American Citizens are in the largest Spy Database Ever Assembled in World!

[KoKo]

from the USA TODAY article...

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.

The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.

The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the NSA program is secret.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

[bullimiami]

1. are these so called conservatives still ok with bush spying and lying.

only with a warrant. LIE.
only on foreign calls. LIE
limited in number. LIE
only on terror suspects. LIE
not on american citizens. LIE

LIES all LIES.

After impeachment there is only one place for these criminals for the first time in our history virtually an entire administration. president, vp and most of executive branch needs to be sent to prison.

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. Republicans have lot of s'plaining to doo.

[FSogol]

2. Wow, the NSA will probably be able to tell who's gonna to win Amer. Idol

:sarcasm:

[sweetheart]

3. remember, the enemy is us

There is no representation in a dictatorship,
and all they've to fear is the wrath of the mob.

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[MindPilot]

6. That's for damn sure

Except for the godless part. God is the one thing they got way too much of. And I'd like to add stupid, abysmally stupid.

[No New War]

8. They might think they have God,

but any God with sense would have abandoned them years ago.

[MindPilot]

12. Which to me is just more proof there is no god

A deity with any sense of decency would not have created them in the first place.

[fishnfla]

5. Someone needs to explain this data-mining thing

Does this come out of statistical analysis or some sort of marketing science?

I'd bet those phone companies are using it to rig rates and fees too.

[sweetheart]

7. statistical checking

Its like doing a jigsaw puzzle by testing every single piece
in every possible position without looking at the pieces,
something way tooo long for a human to do, but data mining
can bother crunching such triviality... and it would be able
to printout every relationship in the united states, pretty
much, figuring that your household calling records reflect the
networks of people you know, and their records, theirs, the
resulting map, over years, would show every interrelationship
of interests, just by the calls, not by the data.

[KoKo]

16. And what companies contributed to designing the software for this

datamining and storage? They should be culpable, too. I just noticed that tech stocks took a dive on the Stock Market today. Odd, isn't it. High flyers like Broadcom, etc.

Remember those little "chips" in our cellphones which monitor our calls.

:-(

[NightOwwl]

22. This type of software has been in existence for years.

It could very well be that whoever was involved in the design had no idea their program would be used like this.

And are you going to hold culpable the designers of the operating system application runs on? The printers that print the data? The hardware that holds the data?

I don't think so.

[MindPilot]

9. these telecom companies are subverting the Constitution

That makes them guilty of TREASON. I want them charged. But will there be any lawmaker out there with the balls to do or even say that? Of course not, our representatives represent the corporations, not us.

[KoKo]

11. They are in violation of the US Telecommunications Act....here

from the USA Today article....

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From the USA TODAY ARTICLE.....THIS IS THE LAW:
The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered.

The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be stiff. The Federal Communications Commission, the nation's top telecommunications regulatory agency, can levy fines of up to $130,000 per day per violation, with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The FCC has no hard definition of "violation." In practice, that means a single "violation" could cover one customer or 1 million.

In the case of the NSA's international call-tracking program, Bush signed an executive order allowing the NSA to engage in eavesdropping without a warrant. The president and his representatives have since argued that an executive order was sufficient for the agency to proceed. Some civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, disagree.

More at........
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_...

[magellan]

10. If it's okay for BushCo to collect this information on us

...then it must be okay for us to collect this information on THEM.

What do you think the reaction would be if we all sent letters to the phone companies of our beloved leaders, requesting records of every call they'd made since 2001?

[kestrel91316]

13. Very good idea! You should do an original post with this, maybe it will

grow legs.

[magellan]

14. Done :-) (nt)

[bdamomma]

18. just a question

how useful would it be, if we all started to call the WH and ask him to leave. Overload the system. just wondering.

[DeadManInc]

15. Need a major class action suit against the phone companies.

[KoKo]

17. CNN reported that Bushies are fighting the Class Action suit against ATT

which was filed when the first NSA spying reports came out. This should give a good boost to the Class Action suit and I'll bet that other class action suits will be filed against Bell South and the others. It might even make for one GIANT CLASS ACTION SUIT that the the Bushies will not be able to fight. Meaning eventually he goes down over this if he doesn't go down for other crimes.

[bdamomma]

19. BUSH CORPORATE BUDDIES

will go after him, could be interesting.

[ComerPerro]

20. I'm considering answering all my cell phone calls now with

"Hello, fuck President Bush and the NSA."

[Supersedeas]

21. land of the no so free and dreadfully compliant

[C_U_L8R]

24. Just imagine all the freeper calls

to phone-sex lines that are recorded on NSA black boxes...
just begging to be blackmailed by Bush and his gang.

[Critters2]

25. Hehehee

:spray: