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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:49 PM Original message |
Has Karl Rove been pardoned? In secret? Why not? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Are YOU Karl Rove? nt |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. There is no such thing as a secret pardon. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Correct |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You would think |
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tulsakatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. it has? |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. It's in the OP |
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whalerider55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. if memory serves |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Nixon was granted a blanket pardon prior to any indictment |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Think about Jimmy Carter's pardon of those who'd avoided draft |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Please see the recent "pardons" in Kentucky. |
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WiseButAngrySara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Good point! Thought provoking. It had never occured to me. ....n/t |
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heartofthesiskiyou (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. See Ford pardons |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Our Governor pardoned his staff right after they were indicted. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Don't think so |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. It must be made public at least indirectly |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I like your thinking, but there's no USA v. Rove case to file a ... |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. There is no "case" but there is a legal proceeding |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. WHY? |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. It'd be pretty easy to keep this one secret. |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Fitz would file it with the court making it a public record |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. National Security? |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. In what court file would this pardon go? |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. It would be filed with the fed court in DC overseeing the GJ |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. How could Fitz |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If the pardon is not filed with the court then there is no pardon |
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serryjw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Jersey I hear what you say |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. If an indictment is not filed with the court, then there is no indictment |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Easy |
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WannaJumpMyScooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. Who says when it has to be revealed though? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. We should know in 24 business hours... :) (nt) |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think that even a member of the Bush White House |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. I don't think so, Bush Sr. pardoned people who were indicted but not |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. No conviction necessary |
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Scoody Boo (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. How About This... |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. Welcome to DU! |
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Scoody Boo (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Yes... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. Please. We're on "Leisure Hours" Now for two days. No Rove stories. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Probably |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. Since our country seems to be a different one that the one |
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feistydem (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. You gotta be convicted of something to be pardoned for the CRIME. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Not true. This has been repeatedly debunked on DU. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. But that wasn't in secret at all. |
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heartofthesiskiyou (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
53. There are no limitations on Presidential powers |
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Texifornia (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Nope |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. No, you only have to be indicted to be pardoned. Bush Sr. pardoned |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. That is a deliciously devious idea you have there |
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feistydem (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. I stand corrected y'all. Now I'm really depressed. Thanks. |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. He can't pardon himself |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Uh, I think he can-- |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. What a gross thought. I wouldn't put it past 'em. |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Yeah, I thought I should FOIA the pardon office first. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. It's plausible ... |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. But could they put a gag order on Fitzgerald? |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Fitzgerald has to believe that all his work will end in pardons |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. That doesn't sound like Fitzgerald at all. |
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heartofthesiskiyou (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
48. I found nothing that says pardon could not be held in secret |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Jersey Devil says Grand Jury rules would require disclosure |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No, not grand jury rules but court rules |
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Democracy deth watch (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Okay, but we don't have an indictment that we know of |
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DianaForRussFeingold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
52. Hi Karl ,Your name gives you away! |
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