Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Republicans say (quite proudly) "It is better to be feared than loved"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:31 AM
Original message
Republicans say (quite proudly) "It is better to be feared than loved"
Is it? I sure don't think so but some here may, so thought I would ask...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
1. Wonder What They Say On Their Death Bed? eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:39 AM
Response to Original message
2. Works for the Mafia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
3. How about being respected?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. For what, How big our guns are?
They call us girly men for even suggesting we communicate with the rest of the world. Remember how they ridiculed Kerry for suggesting we should listen to world opinion? What do you suggest the US deserves "Respect" for in this day and age?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. I thought we were discussing goals here.
Geesh, who peed in your wheaties this am?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Sorry
didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't really addressing you but just mad at what has happened to our country. We have lost "Respect". Respect for each other, respect for other countries, respect for the world itself. Respect is the most valued goal IMO. Through it Love grows. You are 100% correct and I again apologize for being snarky.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. No harm, no foul.
I'm probably partially to blame--I shouldn't have skipped my coffee this am. lol
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. I don't think they know the difference between fear and respect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. You can intimidate anyone into fearing you. That's the easy one.
Now respect, that's another matter altogether. Respect must be earned and then willingly given.
You can never completely trust someone that fears you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. Earning respect is "hard work"
easier to bully people into submission.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
4. Who love them anyway?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:44 AM
Response to Original message
5. And they also claim to Christian and compassionate
Which is it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:47 AM
Response to Original message
8. that is the patriarchal style of life. they do it in religion, parenting
Edited on Sat May-20-06 10:48 AM by seabeyond
and seems in governing. and no. i think it is the old way. the more progressive is a mutual respect and teaching child self think and do it the right way because it behooves them. the choices they make in life will create what they live. give them the responsibility of creation in their life. empower them.....

it takes more work, hands on, patience and time.

difference between old testament and new. difference between god rule and christ lite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 10:59 AM
Response to Original message
13. standard Machiavelli, except that
Edited on Sat May-20-06 11:29 AM by wicasa
According to Machiavelli:

It is best (for a Prince) to be both feared and loved.

But:

If a Prince cannot be both feared and loved, then it is better to be feared.

But:

A prince absolutely cannot afford to be hated.


So just excerpting the it is better to be feared than loved does disservice to Machiavelli, and if adopting just that part of his thought leads to being hated, then they have disastrously lost the thread of the Machiavellian line of thought, and if Machiavelli's line of thought is relevant, then disastrously so.




Similarly Theodore Roosevelt's "Walk softly and carry a big stick." seems to have been bastardized to "Carry the biggest stick in the jungle and beat the bejabbers out of every body and every thing that crosses you."



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. LOL not sure I want bejabbers
I don't want them beat out of me though either. :shrug: What's a person to do?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
16. apparently, that's how their god thinks too...
and you wouldn't think that a supreme being would show so many human failings...

unless-

it was humans who created a god in their image, and not the other way around.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:06 AM
Response to Original message
17. The problem with using fear
is that your victim eventually learns not only to disrespect you, they learn not to fear you, and eventually that they not only can retaliate, it is their duty to do so. Fear as a motivational tool has a very finite shelf-life as the GOP is now discovering.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:19 AM
Response to Original message
18. HA HA they fear us
WAIT till NOVEMBER freeptards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 11:53 AM
Response to Original message
19. Gee isn't that the credo of terrorist groups?
:wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
20. Its easier to be feared than to be loved. Love takes effort. Fear doesnt
Edited on Sat May-20-06 12:14 PM by shance
other than to provide weaponry and tools to instill fear.

Fear requires a detachment of feeling which is easier. Love requires an attachment of feeling and investment.

So responding fear is the ultimate in cowardly behavior, certainly primative behavior, because the person instilling the fear is too afraid to actually get close to others, invest and learn to love and appreciate the person they are trying to instill fear in.

They would rather overpower than connect, however there is nothing real there, and where there is no love, there is no growth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 02:10 PM
Response to Original message
21. Some Repubs Are Learning that That Attitude is Bad for Business
If you are hated and feared, will anybody buy your stuff?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC