Bad news kids - Republicans maintain control of BOTH houses this November

[GlenP]

Call me a pessimist, but this is the devastating reality America now faces. Republicans will maintain control of both the house and the senate in November.

"Why?" You ask.

The same old story... Marriage. More specifically the overwhelming belief of hateful and/or ignorant republicans, democrats, and independents who think that marriage is ALL about the genitals, and that life as we know it will be forever destroyed if they don't do everything in their power to ensure that genitals remain the primary focus and meaning of marriage.

Ok, maybe not so much democrats and many independents, but the fact is: The evangelicals will be out in FULL force this November.

"Bah!" You say. "That ploy is no longer going to fly, and furthermore there isn't the kind of fuel that existed in the past few elections."

Well... wrong! There is going to be plenty, and it will rile up the hate infected bigots like you won't expect.

Hey, I'm as big a supporter of gay rights, and marriage inclusive of gay couples as anyone. Perhaps more so, it's one of my primary causes. But there is some VERY bad timing taking place this very summer.

* A Georgia judge just ruled yesterday the voter passed constitutional amendment against same-gendered marriage illegal. The U.S. Supreme court just refused to accept a case to overrule a lower court's favorable ruling on a lesbian partner's parental rights.

* At least nine states have November ballot initiatives to place same gendered marriage bans into their state constitutions.

And most importantly and devastatingly to Democratic take over of the house and senate in November:

* Several progressive state appellate and/or supreme courts are due to rule before November on same-gendered marriage suits. New Jersey, Washington, California, and possibly New York. In all likelihood these courts will rule in favor of gay inclusive marriage. Bringing the possible number of states allowing same-gendered marriage to five!

Why did Massachusetts Supreme Court rule in favor of gay couples right to participate in state recognized marriage? Because if you have EVER read the court arguments and briefs in favor of same-gendered marriage (or even just really studied and researched the issue), it is an absolute No-Brainer that state marriage cannot only not be restricted to heterosexual couples on constitutional grounds, but also it is the morally, ethically, and societally right thing to do. Any judge that hears both sides of the argument REALLY has to draw and rely upon their own personal bias, bigotry, or activist desire to impose their religious beliefs, to rule against marriage for gay couples.

So... there you have it.

A) Some very probable major wins are coming for same gendered marriage this summer.
B) This will inflame and motivate the rabid evangelicals and other haters as much as (if not more so) than in the past.
C) They will be a significant portion of those who turn up at the polls in this mid-term election.
D) Republicans will hold on to both the house and senate (and heck might even pick up a seat or two in the senate).
E) The continued destruction of America by the evil republican cabal and Bush crime family will continue
F) Armageddon will become a self-fulfilling prophecy of the radical religious infected minds of the evangelical bible-thumpers.

I pray that I am WAY off base, but I'm skeptical. But hey, I've been wrong in the past. In 2004 I thought Kerry/Edwards would win by a landslide, and look how THAT turned out.

:-(

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. uh...Kerry/Edwards DID win

welcome, newbie.

[Peter Frank]

17. Yes... n/t

[fooj]

2. Black is white...Cold is hot...Smooth is rough...

Up is down...

[AndyTiedye]

36. All Of Which Are Likely Results From Diebold Voting Machinez

Black is white...Cold is hot...Smooth is rough...

[Erika]

3. The GOP controlling both houses would be pure entertainment

They've wrecked this country now. So we'll watch them dig the open pit graves. OK.

[AndyTiedye]

32. After Which They March Us Into Them

[bobbieinok]

4. plus machine voting and republican controlled media 24/7

religious right planned months before Nov 2004 to focus on gay marriage.......they had a big rally in DC in October

IF dems could only get our act together on keeping SS, doing something about health insurance, recognizing need for jobs,.....

[Erika]

12. The GOP Congress will mandate Faux News will be wired

into all houses. Wake up alarms will activate Faux.

Hannity will tell us when to go to work, O'Reilly will tell us why we must work. Cavuto will explain to us how we can be happy on poverty wages, Greta will show us how lucky we are to not be missing rich blondes.

