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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:42 PM
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"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"
When the Anti-Choice Choose
By Joyce Arthur



'From a clinic director in a mid-western state: "One of the most remarkable cases was a woman who came and said she was the Right-to-Life president in her county. 'But,' she said, she 'had become pregnant and had to have an abortion.'"'

'The medical director of an Indianapolis clinic recalled one prospective patient who phoned to ask whether the clinic had a back door. He said no. How, she asked, could she get inside without being seen by fellow picketers outside? Pointing out that two orthopedists practiced with him, the doctor told the woman "she could limp and say she was coming to see the orthopods."

'"The sister of a Dutch bishop in Limburg once visited the abortion clinic in Beek where I used to work in the seventies. After entering the full waiting room she said to me, 'My dear Lord, what are all those young girls doing here?' 'Same as you', I replied. 'Dirty little dames,' she said." (Physician, The Netherlands)''

'"In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the 'antis' by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular 'sidewalk counselor' went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter's situation had caused her to change her mind. 'I don't expect you to understand my daughter's situation!' she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to 'murder their babies.'" (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)'

More here:


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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:48 PM
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1. Several of my friends here who are in their mid 40's like me
had abortions. I never have. Guess who they voted for? And, they both have daughters.

The hypocrisy is stunning.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:56 PM
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7. I know someone like that, too. It does boggle the mind.
This person has taken advantage of the right-to-choose more than once, but now considers herself a Republican, even though she doesn't have a clue as to what that means. She votes Republican because her husband votes Republican and also thinks the Bushes are all excellent, accomplished people. :crazy:
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:50 PM
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2. Are we all very clear on this, now, lurking freeps?

Very, very, clear?

K&R
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:51 PM
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3. They won't get it. Did you read what I wrote above you?
Their hypocrisy leaves me speechless and that is no easy task.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:52 PM
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4. I'm just gaping.

How can their heads be so TWISTED? Why don't their heads just fall off in halves?

>shakes head in amazement<
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:58 PM
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8. It stuns me.
AND, they justify it by saying 'well, I wouldn't be where I am now'.

God forbid someone else have the ability to make the same choice they did.

And, I don't believe that they are remorseful at all. That is not what is driving their holier than thou attitude. THAT, frankly, I might be able to accept.

It is because the religious right has told them it was wrong....unless it was for them.

I did ask them what would happen if either of their daughters got pregnant. You can guess the answer. Straight to the clinic. "So they could continue their lives", because they are going to make SUCH an important difference in the world, unlike all the rest of us pro-choicers.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:07 PM
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11. :-0

Guh...

What do they imagine is the difference? Are you saying, essentially, that they think non-Christians should have more children than them? That non-Christians should be PUNISHED with MOTHERHOOD? That they should be punished with the burden of making MORE non-Christians?

I can't add up how many kinds of "Doesn't make SEEEEEEEEnse,"

:wtf:

What IS this?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:26 PM
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14. Amazing. There are ALWAYS
"MITIGATING" circumstances for themselves.

I remember hearing someone (repuke) looking around
my hotel room once and saying "Well its fine for YOU...

But....."

Empathy-impaired, self-important hypocrites.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:59 PM
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9. Abortions have been here since there were sticks and uterii
Legal or illegal, they will continue ... if a woman/girl makes the decision that she does not want to be pregnant, they will move heaven and earth to "get rid of it"..

The talking point that women just wake up one day and want to wear a bikini, so they get an abortion for vanity's sake, is just NONSENSE!
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:54 PM
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5. I've seen this before...
the only problem is that it is what they call 'anecdotal evidence.' I wish we could have some hard evidence, like pictures and things. Unfortunately, that would be intimidating to the girls and women who go there.

Given the whole body of work propagated by those on the right, the stories are very believable. I consider them all to be hypocrits.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:08 PM
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12. I find it hard
to even be civil when someone is trying to push their anti-choice agenda down my throat. They think they are above what the rest of us are vulnerable to and truly do believe they are special. Special people - special rules. It just makes me sick.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:54 PM
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6. When I first read this
it was like a hitting a home run. I've been saying this for years.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:01 PM
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10. they are tying the noose around their necks....and it will hang them
they are unforgiving of women who make the choice to abort, but when they find themselves in the same situation they know that they can't be caught being a "hussy" so they abort in order to retain their social standing and their "air" of superiority....

It may be that when their daughters are hemorrhaging in their bathroom from an illegal procedure that the "light will finally" go on in their small heads.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:24 PM
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13. those who support choice & privacy don't broadcast their
personal experiences...which is understandable. It's VERY Private. But the hypocracy these women display is astonishing.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:41 PM
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15. I'm going to be a bit blunt here
Personally, I think life starts at conception. I think abortion is, therefore, a form of murder.

And I want the right to choose whether or not I murder something that is growing in my body. I have not had to do it. If I did, I know it would be with me forever, but at least I'd have a forever. And I would deal with it.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:43 PM
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16. You know what?
I watched Alien this weekend. :rofl: (Sorry, it was the "murder something that is growing in my body" that got me chuckling.)
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:44 PM
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17. heheheh
well, in a sense they ARE little aliens and in a body that is too young, too old, too sick, too fat, too thin, they can have the same devastating consequences.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Would you mind explaining why
you think life begins at conception?

After doing a study of the Bible I came to the opposite conclusion, so I'm just curious.


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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:07 PM
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19. Basically because I can't
put any other moment in time or event that is as momentous as the sperm meeting up with the egg. I know there are other benchmarks, like attaching to the uterus, mother feeling life, pain receptor development, breathing on its own, etc. But to me that one simple act where the two separate pieces of dna join, that is THE moment.

However I'm not out with a placard attempting others to see it that way.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:15 PM
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21. I see it as this:
in the first trimester, they're essentially parasites. they could not live without their host - no matter what. then they contiue to be parasites until they're about 22, but back to the fetuses: There's not a singular moment where the dependency stops, because life is more of a process, and technology just may keep pushing that point further back.


I'm just glad I'm a guy and never have to make a decision like that.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. My daughter has a six month old
who is still a parasite. If she isn't breastfeeding her, she is attached to her hip!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:36 PM
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24. What I don't get
is how this MOMENTOUS MOMENT squares with the FACT that a large percentage of them get flushed as unviable. A miscarriage (WHAT A REFERENCE!) is OK and garners so much sympathy. It seems that it's only when a woman makes a CHOICE that controversy ensues... :shrug:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:49 PM
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29. Not to mention
all the ones that just don't implant and dissolve.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:40 PM
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35. I don't think "life beginning" is the relevant point.

*Life* certainly begins when the sperm meets the egg, but murder isn't killing a living being, it's killing a person.

Your right to life comes from your mind, not your genes, I think.

The defining characteristic of a person is self-awareness, which developes gradually. I think that killing a sufficiently self-aware being *is* murder and should be illegal, but until the foetus becomes more self-aware I don't think abortion is murder. I'd put the boundary at around about the sixth month mark, but I'm far from certain of that.

I think that in certain circumstances abortion should be legal even after that, but only in cases of e.g. medical emergency, severe diability/deformity etc, and that it should be recognised that aborting a foetus that late is a much worse thing to do than aborting one earlier.




Incidentally, I don't think this is consistent with Christian teaching - my understanding of that is that the Bible teaches that the defining property of a human is a soul, which does enter the body at the moment of conception, and not the mind, and as such abortion is murder and banned under the relevant commandment. If I *were* a Christian, I'd probably regard abortion as morally equivalent to any other murder and want it criminalised as such, I think.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:02 PM
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36. i don't think that is correct -- are you sure?
my understanding is that not until a child can breathe on it's own is it a full being.

it's greek paganism that has life beginning at conception - you know soul in the sperm and all that.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:29 PM
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52. Where does the Bible say
"Bible teaches that the defining property of a human is a soul, which does enter the body at the moment of conception"?

I've never seen it and I've read the Bible cover to cover a number of times.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:14 PM
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20. Out of curiosity, what part of the bible led you to believe that life...
Edited on Mon May-08-06 05:48 PM by JVS
starts later?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:26 PM
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51. A couple of things.
First of all, in the Old Testament there was a greater punishment for striking a pregnant woman and killing her than striking her and causing a miscarriage, which leads me to believe that the life of the mother IS more important than the life of an unborn child.

Also, the Bible says in the NT that "life is in the blood". A fetus does not have it's own blood supply.

Adam became a living human when God "breathed life into him."

It's not any one thing by itself, it's just what I felt was an overall theme.

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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:32 PM
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23. A tough subject
especially when it comes to choosing what we will say about it. It's a topic that puts a lot of us back in line with the "Means Girls" at high school vying for popularity and friendship. Our hearts say one thing - our lips says another.

