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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 08:29 PM Original message |
Sustainable, Free-Range Farms and Other Tall Tales |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Where have you been?! |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. :) |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. *sniff* |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Unfortunately yes. |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I tried! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Sorry 'bout that |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. Kick. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. Humans are omnivores and are not going to stop eating meat. Sorry. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yeah, fuck the environment. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I didn't express a personal opinion either way. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. The "animal rights crowd" makes no secret of the fact that |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. And then there are those of us |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Animals have the same natural rights we have. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. "The right not to suffer?" have you watched the discovery channel lately? |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Oh, most people. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Yeah, sorry, I've already had all the vegan agit-prop thrown at me. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. You make it sound as if the author is pro-factory farm. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
99. Not only should gays be allowed to get married |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
100. Actually that's untrue |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. self delete |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
112. the right not to suffer? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
80. Nowhere in this thread do I say that I eat, much less "need", meat. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Your rights end where my nose begins. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Wait. I thought it wasn't about "factory farms". |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. You have a right to shop at Wal-Mart and drive a Hummer. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. self delete |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Fine. Tell PETA to come out publicly in favor of criminalizing meat eating |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. I don't talk to PETA. |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. well, omnivorous humans aren't going to have any choice . . . |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Good thing I'm pretty well used to veggie burgers, already. |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. That's what you say. Sorry, but I stopped |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Those diets Are Not Appropriate for Everyone |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Just remember each time you bite into flesh it may as well be that kitty |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Thank god someone said it. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. :::: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
75. Well, waitjustagoddamnminute. If it's about "deplorable conditions" |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
103. That's Why I Eat Meat From Niman Ranch |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. Why do you think a vegetarian diet consists of tofu and beans? |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
104. Highest-Quality Vegan Protein Sources |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. similar issues here |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
105. Not on Dialysis Yet |
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im10ashus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
55. I'd love to hear about that. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Many dark green vegetables such as spinach contain adequate protein. |
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im10ashus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I was pretty good, and still am, about eating the spinach. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
56. Unless you're allergic to wheat, gluten, beans, and soy like me |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
68. And bully for you. Forcing what works for you, your diet, onto |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. Omnivorous, and a good thing too since soylent green is in their future.nt |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. soylent green is people!! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Lol! :hi: nt |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm close to giving up... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. The board |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Make sure to check out the veg/vegan/ar group here if you need any advice |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Good luck on your veg endeavor! |
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Lethe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
12. here's the truth |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. There are good things about organically produced meats (better than conv.) |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Funny, I've known people who have been vegan 15+ years. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. "I'd Just Die Without Cheese" |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You in italics, me not in italics. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Continued ... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Actually I'm opposed to zoos as well. |
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Hun Joro (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
93. That was a wonderful post. |
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politicat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
107. Will you please stick to sustainable farming instead of going off on |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
113. Really? That's funny. I don't even like cheese. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. There are plenty of healthy vegans to disprove that notion |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. These vegan bodybuilders sure look like they are thriving. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
96. I thrive. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
15. Farms with clean food |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Niman Ranch Meats are Sustainably and Humanely Raised |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
92. I patronize Thundering Hooves in eastern Washington |
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Asgaya Dihi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
19. Might be useful to you |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
22. A single human life.. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
27. For those that choose to eat meat, heres and idea. |
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spinbaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That's the way to do it |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. But you don't see how they are slaughtered. n/t |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I do |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:44 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I've seen the tool you're describing. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. All i've seen and all i've done died instantly. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Well thank god for that. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
106. We raise one beef cow with our horses every year |
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politicat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
108. Wrong. |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
98. My family does this |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
35. Talk about mexed-missages... hey kids lookie here.... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. intelligence of a 6-7 year old child.? |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Here is some reference material for you to read on "Pig Intelligence" |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Having hunted and raised hogs over the last 40 years. |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. I have a feeling that you are in denial. |
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laheina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Well, who could hunt something that they thought of as |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
97. Dick Cheney! |
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laheina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:51 AM Response to Reply #97 |
114. .. |
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shockra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Intelligence |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. We can cling to them as we sink into the muck we have created... |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Arnold, turn off that video game and get ready for the school bus |
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laheina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Having intelligence and having the language centers of the |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. Well, not exactly |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
57. I'm allergic to wheat, wheat gluten, soy, and beans |
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shockra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
109. I had the same problem. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Thanks for that note on Quackwatch |
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shockra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:08 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Oh, wow. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
59. Vitamin B-12 is only available by eating animal products. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I take a B12 supplement occasionally. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. That doesn't tell me much. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I'm sure he did. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. I didn't post here in order to get in an argument with anyone. |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Here is some B-12 info for you vegans out there.... |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Facts?!!! Don't bother me with facts???!!! |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. That's very good to know, and useful. |
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shockra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. You have the most to worry about from mercury fillings. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. That's fascinating. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
62. The methods need to change. |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Did you read the article? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Because they can't see another way, it can't be done? |
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livinginphotographs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. That's not what I said. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
101. I didn't say that's what you said. |
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politicat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
102. It depends where you are. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. You're raising some very valid points |
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