The RNC will have the GOP Congress pass a bill to allow us to pay 10% to Faux for educational benefits.

The GOP picture.

[Bluebear]

5. Well isn't that a cheery pronouncement. nt

[niyad]

6. welcome to DU--let's hope you are wrong this time (and it is good to

remember that kerry-edwards did win--just look at the mess in ohio and florida)

[Stand and Fight]

7. Welcome to DU.

Thanks for your input. 'Nuff said.

[Sydnie]

8. uh .... no

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2289157

thanks for playing .... Johnny ... tell him what he's won .... ;)


Welcome to DU. :hi:

I think a growing number of Americans are beginning to say ... I don't give a big fat hairy rats ass who marries who ... I just want to be able to eat and stay warm and healhy.

It's down to survival now, not comfort.

[aquart]

9. Yeah, let's give up now. There's just no hope.

Kerry/Edwards did win. What happened after that was criminal.

But why fight them, just because they've committed crimes against us.

Your post was creepy, ugly, and designed to dishearten. Take it elsewhere.

[RoyGBiv]

10. Nothing like pessimism ...

Keeps us inert.

Ya know, I appreciate what you're saying here, but here it is May, and if I might suggest, a more positive use of the energy you put into writing this might be in suggesting ways *how* Dems could win and how rank and file voters could help make that happen.

The Eeyore approach just don't work.

[AndyTiedye]

35. After 2000, 2002, and 2004, How Can One Be Anything But Pessimistic?

Sure, the polls look very good for us, but they did in all those other election years too.

Polls only measure how people intend(ed) to vote, not what happens to their vote after they cast it.

If nothing is done about the election fraud, we have no chance of winning.
There is no such thing as them being too far behind to steal it. Not anymore.

Last Fall, he turned a landslide for US into a landslide for THEM.

This Fall, he intends to install himself as governor of Ohio.

[Nostradammit]

11. Thanks, Dad -

I was thinking of getting involved politically, but now I see that it is hopeless.

You sure saved me a lot of wasted effort, pal.


Thanks


:eyes:

[marions ghost]

13. well the fundy base might still care

about definitions of marriage, but I think the immigration issue will be the hot button issue for most of the grassroots.

We can't worry about this group too much--ie. the ones who are so rigid and masochistic that they'll continue to believe Republican lies. Others have wised up. And non-participants in general are waking up.

Our bigger problem is Diebold.

[AndyTiedye]

14. That is the Cover Story They Use When They Steal Elections

[kurth]

15. Doubtful - if they manage to keep the House, it's because of immigration

[AndyTiedye]

34. If They Keep The House, It's Because of Massive Election Fraud

[opihimoimoi]

16. The Democratic Party is gonna win something this year.,..the hearts and

minds of enough peeps to win at least the HOUSE....

The Pubs have shown America they don't know how to Govern for shit....They can't even pick a decent Leader FGS...

They have let a Lessor Man rule them, dictate to them, intimidate them....Congress has bent over to allow Bush to lead them into chaos...

Now they see the result in low poll numbers...and they fear rejection in November...for good reason...

The Lying Cheating Stealing will not work this time as it did before...But, they will try it nevertheless.

America won't be fooled again...

[Erika]

20. The GOP have rubber stamped an idiot president

and the electorate, including the GOP, has woken up.

How sad the Republicans chose to destroy this country through their stupid choices. But it is coming home to roost. Big time.

[CHICKEN CAPITOL USA]

33. Dead Bold voting machines prevent legal elections--in other words

it's rigged--
and no one is planning on changing it-
-and plenty of folks are making sure the machines are in place and ready to work-
(or "not work" )however one might choose to look at it!)

[opihimoimoi]

40. Soon we be the peasants working for the elite...unless we over come the

Madness of Domination/Control foisted on us

[Patchuli]

18. Welcome to DU

Glen! :hi:

However, I think you are wrong. This country is awakening from its stupor.