The first time I read your post the word murder over-shadowed the sentiment that I believe was behind your reply. I had to re-read it to see that you are proponent of choice. I wonder why you chose to state it the way you did - qualifying the life of the fetus in such strong words before stating your position? I'm just curious.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. I think that using the plain word
"murder," that cultural taboo, emphasizes my feelings about choice. Because so often we hear "but it's murder!" And I say, "Yes, it is. I still want the choice."
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:26 PM
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33. Thanks for clarifying
My own sister makes statements that confuse me. She is pro-choice but, I believe, she votes republican. Not really my business. She thinks she will be "judged" for an abortion she had as a teen. Again, not my business but...I don't know - I guess I'm trying to see things from her POV. She proclaims "judgment" so loudly and then speaks "choice" out of the corner of her mouth. That I am a democrat and also have no belief in god clearly puts me at a disadvantage to even have a conversation with her.

btw - my 3 children are my life.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:33 PM
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34. No easy answers to this one
I do believe that if I commit murder, for no matter what reason, and I truly repent, I will be forgiven. At least that is what I was taught.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. Fair enough. But at least you understand
that some people have few options, and that its not your place to decide if they can or not.

:hi:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:54 PM
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31. And I can tell you
that if I were to get pregnant tomorrow and it would not be impossible as I still have high estrogen levels, I would do it in an instant. My health, my family... all would be disadvantaged, possibly destroyed. And I get to decide. Now, I believe I would grieve quite a bit, perhaps because I've been blessed with healthy children and grandchildren. But I want to stay around to see them grow up.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:20 PM
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22. check out this one
"Recently, we had a patient who had given a history of being a 'pro-life' activist, but who had decided to have an abortion. She was pleasant to me and our initial discussion was mutually respectful. Later, she told someone on my staff that she thought abortion is murder, that she is a murderer, and that she is murdering her baby. So before doing her procedure, I asked her if she thought abortion is murder -- the answer was yes. I asked her if she thought I am a murderer, and if she thought I would be murdering her baby, and she said yes. But murder is a crime, and murderers are executed. Is this a crime? Well, it should be, she said. At that point, she became angry and hostile, and the summary of the conversation was that she regarded me as an abortion-dispensing machine, and how dare I ask her what she thinks. After explaining to her that I do not perform abortions for people who think I am a murderer or people who are angry at me, I declined to provide her with medical care. I do not know whether she found someone else to do her abortion." (Physician, Colorado)
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:39 PM
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26. LMAO
:rofl:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:42 PM
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27. Three years ago I read a story and posted it here about
these women who were anti-choice and protested regularly. The article spoke very favorably of them (sadly, they didn't deserve any praise).

One thing that really struck me and caught my attention, though:

One of the leaders was quoted as saying that she realized abortion was immoral and wrong and should not be allowed "when I felt my fourth child kicking inside me". And she didn't have any kids! She had three abortions before realizing that abortion was murder and should be banned in all cases, all circumstances, for everyone!

:wtf:
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:55 PM
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32. In Dallas, A Clinic Operator Once Said...
The former head of the Routh Street clinic in Dallas once said that anti-abortion activists were against abortion except in the cases of rape, incest, the life of the mother, and their own personal circumstances. I'm fascinated to know that such attitudes are also found outside the Lone Star State.

I also hope such hypocrites get caught by those right-wing creeps who photograph clinic patients, then post their faces on their "Nuremberg File"-like web sites.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:44 PM
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37. Wouldn't that be fun?
But the problem with all right-wing creeps is that they manage to justify damn near everything one of theirs does. They believe they are the chosen, don't forget.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:58 PM
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44. IOKIYAAR. (eom)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:58 PM
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38. These are women I really really pity because they have such problems
Yes, some women do have psych problems after abortions, and these are they (mostly). For this I pity them. I do not understand them or condone their behavior, but I do pity them.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:32 AM
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45. Women Who Are Troubled After Abortion Were Troubled BEFORE Abortion
Abortion doesn't affect well-being, study says

New York Times (as printed in the San Jose Mercury 2/12/97)

Abortion does not trigger lasting emotional trauma in young women who
are psychologically healthy before they become pregnant, an eight-year
study of nearly 5,300 women has shown. Women who are in poor shape
emotionally after an abortion are likely to have been feeling bad about
their lives before terminating their pregnancies, the researchers said.

The findings, the researchers say, challenge the validity of laws
that have been proposed in many states, and passed in several, mandating
that women seeking abortions be informed of mental health risks.

