I am not interested in "discussing" whether or not gay couples should be

[Thtwudbeme]

allowed to marry.

In fact, I am shocked that there are DUers that think this could possibly be an issue with more than one side.

As far as I am concerned, Non-hetero unions and marriages SHOULD have been the damned norm decades ago.

How could anyone, anyone at all in their right mind deny our citizens their civil rights?

And what the HELL is up with Howard Dean on this issue??? He wants to attract the Christian Right? I don't; I want to repel them. I want those weirdos as far away from me, and any organization I am a member of, as possible.

They can kiss my sweet white hetero ass.

AND furthermore, if a church gets any tax breaks, or accepts ANY federal or state or county or city money for any reason whatsoever under this new faith based horseshit, then they should be required to perform the wedding ceremonies happily.

[pagam]

1. Here, Here

Right on Bro, I'm with you.

[Thtwudbeme]

2. Well, I am a girl

but, that's OK.

[pagam]

3. ooops

well YOU GO GIRL !!!!!!

[RagingInMiami]

11. Well in that case

Turn around

[SharonAnn]

10. "Equal Rights under the law!". Civil contracts for partnership marriage

should be available for any two people. Period. No religious interference should apply.

Whether or not churches are willing to perform religious weddings and recognize them as religious marriages is for each church to decide. No government interference should apply.

Gov. Dean used to say "Equal rights under the law" when asked about gay marriage. I still think it's the best response. It frames the issue better than anything else. "Equal" is "Equal".

[Thtwudbeme]

19. Churches that accept ANY money from local, state or federal better put up

or shut the fuck up.

Sorry. And they better look happy as hell while they are performing those ceremonies too, for that matter.

[MuseRider]

4. I'm with you.

:applause:

How in the world did anyone ever think that we could peel off enough of the Christian Right to offset the loss of a community who has been so supportive of this party? Not only financially but in terms of groundwork as well. So we get a couple of fundie votes? They might vote for the dems but I don't see them spending a great deal of money for us or the time on the streets but we are going to lose a lot of the GLBT community over this I fear. I don't get it at all and I really really don't like giving up our basic platforms to woo over people who never have agreed with them anyway. There are far preferable ways to attempt that without selling out a group of people who have been tossed about forever and are tired of it.

[pagam]

6. Ok, I thing I missed someithing

I have been dealing with my a-----h---le boss all day, What is going on?????

[MuseRider]

8. Here are a couple of links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1152706

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x34302

There were quite a few last night, very unpleasant stuff but these should tell you what is going on for starters.

[pagam]

Oh my !

Thanks muserider. What the hell is wrong with the democratic party? don' they get it?

WE ARE RIGHT !!!!!!! there is no need to explain didly to the crazy ass fundie goobers! We Are Right!


Ok, i feel better

[MuseRider]

15. !

:hug: Tell your boss to lay off your poor self today.

[pagam]

17. Thanks

I told him I am finished with him and walked out.
No problem though, he can't run the program without me.
not that I am bragging, it's just a fact, and he knows it.
we are actually good friends.

[Oeditpus Rex]

5. Good thoughts

But they ain't gonna happen — not in this lifetime, not on this planet.

The DNC reminds me of War singing "Why Can't We Be Friends?"

[Thtwudbeme]

20. I think it WILL happen in the next 10 years

Civil Rights always, always throughout history have been victorious.

The problem is...is that this should have happened a very long time ago. It chaps my ass that non-heteros are second class citizens. Fuck that.

[Oeditpus Rex]

22. Of course it should've, and of course they aren't

But it became a religious issue, and with the Reagan era, thus a political one. It's gotten beyond "mere" civil rights.

I'm cynical because when the Democrats do return to power, they're gonna have so many messes to clean up, I'm afraid this one will get lost in the shuffle — especially since it's historically an issue only when the GOP is in power and starts throwing around the gay gauntlet.

[teenagebambam]

7. Preach on, sister

If I were straight, I might ask you to marry me.

[WobbliesUnite]

9. I'm with you, GAY MARRAIGE NOW!!!!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

12. It's as ridiculous as "discussing"...

whether or not blacks can marry or whether blacks and whites can marry.

Sadly, Dean is on the wrong side of this one.

[mongo]

13. Couldn't agree more

and I can't believe Dean is throwing bones to the xtain right.

:wtf:

[tishaLA]

14. To be fair....

He wasn't expressing his opinion about marriage rights. He was (incorrectly) representing the Democratic Party's platform on marriage rights. Except that he was wrong and he has now admitted that the platform does not, in fact, say "marriage is between a man and a woman." At all.

[ComerPerro]

16. I have never heard even a decent argument from the right wing

on this subject.

Every argument I have ever heard always comes down to two things:

Traditional values and The Bible.


Well, lets see...

this country was obviously not founded on "traditional values", considering it was started with a revolution... "traditionalists" would have kept us under Britain's control.


and, sorry, but until the BushBots make us officially into a theocratic government, whatever The Bible says has no bearing on our laws and policy.

[MuseRider]

18. Don't hold your breath.

As long as I have worked on this, granted it has not been that long, but I have never heard one either.

When Pedro did his debate at K State Joel Oster seemed like a terribly uninformed man. He had nothing, it was almost enough to make you feel sorry for him.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

21. I understand the sentiment, but discussion is necessary

for change.

The freepers feel the same way. They don't want to discuss it either. They are happy with marriage as it is now.

No discussion = no change = status quo.

[Misunderestimator]

23. Thank you.

:thumbsup:

[donco6]

24. All I can say is, DUH!

I totally agree. It's been mind-boggling to read some of the posts on this lately. What's there to debate?