Democrats Must End Talk of Bush Impeachment...Fox News

[Philosoraptor]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196549,00.html

Step one would be for the Democratic leadership to definitively put to rest any loose talk of impeaching President Bush. They should say in one and two syllable words that impeachment will not happen once they are in the majority and thus take away a potential rallying cry for the beleaguered Republicans.

I know there are people on the left who would like to see Bush impeached but they do harm to the Democratic Party by raising this as a possibility and Democratic leaders should shut them up once and for all.

This is not very complicated. We don’t impeach presidents for incompetence…only for “high crimes and misdemeanors.” The Bush administration is clearly one of the most incompetent in recent times-- if not in our entire 200 year plus history. If we were a parliamentary system, Congress would have long ago passed a vote of “no confidence” and there would be new national elections.

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And you know what? The Dems probably will follow Fox's suggestion.

[Solomon]

1. Hey, you know, while we're at it, why don't we just eschew all things

democratic? Why don't we just take the same positions republicans do?That'll get us elected won't it?

In fact, why don't we just not call ourselves "democrats"? Let's be just like republicans, that'll get us elected,won't it?

Let's take republican positions on everything and be just like republicans.

In fact, why don't we just have one big party?

[Philosoraptor]

2. The Wisdom of Solomon.

Okay now you Democrats promise to play nice with our president, and we'll promise to do the same when you're guy/gal gets in. Yeah....right.

[Leopolds Ghost]

3. Please Change Subject Headline

"Bush administration one of most incompetent in history" -- Fox News

Fox News today suggested that President Bush was not guilty of an impeachable offense because he is one of the most incompetent presidents "in recent times -- if not in our entire 200 year plus history."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196549,00.html

Who wrote this article??

[Philosoraptor]

5. You can't hold it against a man if he's incompetent can you?

You can't remove a guy from the office of president just for that can you?

A Nazi wrote the article.

[TomClash]

11. As a wise friend of mine pointed out . . .

. . . he would be convicted of three of the four counts brought against the Nazis at Nuremberg.

[DemoTex]

21. Maybe even four of the four Nuremberg counts ..

Nuremberg Indictments

Count One: Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War
This count helped address the crimes committed before the war began, showing a plan to commit crimes during the war.

Count Two: Waging Aggressive War, or "Crimes Against Peace"
Including “the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances.”

Count Three: War Crimes
These were the more “traditional” violations of the law of war including treatment of prisoners of war, slave labor, and use of outlaws weapons.

Count Four: Crimes Against Humanity
This count involved the actions in concentration camps and other death rampages.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/NurembergIndictments.html

[TomClash]

35. Right now I doubt number 4

Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are not Buchenwald. But with these guys who knows?

[DemoTex]

39. Nuke Iran and #4 is a cinch ..

I was thinking in terms of environmental crimes against humanity, but that would be hard to pin on them. On the other hand, if things get marginally worse environmentally the world will be looking for some heads to roll.

[IndyOp]

43. Haditha is a 'death rampage' --

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343 /

NBC News
By Jim Miklaszewski and Mike Viqueira
Updated: 7:05 p.m. ET May 17, 2006

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon probe into the death of Iraqi civilians last November in the Iraqi city of Haditha will show that U.S. Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood," a U.S. lawmaker said Wednesday.

From the beginning, Iraqis in the town of Haditha said U.S. Marines deliberately killed 15 unarmed Iraqi civilians, including seven women and three children...


On Wednesday (today), Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said the accounts are true.

Military officials told NBC News that the Marine Corps' own evidence appears to show Murtha is right.

[TomClash]

67. Haditha looks a lot like My Lai

But its pretty hard to connect that to Washington.

[jmowreader]

56. Number 4 is also applicable

The Geneva Conventions separate the people in a war into "combatants," who are the people fighting the war, and "noncombatants," who are the innocent bystanders. At Fallujah, far more noncombatants got it than did combatants.

[TomClash]

69. Not really - yet

It has to involve a crime so immense, so grave, it debases humanity as a whole.

Fallujah does not rise to that. If it did, you'd have to put FDR and Truman in the dock for Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[jmowreader]

72. Perhaps they should have been

Right now I'd settle for a jaywalking conviction if it would send Bush back to Crawford.

[mopinko]

50. nuremberg style impeachment

spread the meme.

[Leopolds Ghost]

22. You can't convict a man for his convictions, that's double Jeopardy!

And we all know Bush is a man of his convictions.

[HamdenRice]

36. Fox News: Bush too stupid to be a criminal

That's a defense?

[Us vs Them]

41. "Bush administration one of most incompetent in history" -- Fox News

I know! My jaw hit the keyboard when I read that!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Unfortunately you are right

never mind HIGH CRIMES have been commited and continue to be commited

[DianaForRussFeingold]

6. We've only just begun. I wish this was a video

:spray::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Thanks,I needed a good laugh...

[Leopolds Ghost]

23. We've only just begun...

"In A Time... No... At A Desk!

One Man... Made A Difference... Fighting Iran!"

--Bush, the original Listerine man, practices his lines

[teryang]

7. They're just incompetent?

Everything they've done has been intentional, willful, wrongful, deliberate, and in bad faith.

Having mere incompetents in office would be an upgrade. What we have now is a criminal regime. The possibility that Cheney may have to testify is a shot across the bow from the super rich who make the real decisions. Talk of war with Iran has been subdued. Expansion of the talk of war will result in impeachment by a gradual escalating process intended to degrade the functioning of the hitlerites currently in charge.

[Philosoraptor]

8. Yeah, they're not monsters, just goof-ups.

Oops, I did it again, I goofed up and destroyed America and kicked off a world war.

[midnight]

20. They are not just incompetent.

They are all the things that you mention: a criminal regime.

[Kurovski]

49. And even if crimes are due to incompetence--and I'm not saying

that BushCo's are--you still get impeached, indicted, sent to the Hague, spanked, dunked or whatever that crime demands in exchange for its commission.

[charlie]

9. Country burning down around our ears

and there's no end of simpering morons like Frost. We are in the midst of a history-making calamity, a colossal train wreck, and so many Democrats just can't seem to recognize what's going on and rise to the occasion. GAHHH!! That wimp deserved to be gerrymandered out of a job by DeLay.

[sandnsea]

10. Glad he's not in charge of anything

:banghead:

We probably shouldn't make this an election about impeachment, but we sure as hell shouldn't pretend the man hasn't broken any laws or has this country's best interest at heart. Aaargh!!

[Recursion]

12. "One and two syllable words"?

But "impeachment" has 3...

[Philosoraptor]

13. We promise not impeach worst pres-dent ever, o.k?

Two syllable words.

[tenshi816]

14. So we can't impeach for incompetence,

but we can impeach for lying about extramarital sex? Well, I'm sure glad that's been cleared up.

[marions ghost]

15. condescending BS

from a Democrat. 'Sit down and shut up, children. It's only the usual "incompetence" in the Godless Old Party. We Dems must be tolerant because we're better than that.'
:mad: pooey

[rock]

16. You're propagating right-wing swill

Incompency in a president is as bad for America as criminality is (it may even be worse).

[Philosoraptor]

17. Me?

A bit harsh.

[rock]

18. OK, the characterization is harsh

How about the sentiment?

[charlie]

19. Take it up

with the idiot Democrat who wrote it.

[sendero]

24. I think we should take a page from the Republican play book...

... we should forget talking about impeachment now, but if we get control of the house or senate, push for it.

I don't think we have an obligation to open our kimonos and explain every thing we plan to do. God knows the Republicans never do, they just do it.

[Philosoraptor]

25. Maybe if we'd just asked them nicely not to impeach Bill.....?

They'd have taken our advice?

[midnight]

26. One more thought....

We have just begun to speak about Impeachment...........

[Flubadubya]

27. Lie like a Republican...

I agree... Dems should promise not to impeach W. if they take back the House and Senate. Then, when they DO win back Congress... POP goes the Weasil! :spank:

Lie like a Republican, say we won't do it, and then immediately start the process as soon as we are in control. I have absolutely NO compunction whatsoever on this one. I say... BRING IT ON!! :kick:

[Ganja Ninja]

28. Seems to me the GOP is the one that can't stop talking about ...

impeachment. I think they want us to remove Bush for them so they can make an issue of it in 2008. He's an embarrassment to their party and he no doubt scares them as much as he scares us.

Personally I think impeachment isn't in the Democrats best interest. If we get control of congress we need to leave Bush right where he is. Plus if we remove him we have to remove Cheney too or what's the point?

Leaving him there and trying to marginalize him would work in our favor in 2008. Any Republican candidate that runs for president will have to defend him or her self for previously supporting him. Another 2 years of his idiocy will continue to drag down the GOP in the eyes of the voting public.

The amount of time it would take to impeach Bush and Cheney will leave little or no time for an incoming administration to deal with the problems now facing us, so little will be gained by removing them. Let's focus on the goal of getting rid of the GOP for the long term.

[tlsmith1963]

29. Sorry, Won't Work

Bush deserves to be impeached. I don't throw the word around lightly, either. I don't want him impeached just because he's in the other party & I don't like him. The man is a criminal. I never called for any other Republican President to be impeached (I was very young when Nixon was President). I want Bush out, & I want Cheney out with him. Shut up, Fox News!

Tammy

[Bridget Burke]

30. Is the Impeachment Threat a rallying cry for Republicans?

Or yet another reason to elect Democrats?

[underpants]

31. Yes they are using it as a call to arms a call to volunteer

to protect W.

Sort of the extreme but logical end to their culture of victimization of the white man (see my sig line).

[Bridget Burke]

34. OK. Then WE should use it as a call to arms....

Get enough Democrats elected & impeachment becomes more possible.

[Orsino]

32. "Be silent" is always the first command of the tyrant. n/t

[Philosoraptor]

33. "It'll never happen", the last gasp of the defeated.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. We don't jail drunk drivers when they kill people.

Makes about as much sense as saying "we don't impeach presidents for incompetence".

The author seems to think that "incompetence" has no consequences. Even giving the idiot-in-chief the benefit of the doubt, (that he's a bumbling boob), the results of his alleged "incompetency" result in "high-crimes and misdemeaners".

100,000+ corpses in Iraq may be a result of "incompetency" but they're also the result of crime.

[Hosnon]

38. I agree 100%...but then we must "reignite" the debate when Dems win. nt

[babylonsister]

40. Because Faux said so, I'd tend towards the other direction. nt

[pa28]

42. But he might have an affair with an intern!

So you just can't rule these things out.

[lpbk2713]

44. Blow it out yer ass, Faux.

See what you can do about making Shit-for-Brains somewhat less of a putz, then we'll talk.

[lonestarnot]

45. Fuck Faux Snooze.

[robbedvoter]

46. And in exchange, Fox promises to...ah, nevermind. Just stop!

On edit - wow - incompetent? fearless leader? Just....wow!

[wrate]

47. Dems should limit themselves to stating that the System of Checks and

Balances that guarantees DEMOCRACY will be restored once they regain the house/senate.

[fooj]

48. We sure as hell IMPEACH them for LYING, don't we?

[gasperc]

51. funny how FOX News brings it up 50 times a day

well if FOX NEWS stops headlining maybe the Democrats would stop not talking about because god knows, except for Conyers, we haven't heard a peep from the leadership.

[Bouncy Ball]

52. Fox "News" must kiss my ass.

[jayfish]

53. Hey Fox News!

Fuck-you very much for the advice. I'm sure everyone will just fall in line and fix what's wrong with the Democratic party based on your sterling guidance. Assholes!

Jay

[IChing]

54. Martin Frost the author of this article ran against Dean for party chair.

Frost has seen better days and thank goodness he stepped down
his bid against Dean, so I think we should at least count our blessings.

He is wrong on this and does the democratic grassroots party members a disservice.
He lost out on his district when it was changed by Delay and we got Sessions instead. (Yuk)

They only thing I agree with his OP
is win in 2006.

Baby steps as Richard Dreyfuss said to Bill Murray in the movie
" What about Bob."

I was gonna rant on this guy but he has done
some good in olden days for the Democratic Party.
Now he should just not speak for the party on this matter.

[tuvor]

55. From the same rightwing that brought you the Clinton impeachment trials.

Suck it, gents.

[Imagevision]

57. I hope thay leave Bush in check, have investigations clearly expose

all the illegalities Bush knowingly put in play via Post 06 election hearings/investigations while the jerk ultimately caves and pulls a Nixon and resigns his way out of DC.

Impeaching is too easy -- too good for him.

[leesa]

58. So they haven't noticed any high crimes and misdemeanors? Crack

investigative team there!

[Imagevision]

64. It's really imperative Rove be indicted and others start resigning - it's

the timing, like the way Fitzgerald is handling libby Cheney Plame etc...

[proud patriot]

59. Fuck Fox News

they can kiss my patriotic ass :kick:

[IChing]

61. The guy that wrote this was a big time Democratic house member.

and could have been the Democratic Chairman of the Party today.
Sad but he his mind and principles have compromised since working AT Fox
because now he is working FOR Fox

[LuCifer]

60. Fine then, JAIL BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip impeachment and do not pass go/collect 200 dollar, and OFF TO JAIL!
How about THAT fux nukes?!?!?! You like that bitches?! If not, FUKU!

[Polemicist]

62. Democrats should investigate, not impeach...

to determine the facts about so many failures of the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress, should Democrats achieve a majority in Congress this fall. That being said, if high crimes and misdemeanors are discovered to have been committed by the President, then it is the Duty of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

No one wants to endure impeachment again. Especially after the abuse of investigations and abuse of impeachment by Republicans in te 1990's. So we must approach this with the utmost honesty and humility in service to the people of America.

So I would say this. Democrats do not go into this election seeking a victory in order to impeach President Bush. We seek a victory on behalf of America, to correct the wrongs done by the previous government. And that will be our first and primary responsibility, to act on behalf of the People of America.

But we can't ignore criminality, if uncovered. And we must determine the facts about so many failures that have plagued our nation, such as Iraq and Katrina and on and on. Because the first step in correcting mistakes is to understand when and how they occurred.

[rocktivity]

63. Those goofballs at The Onion--how DO they do it?

...We don’t impeach presidents for incompetence--only for “high crimes and misdemeanors.” The Bush administration is clearly one of the most incompetent in recent times--if not in our entire 200 year plus history. If we were a parliamentary system, Congress would have long ago passed a vote of “no confidence” and there would be new national elections. We are, however, not a parliamentary system so we are stuck with Bush for two and half more years...

Ordering the outing of a covert CIA agent, lying us into a war, and usurping what are supposed to be co-equal branches of government are acts of INCOMPETENCE??? Stop it, you guys, you're killing me! I don't know why this is on the Fox News site rather than your own, but by George (if you'll pardon the expression), you Onion guys have done it AGAIN!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Phrogman]

65. Why couldn't they just LIE and say "we won't impeach him"

Than damn well do it anyway.

[B Calm]

66. Why does FOX News hate America?

[Bluebear]

68. Democrats to Fox News: Fuck off. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

70. Stop talking about it, and JUST DO IT!

[dave123williams]

71. Well, I guess FoxNews can take their advice, and cram it.

Impeach the chimp. He's earned it.

[porphyrian]

73. Yeah, fuck that piece of shit murdoch abortion and its advice. - n/t

[Marr]

74. "Hannibal should lose the elephants", says Rome.

"They're really going to get in the way".

[Jodin]

75. Arguments Against Impeachment...

Arguments Against Impeachment...
•But won't we then get President Cheney?
Any impeachment process would include Cheney, and probably Rumsfeld and Rice. It would also disgrace the entire Bush Administration.

•We should wait until after Democrats gain majority status after the November elections, or else we'll seem too 'extreme.'
SHEDDING LIGHT ON BUSH'S CRIMES AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S COMPLICITY IN THOSE CRIMES IS THE BEST WAY TO GET DEMOCRATS ELECTED. Demanding impeachment is one effective way of doing that. (We need a Democratic majority in Congress in order to get subpoena power. This will allow us to finally investigate the crimes that this administration has been committing, which will lead to impeachment.)

Secondly, demanding that crimes be investigated IS NOT extreme.

Further, waiting until November - in addition to hurting us in the elections - will leave us complicit in any further crimes Bush commits. The Union of Concerned Scientists has estimated that the death toll from a "tactical" nuclear weapon of the kind Bush is contemplating using in Iran would be at minimum 3 million men, women, and children. The path of death would stretch across country boundaries into India.

Also, there's no guarantee Democrats will gain majority status after the November elections. So our strategy shouldn't rely upon it.

•It'll never happen, the republicans will block it.
Today's impossibility is tomorrow's reality. All we need is for a few Republican Congress members to realize that tying their political future to Bush reduces their chances of getting elected. Remember, one way or another, Bush is gone by 2008 — but members of Congress may retain their offices beyond that date. Bush's poll numbers are extremely low, and most Americans support impeachment. This means that if we make the pressure unbearable for Republican members of Congress, they'll turn on him to keep their own seats (like they did with Nixon). It's already starting to happen. While the Republicans have behaved unethically in the last few years, it's important to understand that this is related to their warped view of what's in their self-interest. Let's wake them up to their true self-interest (impeaching the president), by showing them our support for impeachment now!

Finally , making sure you can look back and be proud of your opposition to this tyranny is priceless.

•It hurts the democracy to go through a presidential impeachment.
Holding government officials accountable for their actions strengthens our democracy. Letting lawlessness stand weakens it.

•If we don't support our president, we aid the terrorists.
We support terrorism when we fail to deal with its root causes (poverty, lack of education, support of dictatorships, etc.). We also support it by enabling a president who creates breeding grounds for terrorists — like Iraq has now become, thanks to our invasion and occupation.

Middle Eastern countries upset with the oppressive international policies of the past and current administration might think better of the U.S. if we appeared to learn from our mistakes by impeaching a president who has been so instrumental in that oppression.

Side note:
Some Democratic Members of Congress have indicated that they're not currently pursuing impeachment. While this is upsetting, they percieve it to be in their (and the Democratic Party's) political best interest. At least until the political pressure builds. There are also other reasons they're waiting. But, one of the things they're waiting for is us. We are part of the process. They're waiting for us to help them out, by legitimizing their support for the process. Having millions of ImpeachForPeace.org's "Do-It-Yourself Impeachment" arrive at their door is how that happens.

[BlooInBloo]

76. Britain should stop funding the R.A.F., says Germany.

Sheesh.

[Triana]

77. I haven't heard many of them talking about impeachment anyway...

...not NEARLY enough of them. :evilgrin:

By GOD if they can impeach presidents for BLOWJOBS we can certainly impeach them for INCOMPETENCE. And we SHOULD.