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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:25 PM
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Victory for the Internet
Thursday, May 25, 2006

V For Victory

by digby

Give a big shout out to Move-On and Matt Stoller for successfully turning out grassroots support for net neutrality. It just passed the House judiciary committee 20-13.

This was a real grassroots victory --- until recently, it seemed like an easy gimme to the wealthy telcos. This is good news for us intrepid bloggers, but it's good news for the internet in general. Much like the FEC regulations that we managed to stave off earlier my support for net neutrality not based upon a general disdain for regulation. Regulation is often a necessary thing. But this medium is just too new, too important and too democratizing to allow corporate interests to sneak in the back door with phony concerns designed simply to enhance their profits at others' expense.

If the internet needs regulating in some presently unimagined way, I'm sure we will all see it. Right now, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114857983198712473
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:54 PM
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1. that is good news - the telco's need a new fee structure for bandwidth
Edited on Thu May-25-06 02:55 PM by papau
usuage/latency, but do they need to end net neutrality? In any case:

Bill for Net Neutrality Passes House Judiciary Committee, 20-13
by Matt Stoller, Thu May 25, 2006 at 01:37:11 PM EST

Here's the roll call vote for the House Judiciary Committee. This is an amazing turnaround, from a bipartisan stance against net neutrality, to a bipartisan stance for net neutrality. The battle isn't over, but enjoy this victory.

Democrats
Conyers - yes
Berman - yes
Boucher - yes
Nadler - yes
Scott - yes
Watt - not voting
Lofgren - yes
Jackson-Lee - yes
Waters - yes
Meehan - not voting
Delahunt - present
Wexler - yes
Weiner - yes
Schiff - yes
Sanchez, Linda - yes
Van Hollen - yes
Wasserman Schultz - yes

Republicans
Sensenbrenner - yes
Hyde - didn't vote
Coble - no
Smith - no
Gallegly - no
Goodlate - yes
Chabot - no
Lungren - yes
Jenkins - yes
Cannon - yes
Bachus - no
Inglis - yes
Hostetler - no
Green - no
Keller - no
Flake - not voting
Pence - not voting
Forbes - no
King - no
Feeney - no
Frank - no
Gohmert - not voting

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http://weblog.infoworld.com/smbit/archives/2006/05/fcc_can_impose.html
According to a story in Multichannel News by Ted Hearn, FCC commissioner Michael Copps has announced that he feels all this legal wrangling on the Hill is unnecessary. Copps says that the FCC has all the authority it needs under current law to impose a Net Neutrality policy that would ensure that cell carriers and Web broadband providers can't discriminate against Web content providers, Web application hosters and search engine services.

Unfortunately, while Copps is the FCC commissioner, the FCC's chairman, Kevin Martin, doesn't favor a regulatory approach to Net Neutrality. That genius wants to deregulate everything and see what happens even though it's become patently obvious what will happen -- tiered pricing and content restrictions aimed specifically at discriminating at a wide variety of Web businesses and even Web users.
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http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/2605
(expect)an increase of 20% for 'premium packets' ... adding tens of millions of dollars to their internet connectivity bill (but what offsets wirelesslysharing one landline so as to cut down telco revenue)

.... just like cable, the telcos are going to have to PAY EXTRA to host specialized content. Just like cablecos pay ESPN a few bucks per customer, so will phone companies have to pay for their content ... a mildly interesting 'debate' on the topic online today at the Wall Street Journal, Craig Newmark and Mike McCurry trade jabs ... For its part, Google will keep spending upon the millions it already invests in backbone infrastructure to ensure that its services work well over the regular Internet."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
The arguments against network neutrality as a principle take three forms. The first and most common says that packet-level discrimination is absolutely necessary in order to provide Quality of Service on any packet network, and broadly-written regulations such as the Markey Amendment would ban it.

Another argument says that service bundling is necessary to encourage investment in the networks of the future. If a broadband carrier is, for example, allowed to charge more for a high-priority voice service when competing services such as Skype run at standard priority, the carrier's voice service will sound better, and this will limit Skype's appeal while increasing the carrier's revenue.....(but) there may be less distortionary ways to encourage carriers to build out their network, such as using the tax code, or government funding.

Another argument against network neutrality relies on the economics of congestion. A neutral network is like a public good, leading to collective action or tragedy of the commons-like problems. Hence a provider may need to discriminate as between users or usage to ensure maximum network performance. For example, if some one use up too much bandwidth, this argument suggests, a network operator should be allowed to slow it down. The typical answer to this argument goes as follows. There may be more and less distortionary ways of managing bandwidth -- and blocking or disfavoring certain applications is more distortionary. A more neutral way of managing bandwidth is to manage bandwidth at the consumer side - i.e., to limit the users to, say, x gigabytes per month after which their transfer rate is reduced, instead of banning applications (systems of this type have been employed in other countries, e.g. Australia)....(but service providers do)not want to charge their users for using higher bandwidth ...(proposing instead) to charge content providers to offset the higher bandwidth charges of the end users. This argument omits the fact that content providers already pay a service provider to host data on Internet for end users to consume.

The third argument is deregulatory...(but)Most high speed network providers are cable or telephone companies who are granted local monopolies by the government. Government granted monopolies must be regulated because if the monopolies act improperly market forces don't exist to correct the behavior. The increasing use of Voice over IP, VoIP, and its latency requirements.

Network Neutrality proposals can take many forms. While all share some features, some of the specific proposals are:

Most Favored Nation -- operators must offer to all companies transit on equal terms, and cannot discriminate as between them;
Radical Bit Anti-Discrimination -- operators must pass all packets blindly, and never make any decisions based on information specific to any packet;
Enough and as Good -- if operators prioritize bandwidth, they must leave enough and as good bandwidth to permit non-prioritized services to reach consumers;
Tiering only -- Operators may discriminate as between their customers, but must offer the same services to content, application,and service providers;
Police what you own -- Operators may exercise discrimination with respect to entirely private networks, but not inter-networks

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NetCompetition1 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:16 PM
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8. Not as it appears . . .
This was a turf battle, not an ideological triumph for net neutrality.

"many members of the committee said they were voting for the legislation not because of strong concerns over Net neutrality--but instead because of a turf battle. They said they were worried that a competing proposal already approved by a different committee last month would diminish their own influence in the future."

http://news.com.com/House+panel+votes+for+Net+neutrality/2100-1028_3-6077007.html?tag=nefd.lede
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:58 PM
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14. Hi NetCompetition1!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:15 AM
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18. Thanks for pointing this out. The real motive is not necessarily good news
Further to the paragraph you posted:

"That other bill, called the Communications Opportunity, Promotion and Enhancement, or COPE, Act, says the Federal Communications Commission "shall have exclusive authority" to investigate violations of Net neutrality principles. It's backed by Rep. Joe Barton, a Texas Republican who heads the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and does not include strict Net neutrality mandates."

I knew there had to be more to this story. Petitions have become purely symbolic. None of our representatives ever cast a vote anymore in the public interest because they've been swayed by signatures.

It's something I'm reluctant to admit, but truly seems to be what's become of our "democracy."

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:22 PM
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9. Still trying to figure out why Sensenbrenner joined with Conyers
on this.

Yay, a good day this is. Thanks for posting.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:29 PM
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2. Thank you for posting this. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:36 PM
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3. K&R
:kick:
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:47 PM
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4. Good. Now, about that Telecommuncations Act of 1996...
Oh well, I guess we'll have to take that out once we win the House.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:55 PM
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5. Yay. Now let's hope it goes all the way.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:03 PM
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6. awesome!
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:09 PM
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7. Good... news...? Pardon me, but-
I'm afraid I don't know how to react. I haven't heard good news in years.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:09 PM
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10. K&R
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:17 PM
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11. Yay!
The calls and emails did help!
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:25 PM
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12. Excellent! And thanks to the poster who posted the roll call, too.

:hi:

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:29 PM
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13. The issue isn't over
But this is a good start and a good sign. Yay :)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:26 PM
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15. Great Jen Sorensen CARTOON: "Web of Deception":
Edited on Thu May-25-06 06:27 PM by Nothing Without Hope


K & R - thanks for this good news!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:00 PM
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16. Pinch me!
Actually, I changed my mind. Don't wake me up. I am having a good dream for a change.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:50 AM
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17. I can't believe this...but I'll rejouce...K&R
I was there when the Telcos tried to do this in 1987-88...yep, it's true.

Telenet and Tymnet were what we call the Internet and Telenet was damn good.

The Telcos wanted to charge an add on amount for every local call that went to a Telenet or Tymnet Point of Presence on their national network. No real reason for the charge other that to kill these ocmpoanies and put in their own lousy networks. They even hired a former Nader Raider, Sam Simon, Lawyer, who put together a "grass roots" group of the elderly who "lobbied" in behalf of Telcos for this bill because it was fair. Sam Simon's Issues Dynamics HQ in DC was the lobbying firm Nader used as his presidential campaign HQ or something like that which got him in trouble with the FEC.
http://www.newnetworks.com/skunkworks101.html


GREAT WORK AND THANK YOU TO THE ORGANIZERS OF THIS. IT WAS THE EASIEST CAMPAIGN TO SUPPORT BECAUSE IT WAS SO WELL ORGANIZED.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:29 AM
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19. Yes. Let us ALL rejouce!
Sorry. Couldn't help it.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:14 PM
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20. If it's a law then bushco will not observe it.
Then what can we do?

We can do what we have done with every other law he broke....

We can go pound sand.
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