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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:13 AM
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I have a question. Is what is happening in America now, a Coup
The executive branch reaching for more and more power. The never ending war on terra'. The extreme right wing zealots have taken over not only the repuke party but our government too. :shrug:
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:18 AM
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1. The stolen FL vote & the SCOTUS selection of 2000 were the coup.
:(
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:27 AM
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9. Try The '94 Take Over Of The House By Repugnicans
It started with the sham "Contract ON America" that was the first of many lies (remember those term limits????) and then the endless investigations. Next, thanks to Bill Clinton, came DeReg '96 that turned hate radio into a dominant radio format used by the Repugnicans and right wing to spread lies and misinformation about Democrats...while most Democrats thought fighting back was beneath them...who would have thought "rational people" would buy this crap...well they did and we've been paying for it since.

The 2000 election was just another "milestone" where the GOOP saw they could not only manipulate the media, but the electorate as well. Stolen votes alone didn't win that election...it was the non-stop media haranging of Democrats and the uncontested distortions that flowed from hate radio that resonated with some and intimidated many others. The 2000 election shouldn't have been close and the Democrats...especially those who ran from the Clinton record of surpluses and peace...have as much blame on their hands as do Diebold...as well as those who threw their votes away for Nader.

The final coup-de-grace was the 2002 election...where the Repugnicans took full control...and the foxes were able to run free in the henhouse...knowing that the rubber stamp House & Senate and the subserviant media would roll over for anything this regime pushed...from the obscene tax cuts to invading Iraq.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:30 AM
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11. Its kind of scary when I think about it, so many people still in denial
and time is not on our side either.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:01 PM
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18. You are right. 1994 was the beginning of the coup.
:cry: I tried to warn people but the Republicans that I know just wouldn't listen. :(
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:31 PM
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23. Yes, I think the actual coup was carried out in 2K. The foundations
were laid in the 80's, but seizing the Presidency through the Supreme Court, was the decisive act.IMO
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:20 AM
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2. Answer: no. The coup happened December 13, 2000
Now it's mere consolidation of power. dismantling of some more of the appearances of democracy. It only looks like a coup to those who failed to get the significance of Coup 2000.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:23 AM
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3. so this is after the Coup. Why isn't anyone writing about this?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:31 AM
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12. Uuuhh Beavis...
Haven't we been writing about this for 5 years?

:-)
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:56 AM
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15. well yeah, we have but I haven't been seeing it in the mainstream news
much though have we. I believe most people get their news from the teevee not books and newspapers :shrug: imho
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:40 AM
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13. If you followed Paul Krugman's writings - for one - he drew the map
Edited on Wed May-31-06 11:41 AM by robbedvoter
of the take-over from day one. Palast did too, and Conason - and many others.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:45 PM
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25. Coup? What coup?
I don't see any coup around here, or at least that is what my cell keeper wants me to say. Right, no coup, I mean I have no clue what you are talking about.

:yoiks:
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:23 AM
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4. I've been wondering the same thing, actually worrying about it.
I just can't believe georgie porgie will relinquish power at the end of the day... Can't help but think he's up to something and all the curtailment of our civil rights is leading up to marshall law (or worse) down the road at some point.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:24 AM
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5. Is the plan: Jeb for 8 years, then who?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:42 AM
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14. It matters not.
CEOs are interchangeable.

They are turning Corporate America into Corporation America, and we will get a new CEO every 8 years.

It will be like the PRI -- mock elections all drawing on the same pool of pre-approved candidates, to continue the accepted policies.

I fear that the coming conflict will not be Dem/Repub, rich/poor, left/right, but will be when the newly empowered Dominionists challenge the corporatists for control. Fundie fanatics vs elitist technocrats. It will make the civil war look like a fistfight at a church picnic.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:25 AM
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7. I can't see how he can walk away because of all the laws he has broken
He surely would be going straight to the Hague wouldn't he? War Crimes
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:25 AM
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6. First stage of the coup was when the Supremes sElected Shrub.
Second stage... 9/11.
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:26 AM
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8. Coup=election 2004
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:28 AM
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10. They're consolidating their power, so that they will always be in power.
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BeTheChange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:45 PM
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17. They already did that. nt
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BeTheChange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:43 PM
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16. No, it is a carefully crafted plan that has been in the works for decades.
Edited on Wed May-31-06 12:46 PM by BeTheChange
I think the thing that most often frustrates me about DU is it's lack of putting blatant pieces of a publically laid out plan together. We seem prone to blaming insidious evil, not unlike the "extreme right wing zealots" that we so regularly attack. Instead of seeing that this is not the machinations of one administration. This has little to do with Bush or Blair or Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, etc. This is not a coup because there is nothing to "take over". It has already been assimilated.

"A brilliantly executed stratagem; a triumph.

A coup d'état.
A sudden appropriation of leadership or power; a takeover: a boardroom coup.
Among certain Native American peoples, a feat of bravery performed in battle, especially the touching of an enemy's body without causing injury."


This is not sudden. This goes back way farther then we are giving it credit for.

