So let me get this straight - We mustn't compare Bush to Hitler-

[Yollam]

-but calling feminists "feminazis" is humorous.


I guess that's funny because of the way feminists line up people they don't like and put them in rail cars and incinerate them, right? HA HA, that's hilarious, RUSH.


But it's not cool to call Bush another Hitler, because unlike Hitler, he would never use fear and propaganda to manipulate the public, or start murderous and illegal, unprovoked invasions of unarmed nations...




You commies like Michael Moore had better stop slandering our president or we will BOYCOTT Ben & Jerry's!







Is that about right?

[baldguy]

1. You shouldn't compare Bush to Hitler.

He's more like Stalin or Mussolini.

[Benhurst]

3. No, he's more on the order of Charles Manson, just tens of thousands

of times worse.

[niallmac]

14. Mussolini, definitely the better comparison.

Bush is all puffed up and able to strike a nationalist chord in the sheeple. Hitler was a mad genius at one point being able to
make a sudden unexpected successful military move to the surprise of even his generals.
Bush is no military genius. He is no strategist. He is a talking head, a tool.

[TahitiNut]

16. Yep. He's definitely "Bushoilini"!

Pompous, narcissistic ass in the pockets of the industrialists. Plays "dress-up." :shrug:

[Jeffersons Ghost]

30. kick

[tblue37]

35. An incompetent Mussolini, maybe.

Unlike Mussolini, Bush does not make the trains run on time.

I think BushCo are mix-and-match fascists. They draw on the worst elements of many fascist systems, but fail to provide any real benefits to the populists of the sort that support fascist regimes.

And of course they also draw Stalinsit principles into their methods.

[TahitiNut]

37. Fascism is a political corruption, not a valid political ideology.

That's the problem, imho. The term itself was coined in reference to the faeces, the Roman (and other) symbol of the state as "strength though unification." It has never been anything other than a perversion of the superficially portrayed principles of socialism - an attempt to hijack and destroy the politics of equity and justice in favor of the age-old avarices of the few. Thus, it's not described by the happenstance benefits but by the plethora of deceits and the aggregation of wealth and power by the few at the expense of the many. Thus, when describing it, we need to focus on it as a cancer, not a healthy alternative, imho. It bears as much resemblance to a real political ideology as Ayn Rand's (so-called) 'objectivism' resembles a valid ethical system. Both are facades of fallacies and deceits.

[Chulanowa]

43. Welllllll....

Il Duce in fact did not make the trains run on time. During his rulership, in fact, they were often delayed, or outright stopped, for one reason or another - usually things like contraband serarches and arrests.

However the Italian press made damn sure to ignore that fact and spread the word that "Everything is working perfectly under our Great Leader's guiding hand!"

...Sound familiar?

[TahitiNut]

47. Exactly. The 'culture of lies' is the hallmark of fascism.

It's something that virtually everyone participates in - the press, people, all kinds of institutions including the church - with the small exception of the kid that says "the emperor is naked!" (Who's usually spanked for being 'impolite' or 'unpatriotic.') Big and small, it's the falsehoods that abound.

The trains didn't run on time. It was a myth ... just like the "march on Rome."

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.htm

[tblue37]

52. Or all the good news in Iraq that isn't

getting reported? (eom)

[Chulanowa]

55. Bad news is good news - if you twist it hard enough.

"40 terrorists killed in successful hideout raid" sounds more like "good news" than "five fighters and 35 bystanders killed along with 10 Iraqi soldiers in seige on local mosque"

Or perhaps...

"Five new schools being built in Tikrit" vs. "Five schools in Tikrit being rebuilt, hospitals and sewage treatment still badly damaged"

The "fog of war" exists at home as well.

[sweetheart]

46. Pussolini for he's obviously whipped...

by something :evilgrin: on paxil with 9 layers of pancake makeup.

[teknomanzer]

48. Okay here I go again...

I can't stand these inaccurate descriptions of Hitler as some sort of evil genius.

Hitler may have certainly been mad but he was no genius or even a great military strategist. His only claim to fame is being able to bamboozle the German people with nationalist rhetoric, skillful use of propaganda, and out and out lies. His economic successes were were based only on the build up of the German military... if Hitler had not gone to war this economic boost would have certainly petered out as nothing substantial was being produced apart from armaments, which as you know contribute nothing to an economy and in fact are used to destroy economies.