The researchers, Dr. Nancy Felipe Russo, a psychologist at Arizona
State University in Tempe, and Dr. Amy Dabul Marin, a psychologist at
Phoenix College, examined the effects of race and religion on the
well-being of 773 women who reported on sealed questionnaires that
they had undergone abortions, and they compared the results with the
emotional status of women who did not report abortions.

The women, initially 14 to 24 years old, completed questionnaires and
were interviewed each year for eight years, starting in 1979. In 1980
and in 1987, the interview also included a standardized test that
measures overall well-being, the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale.

"Given the persistent assertion that abortion is associated with
negative outcomes, the lack of any results in the context of such a
large sample is noteworthy," the researchers wrote. The study took
into account many factors that can influence a woman's emotional
well-being, including education, employment, income, the presence of
a spouse and the number of children.

Higher self-esteem was associated with being employed, having a
higher income, having more years of education and bearing fewer children,
but having had an abortion "did not make a difference," the researchers
reported. And the women's religious affiliations and degree of involvement
with religion did not have an independent effect on their long-term
reaction to abortion. Rather, the women's psychological well-being before
having abortions accounted for their mental state in the years after the
abortion, the researchers said.


In considering the influence of race, the researchers again found
that the women's level of self-esteem before having abortions was the
strongest predictor of their well-being after an abortion.

"Although highly religious Catholic women were slightly more likely
to exhibit post-abortion psychological distress than other women, this
fact is explained by lower pre-existing self-esteem," the researchers
wrote in the current issue of Professional Psychology: Research and
Practice, a journal of the American Psychological Association.

Overall, Catholic women who attended church one or more times a week,
even those who had not had abortions, had generally lower self-esteem
than other women, although within the normal range, so it was hardly
surprising that they also had lower self-esteem after abortions, the
researchers said in interviews.


The Relationship of Abortion to Well-being: Do Race and Religion Make a Difference?
Nancy Felipe Russo and Amy J. Dabul
Professional Psychology, Research and Practice, 1997, Vol. 28, No , 23-31

Relationships of abortion and childbearing to well-being were examined for 1,189 Black and 3,147 White women. Education, income, and having a work role were positively and independently related to well-being for all women. Abortion did not have an independent relationship to well-being, regardless of race or religion, when well-being before becoming pregnant was controlled. These findings suggest professional psychologists should explore the origins of women's mental health problems in experiences predating their experience of abortion, and they can assist psychologists in working to ensure that mandated scripts from 'informed consent' legislation do not misrepresent scientific findings.


RUSSO, NANCY FELIPE
ZIERK, K.
Abortion, Childbearing, and Women's Well-Being
Professional Psychology, Research and Practice 23 (1992): 269-280. Also, http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/psy_research5.asp
Cohort(s): NLSY79
ID Number: 4029
Publisher: American Psychological Association (APA)

This study is based on a secondary analysis of NLSY interview data from 5,295 women who were interviewed annually from 1979 to 1987. Among this group 773 women were identified in 1987 as having at least one abortion, with 233 of them reporting repeat abortions. Well-being was assessed in 1980 and 1987 by the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale. The researchers used analysis of variance (ANOVA) and multiple regression to examine the combined and separate contributions of preabortion self-esteem, contextual variables (education, employment, income, and marital status), childbearing (being a parent, numbers of wanted and unwanted children) and abortion (having one abortion, having repeat abortions, number of abortions, time since last abortion) to women's post abortion self-esteem




Most Women Do Not Feel Distress, Regret After Undergoing Abortion, Study Says



   The majority of women who choose to have legal abortions do not experience regret or long-term negative emotional effects from their decision to undergo the procedure, according to a study published in the June issue of the journal Social Science & Medicine, NewsRx.com/Mental Health Weekly Digest reports. Dr. A. Kero and colleagues in the Department of Clinical Sciences, Obstetrics and Gynecology at University Hospital in Umea, Sweden, interviewed 58 women at periods of four months and 12 months after the women's abortions. The women also answered a questionnaire prior to their abortions that asked about their living conditions, decision-making processes and general attitudes toward the pregnancy and the abortion. According to the study, most women "did not experience any emotional distress post-abortion"; however, 12 of the women said they experienced severe distress immediately after the procedure. Almost all of the women said they felt little distress at the one-year follow-up interview. The women who said they experienced no post-abortion distress had indicated prior to the procedure that they opted not to give birth because they "prioritized work, studies, and/or existing children," according to the study. According to the researchers, "almost all" of the women said the abortion was a "relief or a form of taking responsibility," and more than half of the women said they experienced positive emotional experiences after the abortion such as "mental growth and maturity of the abortion process" (NewsRx.com/Mental Health Weekly Digest, 7/12).

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=24751

The psychological sequelae of therapeutic abortion--denied and completed

PK Dagg
Department of Psychiatry, Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto, Ont., Canada.

OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this article is to review the available literature on the psychological sequelae of therapeutic abortion, addressing both the issue of the effects of the abortion on the woman involved and the effects on the woman and on the child born when abortion is denied. METHOD: Papers reviewed were initially selected by using a Medline search. This procedure resulted in 225 papers being reviewed, which were further selected by limiting the papers to those reporting original research. Finally, studies were assessed as to whether or not they used control groups or objective, validated symptom measures. RESULTS: Adverse sequelae occur in a minority of women, and when such symptoms occur, they usually seem to be the continuation of symptoms that appeared before the abortion and are on the wane immediately after the abortion. Many women denied abortion show ongoing resentment that may last for years, while children born when the abortion is denied have numerous, broadly based difficulties in social, interpersonal, and occupational functions that last at least into early adulthood. CONCLUSIONS: With increasing pressure on access to abortion services in North America, nonpsychiatrist physicians and mental health professionals need to keep in mind the effects of both performing and denying therapeutic abortion. Increased research into these areas, focusing in particular on why some women are adversely affected by the procedure and clarifying the relationship issues involved, continues to be important.
Am J Psychiatry 1991; 148:578-585
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/148/5/578


Psychological sequelae of medical and surgical abortion at 10-13 weeks gestation.

Ashok PW, Hamoda H, Flett GM, Kidd A, Fitzmaurice A, Templeton A.

From the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of Aberdeen, Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, Aberdeen, UK.

Background. Although not much research comparing the emotional distress following medical and surgical abortion is available, few studies have compared psychological sequelae following both methods of abortion early in the first trimester of pregnancy. The aim of this review was to assess the psychological sequelae and emotional distress following medical and surgical abortion at 10-13 weeks gestation. Methods. Partially randomized patient preference trial in a Scottish Teaching Hospital was conducted. The hospital anxiety and depression scales were used to assess emotional distress. Anxiety levels were also assessed using visual analog scales while semantic differential rating scales were used to measure self-esteem. A total of 368 women were randomized, while 77 entered the preference cohort. Results. There were no significant differences in hospital anxiety and depression scales scores for anxiety or depression between the groups. Visual analog scales showed higher anxiety levels in women randomized to surgery prior to abortion (P < 0.0001), while women randomized to surgical treatment were less anxious after abortion (P < 0.0001). Semantic differential rating scores showed a fall in self-esteem in the randomized medical group compared to those undergoing surgery (P = 0.02). Conclusions. Medical abortion at 10-13 weeks is effective and does not increase psychological morbidity compared to surgical vacuum aspiration and hence should be made available to all women undergoing abortion at these gestations.
Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand. 2005 Aug;84(8):761-6.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16026402&dopt=Citation
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:58 PM
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39. Their people lable them whores if they are discovered pregnant
The movement as a whole should seriously look at their hypocrisy. If they could be more supportive of women who have found themselves in a difficult preganancy situation rather than condemning her, perhaps they would prevent more abortions than screaming at women entering abortion clinics.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:43 PM
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41. They never will.
Edited on Mon May-08-06 08:56 PM by dancingAlone
It is a male based movement with namby-pamby women followers who either 1.) believe this shit they are being told or 2.) believe it doesn't apply to them. If you've ever looked into one of these women's eyes you've probably witnessed the void. There really is no one home.

edit: to add that I'm speaking about the women that get up in your face with the giant signs of aborted fetuses.

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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:41 PM
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40. Everyone should have to live by rules they would impose on others
Problem with hypocrites is that they love to tell you how to live but no rule ever applies to them.

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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:52 PM
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42. Is that a quote from the article?
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:05 PM
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43. Yes
The paper consists of many quotes by different doctors and clinicians.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:47 AM
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46. F**cking hypocrites!
I used to be pro life and I still am.....PERSONALLY. I realized that my right to choose not to have an abortion made me really pro choice. In my heart I feel it's murder but it's my heart and I have no right to dictate to anyone else how to conduct their personal choices.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:54 AM
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49. We need more like you.
:yourock:
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:48 AM
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47. To me, abortion is much more moral than having an unwanted child.
And I'm not particularly in favor of abortion, either.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:03 AM
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50. Anyone who truly values life
would agree.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:51 AM
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48. See also---
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