Zogby: "I've never seen a number like that since I've been polling."

[deminks]

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcs.dll%2Fartikkel%3FAvis%3DC4%26Dato%3D20060602%26Kategori%3DNEWS11%26Lopenr%3D60602016%26Ref%3DAR%26template%3Dprintart

MACKINAC ISLAND – The war in Iraq has become so unpopular that it could cost Republicans control of Congress, statehouses and governor races around the country, national pollster John Zogby said Friday.

He said 70% of voters believe the U.S. is headed in the wrong direction, adding, “I have never seen a number like that since I’ve been polling.”

He said 68% of voters believe the war in Iraq wasn’t worth the loss of American lives. He added, “Americans want their wars to be won, they want it won quickly and their troops home and out of harms way.”

Bush is so unpopular he can’t help Republican candidates get elected this year. “I don’t think you’ll see him in Macomb County,” he said.

[populistdriven]

1. k&r - bad news is good news!

this is great news but I won't rejoice in anything related to that man unless it involves 6 feet of dirt :evilgrin:

[jefferson_dem]

2. Bad news is *reality*! It's good to see that the masses have found it...

reality that is.

[saltpoint]

3. --with the Rev. Fred Phelps presiding at graveside.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Fred has one up on bush

Fred has at least attended soldier's funerals.

[saltpoint]

24. Hey there, proud2Blib -- my god, that is a DEVASTATING line.

I'm serious -- that is absolutely one of the best smackdowns of George Bush I have ever heard.

And thanks to DU, I've heard several!

Wham-O!

Thanks for that. That was the adrenalin hit I need to get the weekend goin'!

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Smacking down bush

Sad that it is so easy.

Hey Crusoe! :hi:

[saltpoint]

32. Howdy right back. I've got Mary Chapin Carpenter on right now.

The woman can sing.

As for Bush, he's not going to recover from these low poll numbers. Even Republicans now are diving off the burning ship like desperate rats.

I'm thinkin' it's gonna be a true blue November.

[Bluebear]

36. Play "Other streets in other towns" for me. nt

[saltpoint]

40. Hey Bluebear. That is a tremendous song. "just like shiney dimes...

Tossed and spent, they came and went
A hundred times..."

Wow. Just a terrific song.

I sure will play it for ya.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Shut Up and Kiss Me

Not YOU - LOL

I love that song.

[saltpoint]

41. It IS a great song! LOL! It's ok -- I'll kiss any body at all if they're

a Democrat!

And I better get off this music sidetrack or Deminks is going to come down here and kick my ass.

[flygal]

72. Oh God MCC is the greatest

absolutely love her!

[saltpoint]

76. Yes. She's given us so many fine songs, but lately I'm appreciating

all over again her song, "Just Because."

Wow. She absolutely gets it done in that one.

[msongs]

4. you don't like...mr. zogby??

I won't rejoice in anything related to that man unless it involves 6 feet of dirt :-)


Msongs
www.msongs.com
batik & digital art
ugs and shirts

[populistdriven]

10. er, Mr Zogby can dine at my table anytime; with the good plates!

:P

[987654321]

57. This Mass Media's spin on this:

Well it looks like Bush has finally bottomed out. There's no where to go for him but up!

I'm sure we'll be hearing stuff like that as these polls keep coming out and Bush keeps going down.

[Mika]

80. Yep. Bush's bad poll #'s are in their last gasp/ final throes.

:crazy: :rofl:

[napi21]

5. Yea, and the talking heads keep blaming it all on Iraq.

That's the Zogby insinuation too, but I don't believe that. Sure Iraq is part of it, but the list f other reasons is sooo long, I couldn't begin to name them all!

Shrub will not be able to help anyone get elected, and I happen to think they can't help themselves either, becasue they spent the last 5 1/2 years acting like monkeys on a string! Anything Shrub asked for, he got! No questions, no arguments, just rubber stamp everything.

That's what happens when you hitch you whole wagon to ONE horse. If something happens to that one, you're done!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Well, since shrub authored the war in Iraq, I don't see how "blaming Iraq"

gets him off the hook for anything.

[napi21]

35. Oh, I didn't mean to take him off the hook for Iraq, I just mean that

at least for me, there are at least 100 different things hes done that would prevent me from ever voting for him.

Things like:
constantly pushing his new SS plan
way too many tax cuts for his buddies when the Country can't afford it
nominating AH people to the SCOTUS
Nominating Gonzo as AG
signing statements because he thinks he can get away with it
pushing a very stupid prescription drug plan though
his entire foreign policy of agression
spying on peoples phone records
fighting against stem cell research
supporting gov't interference in the Schiavo case



And I could keep going!!!!!!

I'm just saying that the talking heads are blaming his popularity problems on Iraq, and there are so many other things, if Iraq was peaceful tomorrow, I believe his numbers would still be in the tank!!!!

[suegeo]

65. I'm adding another big foul up

911 911 911.

The sheep use that day (a Bush admin FAILURE) as justification to vote for the junta. WTF? I don't see how people running through the streets for their lives is an indication of good leadership.

Popular Authoritarianism, I think, is what they call it.

[orleans]

85. "I don't see how people running through the streets for their lives

is an indication of good leadership. "

very well put. and exactly right on.

[cannabis_flower]

13. And there are Democrats that..

aren't going to escape scrutiny. Joe Liebermann has a lot of 'splain' to do and so does Henry Cuellar. I could find others.

There are those that voted for Iraq and there are those that didn't. And of the ones that voted for it and said they were wrong and the ones that are still sucking up and dancing on that string.

Thank you to Dennis Kucinich, Sheila Jackson Lee and the rest of the Congressional Black Caucus. Thank you Russ Feingold, Barbara Boxer, Tom Lantos, Bernie Sanders and the rest of the Progressive Caucus and anyone I missed.

[sellitman]

61. Your list is perfect except.

John Conyers should head it up.

[Cha]

31. Yes, they should open

their eyes and see what else the bushits have made a mess of besides the big Elephant in the room.

[DemonFighterLives]

66. It is all on the shoulders of the little man

:rofl:
One trick pony has shot his wad.
Stick a fork in him, he's done.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. That's what happens when you DESTROY DEMOCRACIES and countries.

Those evoting machines will come in REAL HANDY in the next 2 elections.

[NewJeffCT]

7. how long has Zogby been in business?

I had thought Carter was up around 84% for "wrong direction" back around '79 or '80?

[sandnsea]

9. Lies and corruption hang in the air

Someone I knew a long time ago said you can "smell" whether a place is good or bad, safe or unsafe, emotionally healthy or not. I know what he means, although it's impossible to prove. But the smell of lies and corruption are in the air and no amount of right wing propaganda can make it go away. People know, and even though they may not quite understand how the lies of this administration are propagated, they know that the lies don't match their reality - on anything, including the Iraq War.

[DemoTex]

14. Indeed. And they are trying to lie their way out of an abyss.

Their breath-taking corruption begets more corruption and they never, ever tell the truth (even by mistake). They can't buy good news (and, Lord knows, they have tried). The Bu$h regime is living the descent into the maelstrom.

[sandnsea]

16. There is no good news

The unemployment rate today, that should be good news. But I think people instinctively know it's complete bullshit, they don't know how they're fixing those numbers, but what they see all around them shows them that they are. I really don't think there's anything Bush can do to turn it around. The best he can try for is to be the bad cop in order to let Congress pretend to be the good cop so enough local Republicans put their "good ol' boy" back in office. And Bush is so egotistical that he would do that by convincing himself that he was really putting one over on those pesky liberals. I just hope nothing sparks any real antagonism in the next 3 years, I think everybody is hoping we can auto-pilot until we get rid of him.

[DemoTex]

27. Well, a multi-channel autopilot can land an airliner! Let's hope it works.

Meanwhile, bad news begets more bad news. It is like a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm just hoping that autopilot is engaged, the ILS is tuned and identified, and that someone monitors the approach and lowers the gear and flaps. Bu$h, the "captain", is definitely FUBAR and DNIF (drunk, not interested in flying).

