Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Telcos could be liable for tens of billions

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:15 PM
Original message
Telcos could be liable for tens of billions
AT&T, Bell South and Verizon could be liable for mucho dinero. ThinkProgress lays out why:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/11/telcos-liable/


1. It violates the Stored Communications Act. The Stored Communications Act, Section 2703(c), provides exactly five exceptions that would permit a phone company to disclose to the government the list of calls to or from a subscriber: (i) a warrant; (ii) a court order; (iii) the customer’s consent; (iv) for telemarketing enforcement; or (v) by “administrative subpoena.” The first four clearly don’t apply. As for administrative subpoenas, where a government agency asks for records without court approval, there is a simple answer – the NSA has no administrative subpoena authority, and it is the NSA that reportedly got the phone records.

2. The penalty for violating the Stored Communications Act is $1000 per individual violation. Section 2707 of the Stored Communications Act gives a private right of action to any telephone customer “aggrieved by any violation.” If the phone company acted with a “knowing or intentional state of mind,” then the customer wins actual harm, attorney’s fees, and “in no case shall a person entitled to recover receive less than the sum of $1,000.”

(The phone companies might say they didn’t “know” they were violating the law. But USA Today reports that Qwest’s lawyers knew about the legal risks, which are bright and clear in the statute book.)

3. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act doesn’t get the telcos off the hook. According to USA Today, the NSA did not go to the FISA court to get a court order. And Qwest is quoted as saying that the Attorney General would not certify that the request was lawful under FISA. So FISA provides no defense for the phone companies, either.

In other words, for every 1 million Americans whose records were turned over to NSA, the telcos could be liable for $1 billion in penalties, plus attorneys fees. You do the math.

– Peter Swire and Judd Legum


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:17 PM
Response to Original message
1. Why do I get the feeling a law will be passed to make it legal....
....RETROACTIVELY....and provide protection from them evil trial lawyers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I'll bet immunity was granted up-front. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Ex post facto ("after the fact") laws are expressly unconstitutional
Then again, when has this administration ever even paid lip-service to the Constitution?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Probably not for civil liability. No? I dunno. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:17 PM
Response to Original message
2. Beautiful! I hope a class action starts very soon.
Bring the fascist enablers to their knees.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. ACLU filed a class-action suit today
:woohoo:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Excellent!!!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
simonm Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. Telcos are not stupid
They most likely have a written immunity contract to cover their ass. We will probably end up paying for the lawsuits with our tax dollars.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. Maybe we'll all get our $100 from the Repugs after all!
Just not for gasoline.

Actually, I doubt if they could get immunity in any binding form without a prior act of Congress. The law is very specific about what they can and cannot do with phone information. Qwest was very smart to keep out of this scheme.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:23 PM
Response to Original message
5. I Hope They Get Fucked Hard For This.
I'm thinking so much tonight about alternative phone service I could get to ditch verizon completely. And my wireless contract is up in a few months too. Ain't no way I'm resigning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. V Wireless is my ISP on the road
As much as I'd like to dump them, from a practical
standpoint, I can't. Bummer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 12:09 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC