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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:42 AM
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McGovern: Iran Strike Set For June Or July
mcgovern: Iran Strike Set For June Or July

Former CIA Analyst Says Iran Strike Set For June Or July
McGovern: Staged terror attacks across Europe, US "probable" in order to justify invasion

Former CIA analyst and Presidential advisor Ray McGovern, fresh from his heated public confrontation with Donald Rumsfeld, fears that staged terror attacks across Europe and the US are probable in order to justify the Bush administration's plan to launch a military strike against Iran, which he thinks will take place in June or July.

Appearing on The Alex Jones Show, McGovern was asked about the timetable for war in Iran and said that behind the diplomatic smokescreen, the final chess pieces were being moved into position.

"There is already one carrier task force there in the Gulf, two are steaming toward it at the last report I have at least - they will all be there in another week or so."

more at:
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/06/mcgovern-iran-strike-set-for-june-or.html
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:48 AM
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1. This is what I am most afraid of...
"McGovern: Staged terror attacks across Europe, US "probable" in order to justify invasion"

I am afraid because I think the Bush admin is capable of doing it, hell I would not be surprised if they did it once already...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:51 AM
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4. "I think the Bush admin is capable of doing it"
Absolutely. This group will do anything. I worry about the World Cup. :scared:
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:46 PM
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25. "staged terror attacks"..
Well, at least that's out in the open. I've believed, almost from the beginning, that 9/11 was a Bush Crime Family operation, start to finish. If they'd do it today, then they've done it before.

Synthetic terror. That's what the Cabal is about...Not to say, of course, that there weren't some patsies to do the dirty work.
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:22 AM
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38. That's correct--9/11 was staged by this WH to justify war w/Iraq!!
Read:David Ray Griffin's detailed, factual expose of Coverup titled-oops, just evacuated from a fire and packed it!! Should be required reading. Can be found on Amazon.com or Google very easily.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:48 AM
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2. Sigh. I keep hoping it isn't going to happen.
It's a terrible feeling to know what Bushco has planned and not be able to do anything about it. No one is going to stop them. x(
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:49 AM
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3. "Northwoods-esque" staged terror attacks? Not unfathomable...
...considering the track record of the Bush admin.

kicking and recommending. :(
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:53 AM
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5. MIHOP II Are we surprised? NOT!
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:59 AM
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6. Looks like they're playing up the Hezbollah threat right now.
U.S. Studying Iran's Retaliation Options

<snip>

By KATHERINE SHRADER

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - If cornered by the West over its nuclear program,
Iran could direct Hezbollah to enlist its widespread international
support network to aid in terrorist attacks, intelligence officials say.

In interviews with The Associated Press, several Western intelligence
officials said they have seen signs that Hezbollah's fundraisers, recruiters
and criminal elements could be adapted to provide logistical help to
terrorist operatives.
<snip>


This sounds distressingly familiar.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:14 AM
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7. Folks here on Du
I can't believe that folks here on DU are the only thinking people that believe going to war with Iran is a bad idea, we must have plenty of company in this country.

So my question is this, couldn't congress just refuse to fiance this war? There has to be enough congress critters smart enough by now to vote against such a venture.

If congress refuses to finance a war with Iran, and makes it known to this admin before hand like now. Perhaps it could get the decider to rethink his approach and understand that Iran ain't Iraq and that his war presidency he's so proud of is on thin ice.

Just my 2 cents, but is seems to me congress has the power to stop the madness!

Peace!
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:24 AM
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9. Congress still has a Repug majority.
Besides, BushCo is staffed with many retreads from Iran-Contra.
They didn't let Congress' power of the purse or the rule of law
stop them then and they won't do so now.

A terror attack or other imminent threat can always
scare the Congresscritters back into line anyway.
:grumble: Maybe the MIHOP crowd has a point.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:27 AM
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10. Here's the problem with that.
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 09:36 AM by sparosnare
As part of the "war on terror" and using the previous authorization given to Bush by Congress (pre-Iraq), there will be no stopping him. He can launch an attack whenever he wishes in the name of national security and then Congress will fund because it's already happened. Congress is still repub controlled.

There will be no going to Congress for permission. A convenient terror attack tied to Iran would seal the deal.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:59 AM
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15. Congress absolutely could and should (imho) assert their Constitutional
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 10:00 AM by TahitiNut
... authority. Not only does the Constitution specifically grant exclusive authority to Congress to declare war, it specifically limits funding legislation for the Army to two years, on top of granting funding authority to Congress exclusively. The abominable "War Powers" legislation is cover for political cowardice and corruption, imho. We're in the continuing grip of two 'Big Lies' of politics: the "soft on crime" and "soft on defense" lies. Both are used as cover for tyrannical interests - with more people in prison in our "free" country than any other on earth and a military budget that's greater than the combined military spending of all other nations on earth. No other nation in the history of the world has had military garrisons in so many other nations; we 'occupy' the world.

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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:15 AM
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16. Bush WILL use the previous "war on terror" resolution
He will NOT go to congress. This is why the generic war resolution congress approved was so horrendous! The machinations with offers to talk to Iran are just pretext for bush to say he did everything he could.... this is all part of the agenda of his administration...regime change to democratize the middle east! Unfortunately for our sons and daughters, this will happen.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:18 AM
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17. We The People don't really seem to care.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TahitiNut/293

:shrug:

It's just too easy to ask others to do the bleeding.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 06:27 AM
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44. Good post.
And I agree with you 100%
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:53 AM
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40. Ofcourse its the "War on Terror" - Bush can claim that any attack on Iran
is merely a continuation and "spill-over" from the War in Afghanistan & Iraq and use the same budgets already approved. And even if Congress "protesteth" it will be hung up for such a long time that by the time they get to any kind of inquiry, it will be too late...the damage will be done and just like the Boy King argues that we need to "stay the course", he'll then say we can't risk stopping what was started. And then the "GOP majority" will roll over and do as they are told by their Executive Masters and that will be that.

And, that being said, tells me one very obvious thing: That any "attack on Iran" will be atleast several months prior to the November elections - so I guess its true - expect an attack before end of Summer. :nuke:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:54 PM
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26. Does Bush even need anymore money. He's stolen trillions.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:57 PM
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34. Bush would issue a "signing statement" giving him budgetary power
As the last five years have shown, who needs Congress? Congress certainly doesn't - they may as well stay home and collect their paychecks and stay out of direct sunlight and away from pointy objects.

Assholes.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 06:24 AM
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43. RufusEarl, don't make the mistake of confusing what you read on DU...
... as a reflection of what most Americans are thinking. Fact is, IMHO most Americans AREN'T thinking about anything that exists outside their sphere of self-interest. Do you think most Americans could even point to Iran on a map? Or Iraq, for that matter? How many still believe we went to war with Iraq because of WMDs? Or because we were there to fight "terrorism", although Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11? Yesterday I was watching an interview with a Navy vet from San Diego who -- although he now says it's time to bring the troops home -- said we went over there for the right reason, to fight terrorism. What do you say to people who still believe such horseshit? Do you think they will care if we start dropping bombs on Iran?

Yes, I think the Bushreich WILL start a war with Iran and there is neither the national nor international will to stop them. Sounds more and more like the 1930's to me.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:29 PM
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46. Perhaps i do give the citizens to much credit Handpuppet,
and perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part. The stats you mentioned are unfortunately true, that said i keep trying to keep my hopes up.

Hope is all i have at my disposal, that and the ability to think and speak. I really do believe that some that were easily convinced that going to Iraq was a good idea, may be a little less excited about going to Iran.

I really have nothing to back that statement up with, and only time will tell. But in general i think the average citizen, even supporters of Bush are starting to rethink his abilities to produce a workable positive foreign policy.

Peace!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:21 AM
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8. Pardon my skepticism, but how often are we gonna have imminent attacks?
I've been hearing about strikes against Iran being "about to happen" every few months since January '05. I just don't think it's gonna happen. Scott Ritter predicted an attack in May '05. Several other journalists have passed along rumors of war since then. If you mistrust Bush so much, as you should, at least trust Rove's sense of impeccable timing. Any attack of Iran before the November elections will have disasterous effect on the Bushies.

I think what these reporters are picking up on is the mouthy saber-rattling that the Bushies are employing to try and scare Iran to the negotiation table. Only Iran isn't scared (and you shouldn't be either). They know--and know that the Bushies know--that any attack on Iran while talks are still on will be the last straw for our allies with the Bush administration. Bush is a big, reckless risk taker when it comes to other peoples' lives, but when his own political survival is on the line, count on him to run with the rats, not go down shooting.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:28 AM
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11. Terror attacks are coming and there's no stoppin them.
It's all pre ordained, and in progress right now, and it can't be stopped.

It can't be stopped.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:58 AM
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41. I'm with you buddy.
We're fucked.

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

:hurts:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:33 AM
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12. If it happens, it happens. There is nothing we can do about it. Think
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 09:39 AM by Peace Patriot
about THAT.

Think hard about it. A president with a 28% approval rating, whom many believe was not legitimately elected, either time, and with whom most Americans disagree on every major policy, foreign and domestic (and have for more than two years), may be proceeding with yet another war that nobody wants, most likely based on stealth, black ops, deceitful intelligence, and one or more manufactured "Gulf of Tonkin"-type incident (21st century-style), which will cost $10 more trillions in debt that nobdy will be able to pay for, and which will make us a pariah state, and a menace to the world, beyond anything Hitler ever dreamed of. Only a small minority of Americans want any part of this--the small minority that still supports Bush.

What's wrong with this picture?

Land of the free, home of the brave. Government of the people, by the people, for the people. Has it "perished from the earth", as Abraham Lincoln hoped and prayed that it would not?

What's wrong with this picture is NON-TRANSPARENT, UNVERIFIABLE elections, run on Bushite-corporate "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY software, with virtually no audit/recount controls, brought about during the 2002-2004 period by the infamous "Help America Vote Act" --a $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle that has corrupted our election system from one end of the country to the other.

It's staring us in the face. What could we EXPECT from an election system ENGINEERED by the two biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney?

Look, friends. We may be facing the worst. But I think we still have a window of opportunity to turn this around, even if the Bush junta does attack Iran. To turn it around, we need to RESTORE our right to vote, i.e., we need to restore TRANSPARENT elections, elections in which PEOPLE can SEE the vote counting. This is a difficult, long term task--still doable at the state/local level--that we must not give up on.

Our right to vote is the mechanism by which we exercise our sovereignty as a people. That right as been taken away. Without it, we have no power. We MUST get it back. Here is some information that will help that effort...

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SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Practical suggestions for the immediate future:

1. ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING. Promote absentee ballot voting. It's not the ultimate solution, by any means, but it at least provides a tangible paper record for challenging suspicious election results, and for recounts and investigations. (Absentee ballots were a great help to investigators in 2004.) Absentee ballot voting is also a form of protest against the machines. 50% of Californians are now requesting Absentee Ballots. If enough people do it, the machines will be obsolete; then we can work on getting rid of the central tabulators.

2. MONITOR THE ELECTIONS. Join with others to closely monitor the coming elections and gather and document evidence. See www.UScountvotes.org, and other resources, below. UScountvotes.org needs donations!

3. DEMAND INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. Demand that the Democratic Party fund INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. Exit polls are used worldwide to verify elections and check for fraud. The war profiteering corporate news monopoly exit polls cannot be trusted (they are doctored to match the results from the voting machines' secret programming code; rather than being used to verify elections, they are used to confirm NON-TRANSPARENT "official results"). The Democratic Party owes us, big time, for their lack of vigilance--and in some cases corruption--on electronic voting. This is one critically needed thing that they can do to help.

4. THINK LONG TERM. Saving our democracy promises to be a long hard struggle. We obviously can't get rid of these machines before the '06 elections, so focus on doing our best with the Diebold/ES&S handicap (a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites and warmongers), and getting rid of these machines afterward, for '08 and beyond.

5. TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH. They NEED to know it. Engage them in the fight. Bumper sticker: "Help Us Beat the Machines--VOTE!" There is nothing more demoralizing and disempowering than constantly losing and not knowing WHY. There is evidence that the machines CAN be beaten by massive turnout. Get people involved! Help them to SEE what's happening! THEY will solve the problem, ultimately--if they can only IDENTIFY what it is!

6. PRESSURE LOCAL/STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS. Right now, the best place to fight this fight is at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some influence. Bush's Congress is NOT going to give us back our right to vote--they are the ones who took it away (with the collusion of some corrupt Dems). Don't look to the Feds--look to your local county registrar, your state election boards, your secretaries of state. Demand TRANSPARENT elections. Also educate and mobilize your local Democratic Party and other political party groups.

The first priority in this historic fight for American democracy is restoring our right to vote--the mechanism by which we exercise our sovereignty as a people. Without it, we have no power. We MUST change this.

Never give up on our right to vote! NEVER!