As far as Hitlers military successes the credit should go to Heinz Guderian the inventor of Blitzkrieg. Any and every military success is owed to the German Generals and any time Hitler got involved it became a strategic blunder, and I will offer these examples.

Against his Generals' advise Hitler called on his advancing armies to halt before Dunkirk allowing the British expeditionary force to evacuate. This offered the British hope and contributed to continued British defiance.

A blunder was made by the German Luftwaffe where one raiding sortie got lost on a night bombing run and instead dropped bombs on London by mistake. In retaliation the British bombed Berlin. Hitler then made the decision to change the Luftwaffe strategy of bombing airfields and radar sites to the infamous Blitz of London. This gave the beleaguered RAF much relief and strengthened British resolve. A few more weeks of the Luftwaffe's campaign against the airfields would have decimated the RAF, but the revenge bombing strategy allowed the RAF to recover and win the Battle of Britain.

Operation Barbarossa - this was Hitlers greatest dream, to invade Russia. He made the decision to proceed with the Russian invasion even though the British had not been neutralized. This would create a two front war for Germany, and allow the Allied forces a place to muster their forces for the eventual invasion of the continent. The invasion of Russia itself was poorly thought out as Hitler believed "We need only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down." He was wrong. Hitler should have paid closer attention to history and learned from Napoleon's defeat. The Germans were brought far enough into the Russian interior to stretch the supply lines. When the infamous Russian winter set in it spelled the end for Germany's victories - nothing but defeat would follow. The German army was ill prepared for winter warfare in the Russian hinterland. Troops froze to death and equipment was immobilized allowing time for Stalin's reserve lead by Zhukov to strike.

Hitler also became obsessed with capturing Stalingrad - the city with the namesake of his nemesis. He diverted an army headed for oil fields in the southern Caucasus to accomplish this. The result was a bloody defeat and this sacrifice based simply on Hitler's ego meant that Germany would not gain the badly needed fuel supplies.

In the end Hitler was mapping out strategies with non-existent armies and ignoring his Generals pleas as the allies were advancing on Germany.

Not the pattern of a genius if you ask me. So please stop this false and ridiculous meme. Hitler was no genius - just a dangerous criminal windbag with a loud bullhorn and a private army of brown-shirted (and later black-shirted) thugs.

[DBoon]

24. No

more like Pinochet.

Free market economics, plus throwing your political opponents out of helicopters into the ocean.

Privatize everything and shoot the people who try to stop you.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

28. I prefer the Stalin comparison. Makes them wiggle in freepland when I

work my magic over there. E.g. NSA spying is a program Stalin would have been proud of. Nothing like linking * and the boys to gigantic communist government abuse.

[bunkerbuster1]

29. Stalin's much closer, agreed. Cowardly, lazy, willfully ignorant

crazily incapable of dealing with any voices that would tell him he is less than perfect within his own circle...

Not a perfect match by a long shot, but they share plenty of faults, those two.

[JVS]

56. Yeah but Stalin presided over massive economic growth and managed...

to actually win wars. Mussolini or Franco is a better comparison with *. Stalin was just way too competent. One could argue that Hitler was more competent too, but dying in a bunker is indicative of strategic failure.

[bumblebee1]

40. Yea, don't compare Bush to Hitler

Hitler was a dynamic public speaker. He was also a decorated combat veteran.

[Rosemary2205]

2. Bush is no Hitler -- Hitler was intelligent

edit to add -- plus, while Hitler was pure evil in some regards, he actually did want what he thought was best for the German people overall.

Bush doesn't give a shit about anything or anyone but their uberrich group of scumsucking creeps and would GLADLY kill us all for a few more billions in his own family's bank account.

[eShirl]

5. Hitler had mad public speaking skills

whereas Bush...

[ginnyinWI]

10. both are/were ideologues.

Both appeal to the little guy while secretly having little respect for them. Hitler wanted Germany to succeed, but for glory--same with *.

I don't think Hitler was particularly intelligent, but he did have charisma. Same with *. Hitler was more articulate, but I think the real genius was Goebbels writing his speeches and managing the media for him. And * has one of those guys, too.

