I hate the psycho-in-chief. I hate Dick, shoot 'em up, Cheney.

[in_cog_ni_to]

I hate, warmonger, Donald Rumsfeld. I hate CondiLIAR Rice. I hate Colin Powell. I hate Paul Wolfowitz. I hate Perle. I hate Libby. I hate KKKRove. I hate everyone and anyone who supported the ILLEGAL INVASION of Iraq.

Have you watched the documentary on HBO, Baghdad ER? If not, WATCH IT. THIS IS WHAT THESE RAT BASTARDS HAVE DONE WITH THEIR FUCKING lies. THIS is what they have done because of $$$$$$$$ and OIL. This is what they have done for nothing but GREED. I hate them all. Our poor soldiers are paying the price. They lose legs, arms, fingers, hands, eyes and their LIVES....for WHAT? FOR GREED!

One of the ER doctors told a joke that DISGUSTED me. He told this joke after they had to amputate a leg from a soldier: "The doctor says to his patient, Well, I have good news for you and I have bad news for you, which do you want to hear first? The good news or the bad news?" The patient: "Give me the bad news first that way when you give me the good news, the bad news may not seem so bad." Doctor: "OK, the bad news is, I had to amputate both of you legs." Soldier: "Wow! How could any news cheer me up after THAT bad news?" Doctor: "Well, the good news is the soldier in the next room wants to buy your shoes!"

IS THAT DISGUSTING? The doctor's excuse was...they tell dark humored jokes in order to stay sane??? That joke was SICK and turned my stomach. I didn't find it the least bit funny. Who could possibly joke about people whose lives are destroyed forever....BECAUSE OF LIES? Had this fucking war never happened, ALL of those soldiers would have their limbs, eyes, lives and healthy MINDS. It truly made me SICK.

I HATE the psycho-in-chief and his entire warmongering cabal for what they have done! If you have HBO...see Baghdad ER. EVERYONE in this country should see this documentary. Maybe then they would hate this fucking war as much as I do.

[stellanoir]

1. Though I certainly understand where you have

been inspired to feel such intense hatred, have you ever considered that these less than human beings may just thrive on our hatred? They certainly aren't about love.

I wonder about that quite often. Whether hatred keeps them in power.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. EVOTING machines keep them in power. MOST of the US citizens want these

warmongers OUT OF POWER. Their poll numbers are in the toilet.

[stellanoir]

8. I don't disagree with either

the nefarious nature of EVM's nor the fact that even the manipulated polls reflect widespread distain towards our so-called leadership despite the media being their total apologists.

I just think anger is supposed to be a motivator for redemptive action and such hatred can be paralyzing.

Here is a thread from last year that addressed this whole matter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3569357

[robbedvoter]

3. Apathy keeps them in power. And Diebold.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Apathy got them to where they are in the first place....and Diebold.

Had MORE peole voted in 2000, we wouldn't be in this situation.:(

[robbedvoter]

35. 6 million votes thrown away in 2000 nationwide

That we know of. These days I use "Diebold" as short hand for all the tricks - no machines, butterfly ballots, blocked roads, clear choice purging voting rolls etc.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

5. in_cog_ni_to, please rethink your response to the "dark" humor

on display by the medical providers.

I know if I was routinely involved in amputating limbs off young, healthy men and women, day in and day out, for no apparent fucking reason, I'd resort to some kind of humor in a bid to stay fairly sane.

I hope you can understand how hard it this situation is for those who are caring for our soldiers. MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. I'm sorry. I saw no humor in it.

I could understand any other kind of joke being told in the ER to stay sane, but a joke about amputating soldier's legs? It really did make me sick and very, very sad.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

9. I can tell you wouldn't understand hospice nurses, either.

Humor is a way of coping. Get together with some hospice nurses or pediatric oncologists sometimes. They will blow you away.

But when the time comes to use their skills and heart to care for patients, they deliver the goods.

You obviously have never to cared for and then let go of patients, on a day to day basis. Nor, have you had to be party to saving their lives by disfiguring them.

You have no problem passing judgement, though. MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. Hospice nurses and doctors joke about CANCER? I didn't know that. I'm not

a nurse and I've not been in the situation to care for cancer patients, but I would be highly offended by anyone joking about cancer...it's NOTHING to joke about. My father had prostate cancer and had anyone ever made a joke about it, well, let's just say I wouldn't have laughed.

I posted that I can understand OTHER TYPES OF JOKES TO STAY SANE, but NOT jokes about soldiers losing their limbs in a war based on LIES. A joke about cancer isn't funny to me either. Cancer is a DEADLY disease. What's so funny about that? Joking about anything like that is offensive to me.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

13. It's a pressure valve release, that's all it is. I would suggest you

volunteer some of your time to help severely ill or dying patients.

Hospices are always needing volunteers.

Before you judge, you should walk a mile in their shoes. And not spend three quarters of your OP trashing the good people caring for our soldiers. MKJ

edited to add...why you're in no position to judge, from your post..

I'm not a nurse and I've not been in the situation to care for cancer patients, but..

as you explain why it's so wrong, again.

MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. I trashed his JOKE and find it misplaced and vulgar. Sorry I touched a

nerve. I take it you tell such jokes and find them funny? I don't. Joking about things like cancer and soldiers losing limbs in an ILLEGAL WAR is distasteful no matter what the excuse is, release valve or not. Tell OTHER kinds of jokes. Joking about legs being cut off is NOT funny.....ESPECIALLY when it's about soldiers and illegal wars. It's disgusting.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

16. You spent two paragraphs in your rant calling the doctors "disgusting"

Going after the people who care for our soldiers is bullshit. MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. NO...you finding a joke about soldiers being blown to bits, funny

is bullshit! Obviously, you have made such disgusting jokes, otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive. War and cancer are NOTHING to joke about. Period.

and it's a rant against the ILLEGAL, SENSELESS WAR BASED ON LIES.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

20. Well, you spent more time on trashing the medical personnel than you did

trashing the policies and the war.

I never said I found it funny. I said that you were being hard line and judgemental of the men and women caring for our wounded soldiers because you didn't like one thing that they said.

You sound almost like a...hmmm? MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. I was judgemental about ONE doctor and his SICK joke.

Please, get your facts straight if you're going to insult me. Now I'm a freeper? :rofl::rofl::rofl: Honey, I've been in this place since day one and everyone here knows it.

War is nothing to joke about. Cancer is nothing to joke about. Illegal wars are nothing to joke about. Obviously, you find humor in those things. I do not.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

27. Thanks for explaining what things we can and cannot joke about. n/t

MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. You're welcome. n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

18. I can attest to this, too

Back in the late 1970s I worked for a few years at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. Clearly one of the very finest health care institutions on the planet. The staf was incredibly caring, skillful, and competent - right down to the janitors. It really is a great place.

It is also in the heart of one of Baltimore's worst neighbohoods and their ER is the destination for the results of the Saturday night shoot-em-ups, drug ODs, battered women and kids, etc., etc., etc. The worst of humam inhumanity comes through those doors at a frightening rate.

I became friendly with some of the ER staff - docs, nurses, others.

Black humor is everywhere. Humor that would make your head explode with its seeming callousness. **Really** callous. But it is purely a coping mechanism. No one can see what they see there and not be deeply affected. No human can stay sane in the face of it all without some method for release. The callousness of the humor in NO WAY equates to the very real caring nature of the people who deal in it.

My youngest son's SO is an ICU nurse. Again, a very caring person. VERY. But she uses black humor, too.

Its that or its pills or booze, I guess. That environment really does play hell with one's head.

I can only imagine what a battlefield ER would be like.

on edit: One point I failed to add ..... the humor, such as it is, is generally reserved for private/staff-only times and places. I'm not aware of any of it being in earshot of patients or patient families.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Thanks for your observations, H2S.

Right on the money. "If we couldn't laugh, we would all go insane" MKJ

[Stinky The Clown]

32. In fairness, I also understand where In_cog_nito's coming from

As I think I said, I didn't see the show, but to make such a joke *to the patient* seems, on its face, at least, pretty insensitive. But I would ascribe no further weight to the comment than face value, particularly in what it says about the otherwise anonymous doctor who said it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. He told the joke to the other doctors and nurses there. The patient

was still under from having his leg sawed off...which they showed, BTW.:cry: It was so damn sad.

[0007]

6. Sick sick sick fucking sick......

The only way to get even with these sick non-human beings is to take their money, then bulldoze their homes.

[lonestarnot]

11. Nice.

[Aviation Pro]

12. I've always said that that is the only way to get these evil people's....

....attention.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

14. I can't believe this rant against the medical providers saving lives

got an R! MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. It's NOT a rant about service providers saving lives! It's a rant

about the DISGUSTING FUCKING JOKE HE TOLD AFTER HE CHOPPED OFF A SOLDIER'S LEG WHO WAS BLOWN UP BY AN IED! It was NOT funny and I find it disgraceful that ANY Democrat thinks it IS funny! THE BOY LOST HIS LEG BECAUSE HE'S FIGHTING AN ILLEGAL WAR BASED ON FUCKING LIES! IT DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN AND I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU FIND IT ACCEPTABLE! Sick. It's Absolutely sick that anyone finds HUMOR IN WAR!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

21. If you think it's sick to find humor in war, you must have hated MASH.

MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Never watched the show. War is not funny and using MASH, a TV show, as

an example to make joking about soldiers losing limbs in an illegal war, acceptable, is just sad. Nothing about war is funny to me. Period.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

24. Well, I would say you're not a very nuanced thinker. And, when things are

darkest, it's often the ability to find a spark of humor that helps rages against the dying of the light.

MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Not a nuanced thinker? I think soldiers fighting an illegal war, losing

their arms, legs, fingers, toes, eyes and lives BECAUSE OF LIES, is nothing to joke about and if you don't like how I "think", too fucking bad.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. LOL. n/t

:hi: MKJ

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Right. It's funny.

:eyes:

[Mr.Green93]

31. Hate destroys

the vessel that carries it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Then it will destroy me because I HATE these warmongering SOBs

with every fiber of my being and the people who support them. Not ONE soldier had to die. Not one innocent Iraqi man, woman or child had to die. The whole war was based on lies.