories about the effects of DU on Gulf War soldiers and Iraqi citizens, but that each time he was ready to publish, he received a phone call from the Pentagon asking him not to print the story. He has since been replaced as editor of USA TODAY.

Dr. Keith Baverstock, The World Health Organization's chief expert on radiation and health for 11 years and author of an unpublished study has charged that his report " on the cancer risk to civilians in Iraq from breathing uranium contaminated dust " was also deliberately suppressed.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12903.htm



The use of depleted uranium in munitions and weaponry is likely to come under intense scrutiny now that new research that found that uranium can bind to human DNA. The finding will likely have far-reaching implications for returned soldiers, civilians living in what were once war-zones and people who might live near uranium mines or processing facilities.

Uranium - when manifested as a radioactive metal - has profound and debilitating effects on human DNA. These radioactive effects have been well understood for decades, but there has been considerable debate and little agreement concerning the possible health risks associated with low-grade uranium ore (yellowcake) and depleted uranium.

Now however, Northern Arizona University biochemist Diane Stearns has established that when cells are exposed to uranium, the uranium binds to DNA and the cells acquire mutations, triggering a whole slew of protein replication errors, some of which can lead to various cancers. Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its radioactive properties. "Essentially, if you get a heavy metal stuck on DNA, you can get a mutation," Stearns explained. While other heavy metals are known to bind to DNA, Stearns and her team were the first to identify this characteristic with uranium.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060307010324data_trunc_sys.shtml



Presentation on Depleted Uranium in Iraq by Thomas Fasy MD PhD

Dr. Fasy is an Associate Clinical Professor of Pathology at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City. He has longstanding interests in carcinogenesis and environmental toxicology. In the past two years, he has lectured at conferences and university campuses on the toxic effects of inhaling uranium oxide dusts derived from depleted uranium weapons.

<SNIP>

By the early 1900s, uranium was well recognized to be a kidney toxin. By the mid-1940s, uranium was known to be a neurotoxin. By the early 1970s, uranium was recognized to be a carcinogen based on mortality studies of uranium workers and on experiments with dogs and monkeys. The first evidence that uranyl ions bind to DNA was reported in 1949 and by the early 1990s, uranium was shown to be a mutagen. Also, in the early 1990s, uranium was shown to be a teratogen, that is, an inducer of birth defects. The toxic effects of uranium on the kidney and on the nervous system typically occur within days of exposure and radiation probably plays little or no role in mediating these effects. In contrast, the carcinogenic effects of uranium have a delayed onset. The teratogenic effects of uranium might be due to exposure of one parent prior to conception as well as to exposure of the mother to uranium early in pregnancy.

Now let us briefly consider the routes of exposure to uranium. In the context of the dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons, this means exposure to uranium oxides. By far the most dangerous route of exposure to uranium oxides is the inhalational or respiratory route. Absorption of uranium oxides through the gastrointestinal tract, the skin and the conjunctivae is possible but quite limited.

<SNIP>

Soil particles contain uranium at very low concentrations, typically less than 5 parts per million; the vast majority of these soil particles, however, are too large to be inhaled deep into the lungs. In contrast, the dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons contain very high concentrations of uranium, typically more than 500.000 parts per million; moreover, most of the D.U. dust particles are sufficiently small to be inhaled deep into the lungs. Thus, compared to the uranium naturally present in the environment, D.U. dust contains uranium in a form that is vastly more bio-available and more readily internalized.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4124449
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:55 PM
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6. EMC Corporation has a beautiful black corporate helicopter..
it's shiny and pretty.

When I'd see it go by, I'd think of Hotblack Desiato's stuntship.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:12 PM
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21. I often feel the need to spend a year "dead" for tax purposes! - n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:00 PM
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7. *shrug*
Blackhawks are usually a kind of dark grey, depending on their mission profile. It can be very, very hard to make out the markings on those.

People who imagine unmarked helicopters are vehicles do not, in my opinion, understand the government, particularly the military. If it's not marked it can't be inventoried, if it can't be inventoried it can't be kept track of. There are markings. They may be hard to see but they're there. Otherwise, why wouldn't whoever is piloting and/or maintaining that unmarked helicopter just steal it (or at least most of its parts)?

Also, as someone pointed out above, lots of nervous CEOs buy military-model helicopters and paint them black or grey.

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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:22 PM
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10. The grey ones are mostly USN ones and are properly called Seahawks
There is some differences between them and the Army Blackhawks to tailor them to sea based missions.

The flat/no reflective color schemes are to minimize visual detection outside of hearing range. They are all marked, but its not real visible at a distance.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:47 PM
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17. *shrug* again
I was in the Corps. We rode Sea Knights and occasionally Sea Stallions or something like that. Then we rode the Osprey back when that was the generals' favorite way of killing enlisted Marines.

Which reminds me of the joke:
Each branch of the service has a different name for helicopters.
The Army calls them choppers
The Navy calls them birds
The Air Force calls them targets
The Marines call them "Look look look at the whirly flying thing!"

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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 09:04 PM
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22. Don't fornet the Huey
In its latest incarnation (UH-1Y) it now has 4 blades (no more whopti-whopti sound), rivals the Seahawk for load and range and is quite a bit cheaper.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:27 PM
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12. Oh, please. Who the heck do you think you're talking to?
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:29 PM
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13. My point is it could land in your yard and take you away and
no one could describe anything but a dark grey helicopter, no tail numbers or visible indentification whatever. Or, it could fly over your house and watch your wife sunbathing nude (if you have a wife like that).

My car has a serial number on the dashboard, so why should I need a license plate?
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:06 PM
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8. Are there any cattle mutilations in the area
They seem to be connected to these black helicopters.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:37 PM
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15. I thought it was crop circles. I want a "discreet" license plate so
Edited on Thu May-04-06 05:39 PM by rzemanfl
I can flip off bushies and then vanish.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:42 PM
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16. Man that's for sure and brings to mind of all the mutilations in
Edited on Thu May-04-06 06:11 PM by 0007
the San Luis Valley in Colorado during the 70's.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:04 PM
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19. Turns out those were the work of a band of overly territorial sheep,
one of whom had pilot's training and a really cool pair of goggles... ;)

Actually, we have had some sightings of such helicopters where I live. There are also cattle, sheep AND a most interesting FBI instillation involving high tech communications monitoring equipment.

Just happened to be by our air strip last spring about this time when a corporate jet (damned discreet markings on that puppy too) came in. I took a young pal to watch it land, planes being a rare thing here. The pilot and one passenger asked if I was their 'contact transportation'. When the 90 Pound Hound decided to sit up in the car and let them know I had protection, they backed up and started with a lot of nervous, swarmy small talk. Most interesting.

They did, by the way, get a ride and headed out to the afore mentioned, well fenced equipment station. I raced home with the info of the markings and such that were barely visible on the plane. We did a bit of research and yes, indeedy, that plane belonged to a corporation which does high tech communication applications.

:shrug: We all know calls have been monitored for about 10 years here. They tend to do that after FBI standoffs I hear. ;)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:10 PM
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9. Did it have the KISS insignia on the side of it?
:o
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:07 PM
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20. There's a big green tree out my window.
It's got lots of big green leaves and a thick brown trunk. I think my tree is a maple.
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