[Joe Chi Minh]

44. Hitler was a cretin and wouldn't listen to generals who'd have

forgotten more about strategy than he could ever have dreamed of learning.

Hitler was not just a loser, but a loser's loser. A barely literate stumble-bum who, like a petulant child, wanted to destroy his country and his people, once he knew he himself was a gonner. Scorched earth must have been what he had between his ears.

Hundreds of thousands of the German womenfolk he was supposed to have been protecting and setting on high, not just gang-raped, but habitually raped by Russian troops, and in Strasbourg by some of the French troops. By 1950, between 9 and 13 million German civilians died from hunger, disease, etc. And the country, a vast patchwork of rubble.

Some leader.

[teknomanzer]

49. Thank you! I've been shouting this all over...

if you look at my post above I pretty much said the same. I can't believe people still believe that Hitler was some kind of genius. Maybe people don't want to accept that an entire nation can be duped by a dumbfuck. But look at where we are now, hmmmm?

I just wish people would stop with this whole "Hitler was an evil genius" bullshit! Even a cursory examination of history will reveal what a real rube he was.

[Joe Chi Minh]

59. He was a pawn of Big Business, just like Thatcher, though even

thicker.

However, like many another tin-pot dictator (Idi Amin springs to mind), he excelled in a kind of low kind of cunning, and was able to fool Big Business (and not just in Germany, by any means), who thought they could use him as a disposable tool. Once he was cock-of-the- walk, they ended up having to do his bidding. It didn't require an above-average intelligence to do that - just the cunning and manic determination to exploit their fear and greed. In the corporatists of industry and commerce, we are currently governed by the dumbest SOBs the World has to offer this side of the black stump; our right-wing politicians, but pawns.

A comparably ruthless psycopath, Stalin was nevertheless smart enough to finesse the Allied leaders, which, strange to relate, was no mean feat. De Gaulle, Churchill and Roosevelt were all statesmen worthy of the name.

[Conan_The_Barbarian]

18. Yea, if Bush was the equivalent to Hitler

We'd be kicking ass AND chewing bubble gum. Hitler was a self made man, a failed art student for crying outloud took control of a crumbled nation beginning in the underground, rebuilt it, and rocked the world with the most earth shaking war in the history of our race. I'd like to see Bush try and pull that off.

[teknomanzer]

50. That's complete crap...

quit giving one of history's worst rejects so much undue credit.

[Chulanowa]

57. In actuality, Conan's right

What Hitler accomplished was quite impressive, in the scope of history. Under Hitler Germany went from a ruined nation to the world's strongest military power, and one of the strongest economies in Europe. The methods and ends are certainly not worthy of any sane man's admiration, but Hitler, perhaps Ironicly, is one of history's few examples of the Republicans' "boot-strap" theology.

Go figure, huh?

[RobertSeattle]

32. Hitler was a decorated WWI combat hero

...Heard that from Bill Maher once.

[Ringo84]

4. Hypocrisy Alert

Or call Hillary Clinton "Hitlery" (AHEM....Freep Creeps).

Thanks for posting this. I don't think we should call any politician Hitler personally.
Ringo

[Oversea Visitor]

6. Why need too

bush a class by himself.

He hold world record on deficits.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. and don't call KKKarl Rove Goebbels, but it is OK to compare Gore to

Goebbels because of "An Inconvenient Truth"?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a crock of hypocritcal crapola!

Exxon-backed propagandist compares Gore to Goebbels
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1266358

PBS special on Goebbles KKKKarl/Goebbels
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1260659

[ginnyinWI]

11. oh but you forgot something:

If a Republican does it, it's not wrong! They can do no wrong! :sarcasm:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. He's sort of like Hitler Jr. or Hilter lite

n/t

[feelthebreeze]

9. okay fine, I will cotinue the myth that the Nazis are just a creation of

a maddened German people. But get this straight, fascism is happening now and I am beginning to feel the weight of its burning sole stomped into my face, again and again. It is happening folks, and if it makes all of us feel better to glorify and marginalize the term Hitler with an individual, then better make peace with the evil and corrupt nature of things that is charging forward like a freight train, and come up with a new metaphor. Because like it or not, it is going down and the atrocities are not far behind. Wake up and take action.