[GlenP]

19. The Average American vs. The Evangelical

Yes, Social Security, doing something about health insurance, recognizing need for jobs, our standing in the world, peace and prosperity, etc... THESE things are ALL very important to the average American, and the average American KNOWS that Democrats would do a MUCH better job on all these issues than the republicans have (or ever will).

BUT.... The average American doesn't vote in large numbers in presidential elections let alone mid-term elections.

DUers vote in the mid-terms, AND rabid radical evangelicals vote in mid-terms (especially when they are in full let-us-impose-our-hateful-religious-beliefs-on-everyone mode).

And while the DU (and DU like community) is large, it simply cannot compete with the vast numbers of American Taliban who are taking over our nation as sure as the Mullahs are taking over in democratic elections in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is what I see happening. So... I'm pre-devasting myself now, so that I don't have to go through the same devastation after November '04.

Maybe if I sound the alarm about these developments now, we can do SOMETHING about it. I want same-gendered marriage wins as much as HRC, GLAAD, Lambda Legal, and the rest of them do, but if they come before November (which they likely will), then we will have won the battle but lost the war.

:-(

[Erika]

22. The American public has woken up

Didn't you hear the alarm clock? The GOP are toast.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. You're way off base

For one thing, Kerry/Edwards DID win in November.

I am in red state hell and the Dem candidates are kicking ass! One of our congressional candidates has the religious right in her district working on her campaign! They are so angry at their repub congressman they want him out.

We are set to take back the house and the senate at the state level for sure. And most of our area races for US congress are definitely leaning Dem.

[Peter Frank]

23. Let me help your optimism...

Except for *'s fundamental base -- Iraq is the the cutting issue among voters.

If I were fellow Texan Dr. Phil I'd ask the man, "How's that workin' for ya?"

[Erika]

25. See how W's Iraqi war is going

at www.icasualties.org

[Peter Frank]

29. Great info Erika... n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Whatever.

[rockymountaindem]

26. We won't win, but that's not why

IMHO, we can't pull it off this year because we're too far behind and too many House districts are gerrymandered. Add to that the factor that a lot of people are unhappy with Congress but not *their* Representative, and I don't think we can pull it off. That being said, I do think we'll make gains which will leave us poised for a sweep of the House, Senate and White House in 2008, so I'm positive on that note. I just think we'll have to settle for some delayed satisfaction, which is better than nothing.

[GlenP]

27. I know Kerry/Edwards won.

Well I'm as convinced as anyone that Kerry/Edwards did in fact win in '04. (Or would have without the tricks and cheating)

What I was saying is that I was wrong about Kerry/Edwards winning in a landslide. I was sure it would be so tilted toward Kerry/Edwards that even with cheating and foul play the republicans couldn't steal it.

So my silver lining of optimism is that if I was wrong about a landslide win, then perhaps I'm wrong about this as well.

[Quixote1818]

28. Wedge issues wont hold this time. Sorry

Such wedge issues only go so far. They can turn a close election but not the kind of lopsided elections expected this fall. No, Dems will take over both houses easily baring fair elections and working machines. I am much more afraid of the machines than the Gay Marriage wedge issue.

[orleans]

30. ain't happening. even the repukes are predicting dems win. n/t

[GlenP]

31. Never trust a repuke

If the repugnicans mouths are moving then you can be SURE its a lie. Or in this case a ruse, or other ploy/plot to lull people into a false sense of security.

Believe me, they KNOW how much they are loathed by the average American at this point, so they will be pulling out ALL the stops to maintain their control on power.

If that includes singing from the roof tops about how the dems are going to wipe them this November, you can be assured that is only to help themselves by causing the American citizen to think it's so in the bag for the Dems that they don't even NEED to go to the polls in November.

[orleans]

38. dems stay home? i don't think so--we're too pissed off! n/t

[applegrove]

37. And then Nov 5 comes along.

[Skittles]

39. gerrymandering and vote fraud will account for their wins

if they pull it off, that is how they will do it