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ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496
Seven of these counties have promised the judge they would use PAPER BALLOTS, and were dismissed from this lawsuit (4/27/06).
http://kcbs.com/pages/29285.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2249205

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,110192,00.html
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x419226

(Tide turning?) New York Times: "New Fears of Security Risks in Electronic Voting Systems" (5/12/06)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2278829

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INFORMATION AND ACTIVIST RESOURCES for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)


(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x423739

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550 (many DUers support the bill):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x422926
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x421136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=422967&mesg_id=422967
To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html

(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Michael Collins (Autorank)'s searing election reform article for New Zealand's Scoop.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x971363

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

HOWARD DEAN remarks on electronic voting machines 04/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x994507

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence
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pola Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:42 PM
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32. great post, Peace Patriot ! I'm going to copy it ! Thanks
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:57 AM
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13. US does not posess the ability to invade Iran....
the US cannot do a competent job in Iraq, and the military is overextended even trying that occupation. An invasion of Iran is pretty
much not doable with the resources available.

air based bombing, missles, etc, are about all that is available.

Then of course the other nations in the area will support Iran and bush will go down in history as the man who stabbed american soldiers in the back.

Msongs
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:59 AM
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14. Didn't Condi say it would be a matter of weeks and not months
In all likelihood it is a done deal. They must get America all Patriotic in Warfare so they will vote Republican. The "War Profiteering Party"
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:30 PM
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23. WEEKS is correct
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:55 PM
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27. It's an election year. More war on terra is in order.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:49 AM
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18. despite the nay-sayers, just as my gut said they would invade Iraq
and take away our civil rights, it tells me they are BOUND and determined to strike Iran. They don't need an army (they think) - they are going to use nukes. they are that crazy.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:04 PM
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36. False flag attack on America or its allies...
...would then have to be nuke-level. I would not put that as something beyond the Bush Regime. :(
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:45 PM
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19. Kick
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:49 PM
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20. I'm starting to doubt they'll go after Iran
Sure, they probably want to. But they realize it's all but impossible with our military so overstretched. And it would turn Iraq into further hell.

That's probably why they're finally agreeing to talks.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:33 PM
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24. "The Talks" is just propaganda as an excuse to attack
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:57 PM
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28. Isn't there a way to watch troop movements.
McGovern sites Navy ships. Maybe there's a website somewhere.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:12 PM
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21. this will be done under the war powers act while there is still...
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 03:15 PM by mike_c
...a republican majority in Congress. Under WPA authorization, Bush can attack first and request permission afterward. Congress has the authority to compel him to withdraw but they will not act once the attack begins, and I'd be willing to bet that at least half the democrats will "unify in support of the President and our troops" in the wake of an attack. Then too, the attack itself might be over before the Congress has any opportunity to act at all, leaving only the mandated report to Congress, which will undoubtedly be a one-page note, just like the notification he sent regarding the invasion of Iraq.

on edit: just to be clear, I'm referring to the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 03:23 PM
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22. Alex Jones?
Alex Jones???

:eyes:
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 05:56 PM
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30. mcgovern
ray mcgovern
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:54 PM
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33. "appearing on the Alex Jones show"?
Come on.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:00 PM
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35. im not sure what your point is?
im not sure what your point is?

i agree that AJ is loony - but that doesnt change what mcgovern says.

i wouldnt go on AJ's show - but some of our favourites do - for whatever reason. sibel and larisa have both done the show
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:39 AM
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42. He also says it might not happen in June or July
unfortunately that doesn't get the headlines.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 06:43 AM
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45. Why do you think he isn't a guest on the MSM??
Because he's got credibility and integrity. The MSM doesn't want to spoil the Fascist in the WH's party by possibly calling them on the carpet for their lies by having him on as a guest to piss on their charade.

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Moralman Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 04:26 PM
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29. More Evidence Nuking Iran is on Schedule
More evidence Nuking Iran is on Schedule


In a story appearing in the Sunday Telegraph, the newspaper once owned by the Canadian criminal finagler and neocon “Lord” Conrad Black, amoral strategists “at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran’s nuclear sites as a ‘last resort’ to block Teheran’s efforts to develop an atomic bomb.” If not so deadly serious, the idea that the Straussian neocons will shock and awe Iran only as a “last resort” would be comical. In fact, they have long planned to bomb Iran—imaginary nukes or not—and kill as many Iranians as possible and decimate the civilian infrastructure, as they have done in Iraq (some estimates put the death toll thus far above 130,000).