[earthside]

12. Or Nixon.

We're not supposed to compare Bush to Nixon either -- you know, especially that 'impeachment' thing.

See, if you say something like, "Well, Nixon did stuff like illegally spying on Americans and he got impeached, so shouldn't we impeach Bush, too?"

Oh, Nancy Pelosi's eyes will just drop out!

[lonestarnot]

13. Bushitler is a motherfucker and I'll compare him to whomever I fuck'n plea

se. :>/

[Dr.Phool]

15. You're all forgetting the most important thing!

Bush don't have a moustache. Or a brain.

[lonestarnot]

17. But he's got the same evil, elitist, arrogant, stank.

[bdamomma]

19. and they (Hitler and Bush) both said

they must "stay the course" and "win the victorious war". This was mentioned on the PBS documentary last nite. So many similarities.

[lonestarnot]

25. and so little time.

[pansypoo53219]

20. still a fascist

so i call him the fuWrer

[Initech]

21. Well, on one hand I've always said Bush is more like Stalin than Hitler...

but, on the other hand, if Bush is Hitler, would comparing Cheney to Goebbles be a favorable comparison?

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[U4ikLefty]

23. Hitler served & was elected n/t

[teknomanzer]

51. Another Damn LIE!

Hitler was not elected he was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg. Hitler never personally won an election. Really people! Study some history before you start throwing this crap out there.

[Orsino]

26. Compare away.

The similarities and differences are very educational.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

27. no you got it wrong!

it's unfair to HITLER because he was a strong speaker, unlike the village idiot, who can't even deliver a speech.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Let's compare them.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:r_OJCxgegtcJ:library.usu.edu/Specol/digitalexhibits/masaryk/images/stalin.jpg

[jerry611]

33. Let me explain how the pro-lifers view this....

It is said that there have been 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade. The Nazis killed 6 million Jews. So the feminists have the Nazis beat by about 36 million lives.

That is why pro-lifers call abortion, "the greatest atrocity in human history."

[unpossibles]

41. I find it funny that most of them are pro-death penalty as well

so if they see abortion as 40 million murders, then they obvious think we should execute the 100+ million people responsible, since they (the parents and the doctors) are murderers?

[genie_weenie]

34. This Over the Top rhetoric is lame. Bush is like

Woodrow Wilson or Andrew Jackson or McKinley and a pale imitation of Lincoln. Bush is simply like every other American President. when the chips are down and a war of aggression is there for the taking they all jump at it.

[BiggJawn]

36. Not until he kills his 6,000,000,,,

After all, Hitler's Grand-daddy wasn't a Nazi like Little Boots'...

[Beelzebud]

38. Republicans - Do as we say, not as we do.

That sums up the American Nazi party. Oops, I mean the GOP.

[Norquist Nemesis]

39. Hitler for similarities in rhetoric and propaganda but

Michael Corleone when it comes to governing.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

42. no... you have it backward

we must not compare Hitler to Bush, not the other way around.

[alarcojon]

45. The term "feminazi" is unacceptable

It was popularized by Oxy-Rush, for crying out loud.

Comparing Bush to Hitler just turns off more people right off the bat - I don't think it is yet overall politically useful. Better to focus on something like the 14 characteristics of fascism and let people do some connecting of the dots...

[ComerPerro]

53. Feminists are Nazis becaue they insist on being treated decently

and with respect.

Apparently that makes them fascists.

[Hekate]

54. "Nazi" gets overused and oversimplified. Try "1984" and USSR for starters

The references to George Orwell's seminal novel and to the former Soviet Union get people's attention in a way that tossing around references to Nazism and Hitler do not.

The Third Reich fell before most people alive now were even born. The Soviet Union is much closer to us, and more people will understand the reference. I also personally believe it is more apt.

Hekate

[DoveTurnedHawk]

58. I Can't Believe This Thread Is Still Around

It's still toward the top of the page as I post this.

Comparing Bush and Hitler is stupid and counter-productive. Reasonable people tune out when you engage in hyperbole like that, because it's absurd.

The term feminazis is ridiculous and absurd as well. But unless someone has killed millions of innocents and plunged the world into war, Hitler comparisons are LAME.

DTH