[The Wizard]

55. unemployment statistics

are always in doubt. The important number is the extra dollars people have to spend after all the bills are paid. If we spend all our money on food, shelter and other essentials with nothing left afterward we feel pinched and have no confidence, hence we're going in the wrong direction. The Bushigula crowd is taking as much as they can while they can and sending it to off-shore accounts where it will never circulate. After lying and torture, what they do best is take money out of circulation. It cuts down on the amount of money their adversaries have to spend on elections. I'd like to donate, but the extra cash isn't there. At least Mussolini made the trains run on time.

[Clark2008]

43. That's true.

My mother and grandmother are/were both nurses and I covered crime (lots of time spent in medical examiners' offices) and SMELL is the strongest sense. You smell infection. You smell death. You smell disease, long before you can feel it. My medical examiner forbade Vicks in his presence precisely because it covered up smells - and he may need to smell a poison or a gun powder or a disease in his victims to make the right diagnosis of death.

For example, just before you get an abscessed tooth, if you'll pay attention, your breath gets worse and food tastes weird... it's your nose pinned down that infection.

Sorry to be so gross, but you have a more legitimate point that you realize.

[Tom Joad]

11. And now an officer goes public with his resistance. We will stop this war

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1339631

First commissioned officer to publicly resist Iraq War.

[bridgit]

12. americans are patient to a fault no doubt, there was a time when many...

on both sides gave this bush duupf the benefit OF the doubt...but'cha know what? that was exactly the frozen moment in time that bush, and primarily his handlers were waiting for. 'primarily his handlers' in that bush can't find his dick in the dark with a flashlight; but that eternal good natured center, where america is balanced atop ready, willing & able to perform all manner of good works. doing what she does best with proper leadership. but it is all undone...

these fools, these BFEE fools, have abused the one girl at the dance that would have gone home with them if they weren't so transfixed sadomasochistic homo-eroticism.

it is well past time to call their bluff & flush them out THE FRONT DOOR!!! where they will be seen by the rest of their supporters for what they are...crooks, liars & tyrants.

imo

[NMDemDist2]

26. bush may not be able to "find his dick in the dark with a flashlight" but

I bet there is a certain Sec of State who can and doesn't even need the flashlight

:rofl:

[bridgit]

29. ppfftt...

:spray: you're so bad you're good :spank: :hi:

[bdamomma]

47. if not the sec. of state, how about jeffy lube!!! or was he scotty's

friend.

[JHH]

15. We should not count the chickens before they are even laid

The Re-pucks will do ANYTHING to hold on to power and the Democrats better work over time to over come the cheating

[bridgit]

18. you have that exactly correct...

there is no play, or wiggle room with republicans, they are PROVEN to be liars all to keep their political hides & fortunes

[madmusic]

17. Uh, oh, and he's right.

“The Democrats have no program on any issue, they have nothing to say that matters to anyone in the United States today."

[deminks]

23. Some say we don't need one.

It might be true.

[madmusic]

49. Could be they just give it to us...

But if we had one, what would it be?

Serious question. What do the Dems/liberals have to offer over and above the neocons/Repugs? Is there ANYTYHING we are united on other than anti-BushCo?

[The Wizard]

56. How about

Transparent government, representative democracy, free and fair elections, fiscal responsibility and straight answers for a start? And I almost forgot, ending the Iraq fiasco and sending these criminals to the Hague.

[Amonester]

53. Nothing to say?? Are you sure, nothing to say? Or is it because...

... the CoRpoRate-$oldout-Media Refuse to inform anyone about what The Democratic Party sez that matters to everyone (except the moRan$) in the United States today??

Ok. I'm sending the link to Zog's anyway...

http://www.dnc.org/agenda.html



5½ months to go! Throw all paperless voting machines in recycle bins!

[OnionPatch]

59. That's a talking point

the Repugs have disseminated well, that Dems "have no plan." :wtf: Garbage. What is the Republican's plan, anyway? Why isn't anyone asking them what their freakin plan is? More of the same? Oooo, I can't wait!

Every plan I've heard in the last decade that's been interesting, sensible and inspiring has come from the left. But since the media doesn't cover them, I guess they don't exist.

[dad]

60. Those six points say nothing

In fact, a Republican could take the same six points and use them. There is nothing specific in there.

[psychopomp]

64. I was thinking pretty much the same thing

sounds like some vague focus-group claptrap.

[Amonester]

82. Allow me to disagree: A Health Care System that Works for...

Everyone
We will join 36 other industrialized nations by making sure everyone has access to affordable health care.

That's quite specific for a lot of people (I see no Republican plan for that anywhere). But a shrinking minority still believe in their "Stay the Course" mantra.

[electropop]

71. Why is Zogby spouting the GOP line?

It's BS all the way through! Real Dems DO have plans for just about everything. There are some DINOs who need to be cleaned out (e.g. Lieberman and Cuellar) but Dems do have vision and plans. They just can't get heard in the mainstream media.

[caledesi]

74. Such a neo-con talking point...you want Dem plans/programs...

How about?

Equal rights for all Americans.
Health care for all Americans.
An end to corporate welfare.
An end to farm subsidies to corporate agriculture.
A living wage for all working Americans.
A foreign policy based on respect for all nations.
A withdrawal of American troops from Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, the South Pacific, South America and Central America.
An end to American support for undemocratic nations.
An end to American support for Israel until Palestine is free of Israeli occupation.
Stronger protection for unions, including protection of unions from organized crime.
Stronger protection for consumers.
Stronger environmental regulations.
An end to the prohibition of recreational drugs.
Repeal of the Patriot Act.
A defense department that defends our borders and stays out of other nations.
Cuts in the number of officers in the US military.
Cuts in the pay of officers in the US military.
Including military retirement in the Pentagon budget.
An end to the revolving door between the military and defense industry.
End defense contractor lobbying of Congress.
Finance all Congressional and Presidential election campaigns solely with public funds.
Eliminate PACs
Eliminate the Electoral College.
Provide ALL candidates for Federal office the same amount of media.
Eliminate the “vote minimum” rules for political parties.
Strengthening the separation between Church and State.
A national energy policy that ensures a change from fossil fuels to renewable, clean energy.
A change in the rules governing broadcast media to ensure truth and accuracy in broadcast news and the breakup of media monopolies.
A return to the public service regulations for broadcasters.
Annual lease payments from broadcasters to the public treasury.
A rollback of the copyright laws to last 50 years or 25 years beyond the death of copyright originator (whichever is less.)
Repeal of the DMCA.
A federal floor for education spending per pupil.
A federal ban on private industry operating prisons.
Sign and abide by The Kyoto Treaty.
Vigorous support for the UN.
Taxes based on wealth, not income.
Reinstatement of the inheritance tax.

That enough for you, or do you need more bec I have them.

[brer cat]

81. Wow, just wow, caledesi! great post. n/t

[caledesi]

87. Wish I could take full credit, but I just culled these from other great

Dems refuting this bogus talking point.

[KingFlorez]

19. Yes!

[Marr]

20. And what will Mr. Zogby say when the Republicans steal the mid-terms?

"Wow, the polling was wrong"? I'm saving this article, and many others like it.

[Octafish]

21. ''The Democrats stayed home...''

"...because they were assured of victory by the polls."

[JHH]

28. Thats why they stood in line for eight hours in the rain

Do Not underestimate the existent that the Right will go to stay in power

[Disturbed]

30. Blaming the Iraq Occupation for Busholini's low #s

is missing the mark. It is much more that that. Millions of Americans no longer feel that this Silverspoon Sociopath Sock Puppet Pres is trustworthy or competent. Too many failures and lies take their toll even with most apolitical masses.

[robbedvoter]

63. True. That's Zogby's personal agenda. It's a part of the truth, but

there's much, much more to it - including the fact that W never had a majority to start with. And I mean: NEVER.

[burythehatchet]

34. The vlaues voters came out on droves

and they were reluctant responders to the exit polls
:eyes:

[me b zola]

33. So, the elephant in the room says

That if we take control in Nov, Dems must apply pressure to bring our GI's home.

The BIGGER elephant in the room is that every potential Dem presidential candidate that the CM is shoving down our throats are pro-war and have no plans to withdraw from Iraq. If our 2k8 candidate is pro-war it will hurt our party for years to come. Let me repeat:

IF OUR 2K8 CANDIDATE IS PRO-WAR IT WILL HURT OUR PARTY FOR YEARS TO COME.


We absolutely must insist on a candidate that unequivically states that we will leave Iraq--soon.