“Central Command and Strategic Command planners are identifying targets, assessing weapon-loads and working on logistics for an operation, the Sunday Telegraph has learnt.”

In fact, the Pentagon has long mapped out its targets, including “secondary targets,” usually civilian airports, radio and TV installations, telecommunications centers, government buildings, conventional power plants, water and waste treatment plants, highways and bridges, and rail lines. In Iraq (twice) this sort of “targeting” resulted in massive suffering and death (coupled with sanctions after the first Bush Iraq Invasion, more than a million Iraqis died of starvation and disease, a stunning crime against humanity).

These criminal strategists, basically no different than the German Wehrmacht strategists who planned Operation Barbarossa, “are reporting to the office of Donald Rumsfeld, the defense secretary, as America updates plans for action if the diplomatic offensive fails to thwart the Islamic republic’s nuclear bomb ambitions.”

Of course, this “diplomatic offensive” is designed to fail, as the “diplomatic offensive” prior to the Iraqi invasion failed (and the “diplomatic offensive” in Afghanistan failed, even though the Taliban were ready to turn over Osama bin Laden, if only the Americans were able to provide evidence of his complicity in nine eleven, something the Americans were unable and unwilling to do because they did not have compelling evidence and, besides, they had planned to invade Afghanistan well before nine eleven, as plenty of evidence attests).

“This is more than just the standard military contingency assessment,” a senior Pentagon adviser told the Telegraph. “This has taken on much greater urgency in recent months.”

Indeed, the shock and awe dismemberment of Iranian society is considered more “than just the standard military contingency assessment,” as the PNAC Straussian neocons have long told us. It has “taken on much greater urgency in recent months” because the Bush administration, a front for the Straussian neocon nihilists, is winding down and it will take months to obliterate Iranian culture and civil society. Moreover, the neocons need to fit in Syria, at minimum—they would prefer to do Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, but this is obviously too ambitious, that is unless they can figure out a way to keep Bush in office.

“The prospect of military action could put Washington at odds with Britain which fears that an attack would spark violence across the Middle East, reprisals in the West and may not cripple Teheran’s nuclear program. But the steady flow of disclosures about Iran’s secret nuclear operations and the virulent anti-Israeli threats of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has prompted the fresh assessment of military options by Washington. The most likely strategy would involve aerial bombardment by long-distance B2 bombers, each armed with up to 40,000lb of precision weapons, including the latest bunker-busting devices. They would fly from bases in Missouri with mid-air refuelling.”

Nonsense, Tony Blair is fully onboard with the plan to reduce the Middle East to a simmering cauldron of violence and dead, mutilated bodies. Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al, are ecstatic over Ahmadinejad’s highly suspect anti-Semitic (or rather, anti-Ashkenazi, since the majority of Jews in Israel are white Europeans and not Semites) declarations, leading more than a few people to believe he is a Mossad agent or has an as of yet unknown reason for egging on the Israelis and Americans. Either way, Ahmadinejad is courting disaster.

As former CIA intelligence analyst Philip Giraldi told the American Conservative last July, the United States plans to nuke the be-jesus out of Iran. “The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons.” All of this despite the fact Iran is a non-nuclear country, a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and working with the IAEA, although the latter reported Iran to the UN Security Council last week.
So itchy is the Pentagon to use nukes against non-nuke countries, they wrote the “policy” in their “Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations” (pdf doc).

“Senator Joe Lieberman, a Democrat, Mr. Bush is expected to be faced by the decision within two years.” More balderdash—the United States plans to bomb Iran next month, or soon thereafter. It wants Iran wasted sooner before later. Last week Vladimir Zhirinovsky, leader of the Liberal Democrats in Russia, told the Ekho Moskvy radio station “that the Muslim riots were orchestrated by the US to garner European backing for the military strike” and the “war is inevitable because the Americans want this war. Any country claiming a leading position in the world will need to wage wars.
Otherwise it will simply not be able to retain its leading position,” as well spelled out by the PNAC maniacs who have captured the flag in Washington.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 06:09 PM
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31. Hi Moralman!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 12:28 AM
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39. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

"some estimates put the death toll thus far above 130,000' - Perhaps 3 million? ... or 30 million?



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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:08 PM
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37. ugh
Do we brace ourselves folks?
Is it going to hit the fan for the final act of the great experiment in democracy here?
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