This isnt religious either.. everyone keeps letting that cloud their judgement.. see now, there are two opiates of the masses and as we focus on one, the other one has gained power and momentum. The other opiate is the State. We have given the State the power to take away our INALIENABLE rights. These arent rights that the State give us.. we are born with them. They are innate. But we have allowed them to be questioned, taken away, scrutinized and eroded. We have allowed our government to forget that we the people control it.. it works for us. They have coopted our state laws, to match their federal ones, they have passed laws that allow them to steal our state law enforcement and use them against us.. not for us. They have done all of this without so much as a peep because they have claimed that it was for the good of the whole.... and we bought it, hook line and sinker. Not only did we buy it we started paying into it pre ipo, if you will. We have funded tax exempt think tanks whose sole purpose is to recraft America in a collectivist image all the way back to the Ford and Carnegie foundations.

They have rewrote our history to convince us that we are a democracy, although our Constitution never uses that word because democracy is doomed to failure. Our framers were actual historians and painstaking social architechs that knew this. They knew that collectivism always resulted in a final power grab and total destruction. No matter how many social ideologies: communism, maoism, lenninism, marxism, totalitarianism, collectivism, fabianism, nazism... etc try to make group think a reality it has failed time and time again.

But anyone with eyes can easily see that we have been carefully pursing a goal of global collectivism since WWI. This isnt some fly by the seat of your pants Coup. This has been a carefully crafted mindfuck that has unfolded over decades. How many operations Northwood, Mongoose, 9/11 does it take for us to finally connect the dots? Cant you see that it doesnt matter wether its a democrat or a republican in office or in our congress? The status quo has been and will be preserved. From Hart - Rudmann to Rev Moon crownings. 3000 people can be sacrificed in Pearl Harbor, or in the world trade center because the percieved good of the whole is what matters to these people. They think they are working from a place of morality.. they are the saviors of the world. You can be spied on, wiretapped, kept in guantanamo bay because the good of the whole is at stake. And we have rolled over for it because they have scared us with Bin Ladin, Al Queda, Hamas, etc. Make no mistake, this mentally inept president and his administration are nothing more then the public faces of a movement that wants you to believe it is anything but what it really is. Atleast until it engages us in all out total war.

Richard Perle:
“This is total war. We are fighting a
variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to
do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq, … this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we
just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don’t try to piece
together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war … our children will sing great songs
about us in years from now.”

To understand this you must look at the history of those in the think tanks and the dark corners of our decision making. Look at Greenspan and his roots his socialist circles... look at the shorting we did to the gold standard during his tenure. Look at what we have done with the M3 data... look at Feith and Perle and Wolfowitz.. Rumsfeld.. Fukiyama...all self proclaimed "neoconservatives", look at how many troops we have spread out over the world. Read Rebuilding of America's Defenses: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

Study history, familiarize yourself with collectivism, leninism, and fabianism. Fuck the skulls and bones and bohemian grove. That is shit compared with what we are up against.

It is all out there in plain english. Iraq was a dry run, people. The sooner America wakes up and realizes this the better. What lays in store for us if we do not stop the momentum of this global catastrophe is mind boggling. It is the fall of Civilization. Not just the fall of a country that barely made it 200 years. Where the hell are our scholars? Where are the opposing views, were are our champions? While we wait for them maybe we can think about how they have been assimilated.. how a couple of generations have been trained under the belt of neoconservative branded collectivism. Which is fantastic in theory, but horrible in practice.


WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:07 PM
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19. Personally, if so it's a small part of it
Edited on Wed May-31-06 03:10 PM by Asgaya Dihi
The right wing of today is insane without a doubt but the groundwork for it has been being laid for over a century. The day the courts decided that corporations were people a silent revolution started and we've been losing to them ever since. The days of the robber barons were born in them, so were the problems of today. The right wing was their tool for as long as they were useful but today there are some indications that they are trying to switch allegiance to the DLC types and ride that wave as well.

The problem isn't the right as such, it's media consolidation, it's corporate person-hood, it's the idea that money has a voice rather than people. Yeah, there's been a slow coup in progress for quite a while now. It gave us decades of failing drug war under both parties without us really looking at the results or our progress, it gave us media consolidation under both, and so on. We do need to fix the extremes we've gone to under the right over recent years but if we don't change the underlying problem it's just going to happen again, and each time we get a bit more used to them having a bit more control over our lives and get a bit less freedom back.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:31 PM
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24. and the minor issue of that surplus
Those giant corporations are like spiders with a leg in every country, and
those legs stir a lot of pots beyond any political culpability, where
huge distorting funds walk across borders and are more influential than
governments.

So the citizens stateside are like batteries that power the mechanical spider,
they must be replaceable and are mentally toxic when you toss them out
in to life's refuse.

I believe the best way to get a grip, is to ask the rest of the world's
people to bind the legs. People are powerless to bind the beast from within
its belly, but governments can check it from without, as has been the way
mankind has checked evil government for 1000's of years. Us batteries are
not trained to think outside of our function, consuming our way to producing
more weapons and imperial acts to fill our department-store shelves.

I actually think it will be better if bush starts more wars, as it will
bind the spider totally, as if its not bad enough, akido says throw them
with their momentum, and the evil corporate empire is not bankrupt enough,
as they are still mass murdering in asia... not enough, or they'll be out
of bullets and back home fixing potholes and patching school roofs.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:21 PM
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20. 2000 = Coup d'etat. Plain and simple.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:23 PM
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21. 2000 was a coup
everything since is protecting the coup
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:27 PM
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22. You're late
December 2000 was the date of the coup.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:49 PM
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26. Yes, it's a coup
and it's occuring on a year by year basis as they seize more and more power and change our laws. I personally no longer live under an illusion based on the past or myths of American exceptionalism. I really don't consider myself or my family free anymore and that bothers me.
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