[LaPera]

37. So expect the republicans to manipulate the Diebold & ES&S machines full

blast to keep the majority...the electronic voting machines are in place and they will steal precincts and elections...or face jail & impeachment...

They have nothing to lose by stealing votes and fraud they will use them and then after the election the media ignores it, the republicans have some lame excuse why they won and they are the majority for another two years as BushCo gets ready to steal 2008 for a fascist probably Jebbie...To keep their fascist ball rolling and in the family.

[Justice Is Comin]

39. And like a Vicks Inhaler

they're going to keep the same smell going next week with the grave issue of gay marriage. The smell just keeps going and going and going :rofl:

[Junkdrawer]

42. They've backed themselves into a corner where MIHOP II is their only hope

:scared:

[Jazzgirl]

44. I just did a Zogby poll tonight.

It asked what I thought about the war. of course, I was very negative on anything to do with the war. It wasn't worth the cost of American or Iraqi lives.

*shrub's wedge issue on "gay marriage" is failing miserably. Everybody knows its not even an issue. It doesn't affect anybody....nobody! I've talked to people and told them to explain to me how it affects them. They can never give me any answer as to how it affects them personally. It ain't an issue but the war is.

JG

[Jim Sagle]

45. It's not an issue but it's a good cover story for election theft...same as

2004.

[bdamomma]

46. good results for us

I am glad I do those interactive zogby polls when they send it to me.

[SheilaT]

48. Just a few days before

the 2004 election, John Zogby said, with no hesitation whatsoever, that John Kerry would win the election. He was right, of course, but was curiously absent in the immediate aftermath of the ballot counting.

What's important to keep in mind is that the cabal now in power came to that power in a coup, and they're not about to relinquish that power, least of all to a free, fair, and honest election. So don't even begin to think that Bush's terrible poll numbers will mean a lot in November. Two years ago his numbers were at 50% or slightly lower.

These guys know how to steal an election, and they're getting better at it all the time. They've seen to it that Diebold machines are practically everywhere. Anyone who criticizes those machines, or tries to actually test them to see if they work correctly, are threatened with law suits or forced to resign. And while people like us are complaining constantly about the machines, there's little happening out there to make sure that our ballots in November are going to be tamper-proof.

It might be almost amusing to watch all the "experts" explain the anomalous election results this fall.

[johnaries]

67. Zogby spoke up after the election,

the media just didn't cover it.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1118-11.htm

Zogby was concerned about the difference between some of the exit polls (surveys of individuals who have just cast ballots) and the official vote counts. "We're talking about the Free World here," he pointedly noted.....

... "Something is definitely wrong," said Zogby. ....

....According to Zogby, it would have required "wrong sampling in wrong areas throughout the country," or the purposeful manipulation of data to obtain exit poll results so significantly different from the official totals.

[leesa]

50. Now when the GOP wins the House and Senate this fall will people

finally believe the polls are rigged? Or will they simply be amazed at the "teflon Republicans"

[WI_DEM]

86. and if Democrats win control of congress then what?

[Quantess]

51. Regaining my faith in the American People

It took a while, but people are catching on. The Emperor can only go around showing off his new clothes for so long before everyone finds out it's all a sham.

[krkaufman]

52. I'm none too fond of Zogby, what w/ his editorializing...

... such as:

But he cautioned: “The Democrats have no program on any issue, they have nothing to say that matters to anyone in the United States today."

Zogby said his boldest prediction is that Hurricane Katrina, which demolished much of the Gulf Coast in 2005, could be more of a defining moment for the U.S. than the 9-11 terrorist attacks because the storm showed that neither big federal government nor federalism – greater state powers – can cope with large-scale disasters.

What total bullcrap in both statements. Plenty of Democrats have plenty to say about how to actually govern. And "big government" didn't fail -- *REPUBLICAN*-led government is what has failed.

People thinking something to be so, does not make it so.

[Amonester]

54. Help spread what the Dems have to say that matters to everyone...

... (except the moRan$), cuz the CoRpoRate-$oldout-Media Refuse to talk about the issues the Democrats have for their program:
http://www.dnc.org/agenda.html


Be the media.

[Bob3]

69. what Zogby has to say on Katrina is just gibberish

What Katrina proved is that Manning an important government agency with cronies and time servers and friends of Friends all of whom are there just to punch a card before going to a cushy job as a lobbyist or some such means that when disaster strikes it will be worse. I mean come on Brownie was more worried about his dinner than doing his job.

Katrina was a turning point but not like Zogby thinks. It proved that who is in charge is important that big government has a role dealing with events beyond the scope of a city or a state - and the having people who know what they are doing and who are committed to public service in place is vital.

On a side note - it is odd that the simple statement "the country's on the wrong tack and we have to change that" hasn't become the what every Democratic party candidate says the instant the cameras are on them. It's true, it's easy to say and naturally leads to what needs to be changed.

[krkaufman]

70. Yep, Katrina showed that Republicans cannot effectively govern.

Dems showed during the Clinton era, under James Lee Witt, how effectively FEMA could provide disaster preparedness and relief, and the contrast in the performance of this department is only one example where Republicans have shown that they have no affinity for actual governing.

"Cutting taxes" is not a governing policy; it's a financial shell game shifting wealth from your children and grandchildren to the wealthy elites.

[Snaggletooth]

79. You beat me to the punch!

Those were the two statements that stood out for me, too. It is important to keep in mind Mr. Zogby's obvious bias when considering his "findings." Polls are easily rigged by choosing the phrasing of the questions carefully and disallowing spontaneous answers.

The MSM and their aiding and abetting pollsters have been telling us for years what "we the people think." But, I can't seem to find any people that actually agree with our "published opinions." And, I live in Texas!

Snaggletooth the Crone

[987654321]

58. I rejoice that most of America is finally coming around!

I'm sad because the country is such a mess. I never liked Bush, even when he was Governor of Texas. I wanted to see him crash and burn then. But it is a real shame that his record of failure after failure has meant that he has taken the country down with him.

[Joanne98]

62. It's more than Iraq. He has the "nobody likes a liar" problem.

Karl Rove is trying to calm the nerves of the house cons by putting it all on Iraq. I saw a big change in opinions of Bush during the Katrina diaster. People saw him for the evil phoney that he is and he hasn't recovered.

[survivor999]

68. I was rereading this:

"Zogby said his boldest prediction is that Hurricane Katrina, which demolished much of the Gulf Coast in 2005, could be more of a defining moment for the U.S. than the 9-11 terrorist attacks because the storm showed that neither big federal government nor federalism – greater state powers – can cope with large-scale disasters."

Well, it shows that this type of incompetent big federal government and faith-based federalism cannot do anything...

[caledesi]

73. It's pretty bad when even the neo-cons at freeperville are calling

for impeachment. Yes, this is a big no-no on freeperville....but check out this thread (if you dare)....nothing positive. They are so pissed about immigration they can't control themselves.

Yeah, I took a show afterward, but it was worth the lurking....watching them squirm.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642550/posts

[B Calm]

78. Dumb bastards just now finding out that republicans are all about

CHEAP LABOR!

[Faryn Balyncd]

75. a major story

[Up2Late]

77. O.K. Enough with all this GREAT NEWS! I VOWED NEVER to be HAPPY...

...Until BUSH is GONE! This is just making it too difficult!

Now my face hurts from smiling!

[Voltaire99]

83. "Americans want their wars to be won" - How shallow is Zogby.

Until manipulated by the media and their politicians, Americans are generally disinterested in war. The facile Zogby reduces this illegal, immoral occupation to the formula for a summer blockbuster.

Iraq isn't likely to hurt the GOP alone for the simple reason that it is a Republican-Democratic Party collaboration. Voters are well aware that a supine Democratic party permitted it to go forward, remember that the 2004 Democratic candidate promised to fight the war better, and tire of the party ignoring their opposition to staying in Iraq.

If the hapless Dem leadership can't figure that out, they'll hardly recapture Congress.

[NNN0LHI]

84. Americans are starting to realize it wasn't Dem's who were out ...

...every day trying to sell this war with their mushroom clouds over New York and Winnebago's of Death BS. At least the halfway intelligent ones know this was a Republican planned scam. Some Dem's may have went along with it but by no means were they the ones who instigated it all.

Don