Now can we call them in fact, fascists and Nazis?

[IChing]

I'm sick of people saying that republicans are not fascist or nazis and have know a few "good republicans".

What are you waiting for? Are you waiting until you are assigned a number like Nazi Germany?


Are you waiting for Haliburton to finish their 3/4 of a billion dollar contract to finish their camps in the United States before you call it for what it is?
http://www.guerrillanews.com/forum/thread.php?id=12347
Or even then, will you wait until they have to fill those camps with "illegals" to make your decision?
If not, Then are you waiting until you are in those camps before you smell the fascism and nazism?

Or are you waiting for the media to call it nazism or fascism?
What does it take? What does it take?

[madrchsod]

1. fascism not nazism

[IChing]

7. The nazi were a fascist totalitarian regime

So I will not argue that point since the topic of discussion will dissolve into the nuances of the nazis vs the Italian fascists.
And not the point of my Rant.

Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:

*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.

*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).

*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.

It is vitally important to understand that fascism and Nazism are not biologically or culturally determinant. Fascism does not attach to the gene structure of any specific group or nationality. Nazism was not the ultimate expression of the German people. Fascism did not end with World War II.

[gumby]

9. Don't forget the demand for strict gender roles.

This is where the anti-gay and anti-abortion wackos that have sucked up so much of this country's political debate come from. Fascists!!!

[MadMaddie]

2. Facist Nazi Rat Bastard Pigs....

I think that about sums it up!!!

[marmar]

3. They are definitely fascists...

When you've got Jack Cafferty saying that this is a dictatorship, you know things are all bollocksed up. We have a despotic regime. The United States cannot lecture any other nation on democracy right now.

[babylonsister]

4. I keep thinking about that program that was talked about to put

identity chips under our skin. :scared:

[mike_c]

5. LOL-- I've been calling them fascists for the last coupla years....

Welcome to Amerika.

[BlooInBloo]

6. We were correct in saying that BEFORE...

... just like we've been right about everything else...

One hopes there's only so long the American electorate can put up with falsehood...

[coalition_unwilling]

8. Fascists, but not Nazis, b/c the latter term refers to

the German-specific form of fascism.

My father and I have been having an on-going colloquy on whether BFEE are fascists or just money-hungry pigs. My father supports the latter, I the former.

An excellent read on the subject is Robert O Paxton's "Anatomy of Fascism" although you won't find compelling evidence for a diagnosis of BFEE either way.

I wrote my father that I consider BFEE "incompetent fascists" (as opposed to the Nazis who, up until Stalingrad, were "competent fascists).

[Cleita]

11. You might point out to your father the German Nazi

connection to Prescott Bush, *'s grandfather, who did business with the Nazis before WWII. Also, the Straussian philosophy of the PNAC comes directly from Nazi Germany too. There are load of references to this in the DU archives.

[Cleita]

10. I would narrow that definition down to the neo-cons

who have infiltrated and taken over the Republican Party. Like all fascists, who gain political power, they are small in numbers, so you can't blame all the duped Republicans, who thought they were getting even with Clinton's penis as being Nazis because really they aren't. They were just led by the nose by those real Nazis who used them to gain power. Now let's hope that the scales are finally falling from the eyes of those same lemmings.

Randi Rhodes spent most of her show today calling the Bush government Nazis. So it seems those of us who have held to the belief that BushCo are Nazi-like fascists are no longer a leftie, wingbat corner of DU, but it seems we are right.

[BillZBubb]

13. Pat Buchanan isn't a neo-con, but he's still a Repug fascist.

I think are just plain wrong trying to give a pass to the majority of Repugs. Remember still over 60% strongly support Bush--knowing all he's done to subvert this country. What more evidence do you need??????

[Union Thug]

12. They fit the definition of fascism. Why wouldn't we? n/t