The trailor for the new "9/11" movie with Nicholas Cage almost made me cry

[Thtwudbeme]

last night in the movie theatre.

I almost wept for a country that has citizens that are trashy enough to actually want to visualize the inside of the World Trade Center AS IT FELL on those people.

No, seeing those god-awful newsreels of that god awful day wasn't enough for us. Oh hell no. We want the rest! We want a sensationalistic "artist's" rendition of EXACTLY what it looked liked! Sounded like! That way we can fantasize about what it FELT like.

This is much much sicker, and even more insidious that the weird horror/disaster movies of the seventies where we got to SEE! SEE the inside of a burning skyscraper! Witness the horror of a human as s/he decided to jump out a 100 floor window rather than be cremated alive- more insidious, because this shit was real.

Add to that our goverments total lack of response to the early warnings of a terrorist attack...and that is why I almost cried.

Wept. Our country is sick. We have become not just death mongers, but death lovers.

And shame..shame on Nicholas Cage.

[Cornus]

1. Saw that trailer...

...last week and had a similar reaction. Put that movie on my BSTM list...that's *Be Sure To Miss*.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. There is no more restraint

in the entertainment world.

[Yollam]

9. There were World War 2 movies made during WW2...

...and they were blatantly propagandistic. From Here to Eternity brought Pearl Harbor to the screen as vividly as was possible at the time, and "Pearl Harbor" tried to make it into eye candy. This is nothing new at all. I'm looking forward to the film. I hope it's as brilliant as JFK.

[Glorfindel]

3. I tend to agree, and I certainly won't see it, BUT

this is nothing new. Think of all the "Pearl Harbor" and "Titanic" movies. Hell, a silent version of "The Poseidon Adventure" was being shown on the Titanic when it struck the iceberg. Humanity's fascination with catastrophe has always been with us and always will. :( What I'd REALLY like to see is a true-to-life version of MIHOP, showing how the "disaster" was orchestrated and stage-managed. Fat chance of that, though.

[madokie]

5. All the movies about Vietnam, forest gump was the only one I could watch

and I about dehydrated watching it. A friend asked me when paint balling first got started if I wanted to go with him one sunday. Before I even thought about it I said who in his right mind would want to go play War, only those who haven't been or the ones who liked it.

[Glorfindel]

28. I liked "Full Metal Jacket" because who WOULDN'T want to

shoot his drill sergeant? And the "me so horny" scene was just right, too. But I agree 1,000% about paintballing. I hope the silly little boys (of whatever age) who like playing war never, ever have to taste of it themselves. Truly, sincerely I do.

[Bucky]

26. "silent version of 'Poseidon Adventure' on the Titanic" --fell for a hoax

Hell, a silent version of "The Poseidon Adventure" was being shown on the Titanic

Heh. That's a hoax made up by the Snopes website, which specializes in urban legends. There have only been two versions ever made of the Poseidon Adventure, the remake in 2006 and the good one in 1973.

Here's the hoax and here they debunk it.

[Glorfindel]

29. Aw, phooey! I shoulda known it was just too good to be true!

At least I'm in good company, hoax-wise. Thanks for the correction. But I sure did enjoy the Gene Hackman version of the Poseidon Adventure. I'd never heard of it, and just went to see it because there was nothing else of any particular interest to do that night. Also, my friend & I had just smoked a joint and needed some popcorn. *Whoa!* That movie blew us away. Sorry for spreading false info. - wish I could say it will never happen again....
:blush:

[BlueManDude]

4. Flight 93 (film) didn't make much of a splash

from what I can tell after the all the pre-release hype.

perhaps people have less of the desire to relive that day then you think?

9/11 was a traumatic day but I refuse to be permanently traumatized by it.

[onehandle]

6. Flight 93 flopped, as it should have.

This one has substance and has a big name director (although I'm not a fan) and a big star.

This one will not flop. How big it will be is the question.

[Sugar Smack]

7. Can you imagine the families of the victims

having to be exposed to this kind of shit? There is no integrity in this. There's no good that could possibly come from the making of such a movie. I'm really hoping that people avoid it.

[Yollam]

10. Two of the survivors participated in it.

Two men who lost a LOT of close friends that day. The film is about them, and was made with their full blessing.

I have a lot of trouble understanding people who condemn a work of art that they've never seen...

[phylny]

34. One of the men, John McLoughlin, lives around the corner from me.

While I don't condemn the movie, I just can't imagine wanting to go see it. There's nothing that I need to see to understand the horror of that day, nor do I care to relive it.

[Yollam]

8. Shame on you for judging a movie based on a trailer.

Oliver Stone is nothing if not a concerned American Citizen. There was a tacky propaganda film in 2003 that made Bush out to be a hero:



The TV series "Rescue Me" has dealt with firefighters living with the memories of 9-11. There was just recently a film about Flight 93, showing what happened inside the cockpit.

Did those films bother you too?

There would be something sick about getting a kick out of this film as though it were just another disaster film, but I don't think that's what the filmmaker is trying to do, and you sure as hell cannot judge it based on a trailer.

The film tells the story of two firefighters who survived, and I think it's meant to be an uplifting one.

Oliver Stone has a track record of making brilliant films, as well as a few incredible stinkers. I would hope that this is one one of the brilliant ones. There is all kinds of mindless "entertainment" being peddled at the multiplex today. I'm betting that World Trade Center is a cut above those.

[Thtwudbeme]

19. Put a lid on it Gollum

Shame on me for being sick over the exploitation of Sept.11th for capitalistic purposes wrapped up in sentimental horseshit?

As far as the two survivors are concerned, you don't have a damned clue about their motives for participation in this Hollywood Schlock. I was a paramedic for the better part of a decade, and I can tell you that paramedic/firefighters/police officers are just like "regular people." There are some that are just as selfish as anybody else in any other profession. Just because you have decided to buy into this money making venture so you can satisfy some ghoulish desire to see what "it was really really like..." well...whatever.

Go and write a review of it that will make you happy. That is what public boards are for.

[Yollam]

21. You have no idea what Stone plans to do with the money

Or the studio, or the firefighters. One person's "ghoulish entertainment" is another person's catharsis or inspiration. What a bitter and judgmental person you must be. Ghoulish greed was when the news networks played the footage of the collapsing towers OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, and when they puffed up Bush into some phony cowboy hero.

And I won't write a review for the film because, like you, I HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

Nobody is going to be forced to watch this film. And there are always plenty of mindless action films and dry documentaries for people who want to see them. If this type of film is not your cup of tea, fine. Don't see it. But don't load your own preconceptions on the filmmakers and audience just because you personally find it distasteful.

[Roland99]

31. Were you this upset over "Pearl Harbor". Something tells me you weren't.

[Thtwudbeme]

38. There was a little more time for history to digest that story

This is fresh, and it's not about a war.

[Postman]

11. The tragedy of "WTC" is how Bush used it for PNAC's Iraq quagmire

9/11 will forever be remembered as a day that the Bush Administration used to push forward the PNAC plan of grabbing Iraq's oil wealth and NOT getting the people responsible for that day.

[lumpy]

12. Movies are history books for many people..

Unfortunately. There ar those that prefer not to read or live history. Many people refer to movies while reviewing history. And I agree, people do indulge in witnessing death and mayhem. Movies/videos are the perfect medium. Stories of the sick side of life sell.

[Yollam]

14. Two firefighters who rescued people, lost friends, got trapped in rubble..

...and managed to survive the attack are "the sick side of life"?


:wtf: :shrug:

[William769]

13. We are a capitalistic society, they have every right to make that movie.

It's up to the people to decide to watch it or not.

I for one will not watch it, but there are those who will.

[Yollam]

15. Reeneacting dramatic historic events is as old as humankind...

...only the realism with which Hollywood is now able to depict it is new.

I'd much rather see this than something loud and dumb like "X-men", or something cute and trendy like "Sideways" (not that I have anything against those films).

But really, why is this any different than Schindler's list, or JFK, or The Killing Fields?

It's telling a story of something that really took place. Here's hoping it's done in a respectful, compelling way. I can't believe there are liberals condemning art they've never seen. I thought only right-wingers did that.

[Postman]

17. "Triumph of the Will" I've never seen. I condemn it.

now what?

Propaganda is propaganda.

What Bush has done with 9/11 is a travesty of justice.

[Yollam]

22. Stone is rabidly anti-Bush.

This film may be any number of things. A glorification of Bush or his "War on Terra", I guarantee you it will not.

[Postman]

25. Oliver Stone being who he is would have done better to do a movie

on how 9/11 was used as tool to start an unrelated war in Iraq resulting in the f*ckstory it is today.

Brave cops and firemen died in the WTC. I get it.

[Yollam]

27. Okay, I'll say this ONE LAST TIME...

NONE OF US HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE.

My guess is that he wants to get people into the theaters to see the film. This trailer is a lot more likely to do that than something that looks like a rehash of Fahrenheit 9-11. Granted, any blows against Bushco in this film will probably glancing or subtle ones, but I am expecting them. What would be gained by preaching to the choir with another F-911? This film will reach the "These Colors Don't Run" crowd, and hopefully be the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of destroying any remaining support for the POS in the White House.


And I'm willing to bet that there will be all kinds of reports on what a liar and a nutjob Stone is ALL OVER the corporate media when it opens. Bet on it.

[Toucano]

36. Curious.

The OP never said they didn't have the right to make this movie.

The post didn't call for a boycott or a ban or imprisoning anyone - nothing that would challenge the right for the film to be made.

Why do you feel the need to affirm the right to make the movie when it isn't even being challenged? Did you think the original post was challenging the right of the film to be made?

[King Coal]

16. Welcome to the human race. Get a grip.

[dailykoff]

18. Anything but the truth is propaganda

and so far this sounds like anything but the truth. Too bad. I expected more from these talented people. I hope they'll suprise us but I doubt it.

[Terran1212]

20. Because its Oliver Stone I'll give it a shot

Stone is amazing at capturing the American essence

From JFK and Nixon to Born on the Forth of July, the man is amazing.

[kahleefornia]

23. People watch because

seeing details makes them feel a little more in control. A thing is less scary when you know more about it. So, you can watch films on 9/11 and of course sit and think "ok, well, if I was there, I would have run down the stairs right away and not listened to the people telling me to stay where I was and wait, so I would have been OK."

It's not a sign of sickness, it's a sign of fear and weakness.

This is why horror movies that show a lot of gore are not as scary as "thriller" movies where you don't know what/where/who the monster is or what is going to happen. That's my airmchair psychology take on it, anyway.

[LWolf]

24. I had the same reaction.

That trailer followed the one for the remake of "omen." I was thinking,

"What a summer movie season it will be; scare the masses with religious paranoia, then hit them with the 9/11 propaganda. I think I'll stay home this summer."

[Roland99]

30. I say BRAVO! BRAVO! To Cage and Scorcese for making the film.

It's about the last two men pulled out of the WTC.

It's going to be controversial because of the subject matter but, come the f on, it's been almost 5 years. It's time....It's beyond time.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. Actually, it's Oliver Stone and Cage, not Scorsese.

Sorry, had to nitpick. :hi:

[Roland99]

42. Ah, yes...my bad

;)

[Jara sang]

32. To the dungeon with ye!!!

[frankenforpres]

33. here is a link to trailer

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/wtc/small.html

[Toucano]

35. I don't understand why people want to see this.

Maybe they don't.

Flight 93 has only done 25 million with almost 1700 screens.

Farenheit 9/11 did 23 million in it's opening weekend with 800 screens.

[uppityperson]

37. SPOLIER here

It is dramatic. Lots of drama. Then the buildings fall down trapping Nicholas Cage but he gets rescued and gets out. (sorry, had to do it). No desire to see this movie, won't pay for anyone to see it but I won't stand in the way of people who want to.

[frankenforpres]

40. how is that a spoiler

was it also a spoiler if you told people that the japanese bomb pearl harbor in the movie?

[uppityperson]

41. They did? Dang, you just spoiled that movie for me

:sarcasm: sometimes I don't put this smiley in when it seems obvious I didn't need to.

[Ilsa]

43. Same here. Saw it before DaVinci Code. Made me fee like an

unwilling voyeur just by sitting in the theatre.

[CTyankee]

44. If it was made by Oliver Stone, I will probably see it

altho it will be hard to do so.

I loved Stone's "JFK" altho I questioned a lot of his premises. What I liked was his film making, his artistry in making a movie.
I think he has a gift of authenticity (I realize I have contradicted myself a bit here).

I think it is hard for us to see these movies because right now it is hard for us to make peace with 9/11. It has been used as a cheap plastic charge card for this administration to run up a bill in Iraq that will burden our grandchildren. We are sick of that. So when a movie comes along that brings out characters from that day, we can be repelled.

C'mon folks. Bush is our enemy here. Not Oliver Stone.