False Flag Operation - defined for those not familiar with the term

[burythehatchet]

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than your own. Terrorist attacks may sometimes be in fact false flag operations, as in the Italian strategy of tension in which several bombings in the 1970s, attributed to far-left organizations, were in fact carried on by far-right organizations cooperating with the Italian secret services.

Minstrel Boy has a great post on this, but some reason it was sent to 911 forum:wtf:

I suspect, for some reason, that many of us may not be comfortable allowing ourselves to seriously entertain the possibility that a good portion of the violence in Iraq is a result of flase flag operations by the US and British. When you allow yourself to consider this possibility, a lot of things will make sense.




The fruit of George and Condi

[Drum]

1. If I recall,

There was something going around a month (or so) ago, about British soldiers in Iraq being outfitted in US uniforms and gear?

If anyone recalls the specifics, would you share, in the illuminating spirit of the OP?

[Jigarotta]

2. I believe it was Brit soldiers dressed as 'Iraqi's.

and doing some nasty shit. don't have the link tho.

[951-Riverside]

4. I still have their photos of their faces and equipment on a disk somewhere

[SlavesandBulldozers]

7. actually it was both.

there are reports of both of the above happening. the one you refer to is the really bizarre incident where the two SAS dudes were captured by Iraqi security forces, and then broken out by a Brit raid on the jail! down the memory hole that went!!!!

[burythehatchet]

10. Here's the link to an incredible thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92532

[SlavesandBulldozers]

14. thanks. what a nightmare.

[burythehatchet]

3. You can find the link on the Minstrel Boy thread in 911 forum.

[Jigarotta]

5. False Flag ops are a Fact.

no tinfoil about it, so I don't understand why speaking of this subject is thrown into the september 11 forum.

[Minnesota Libra]

6. I didn't know "False Flag" was the proper term but I learned..............

....something else this week that sort of fits into this. Now I'm not quite sure yet exactly how to properly explain all this so try to follow me here and PLEASE correct me with what ever "terms" or "facts" apply.

There are construction companies operating in Iraq as we all know and supposedly each of those construction companies employ their own "security crews". These "security crews" sometimes run around the countryside and are only identifiable from US Military personnel by the humvees the Military drive but these security crews apparently don't have. I jumped all over someone's case the other day for using the term "army" and "mercenary" in the same sentence. To me that was an insult to our Military. THANKFULLY, the person in question took ten very deep breaths and proceeded to very nicely edumakate my poor stupid ass. I got quite an eye opening education too - and since then I've come to hate and loathe this administration, if that's possible, even more than I did before.

Since then I've been wondering this same thing. Are there rouge armies (not US Military), paid directly or indirectly by members of this administration, roaming the Iraqi countryside pulling off at least some of these atrocities in the name of our Military. I'm just not ready yet to label our entire US Military as some butchering, killer happy, group. There's got to be something else going on here and a rouge army (not all US Military) would certainly explain a lot.

Ok everyone, if you disagree with my views please provide links and info.

[burythehatchet]

9. You've got it right

There were many Iraqis who didn't believe the official version of the bombing of the mosque several months ago. I believe this is happening a lot. Chaos is the condition under which they can steal, and gives them the justification to stay.

Damn these bastards to hell.

[burythehatchet]

11. Spend some time reading the original post below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92532

[Minnesota Libra]

13. So our US Military may be be acting within the lawful limits BUT..........

....there are "rouge" armies with the US and Britain too that are purposely thwarting the Military efforts for profit and for long term occupation?

If I'm right so far then that means this can all be traced directly or indirectly back to the very top (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove)and of course being Commander-and-Thief the WH Idiot F..ker is responsible. Isn't this the classic definition of the word "treason"?? Working to destroy one's government and laws for one's own gain??

Again, please, correct me where I'm wrong here.

[burythehatchet]

16. Right again

The one actor whose name you missed, and who is very prominent behind the scenes, is Negroponte. He has a history of this is Central AMerica.

[Minnesota Libra]

17. You mentioned "Negroponte" and I remember hearing the name but............

....must admit it was either one of my "blond moments" or I was already hearing too much f..king shit that I just could absorb any more. I don't know if others have times like this or not but sometimes I just need to back off or else I think I'm going to go "postal" on something or someone. Anyway, can you give me a couple of links where I can read up on this character? Thanks for taking the time to help me out here today.

There are just some really super cool people at DU - you know that??:grouphug:

[burythehatchet]

18. from wikipedia - much more at the linked page

From 1981 to 1985 Negroponte was the U.S. ambassador to Honduras, given the title "proconsul". During this time military aid to Honduras grew from $4 million to $77.4 million a year, and the US began to maintain a significant military presence there, with the goal of providing a bulwark against the socialist Sandinista government of Nicaragua.

The previous U.S. ambassador to Honduras, Jack Binns (who was appointed by President Jimmy Carter) made numerous complaints about human rights abuses by the Honduran military and claimed he fully briefed Negroponte on the situation before leaving the post. When the Reagan administration came to power, Binns was replaced by Negroponte, who has consistently denied having knowledge of any wrongdoing.

Negroponte supervised the construction of the El Aguacate air base where Nicaraguan Contras were trained by the U.S., and which some critics say was used as a secret detention and torture center during the 1980s. In August 2001, excavations at the base discovered 185 corpses, including two Americans, who are thought to have been killed and buried at the site.

Negroponte is suspected by some commentators to have known of human rights abuses carried out by CIA-trained operatives in Honduras in the 1980s. Records show that a death squad, euphemized as a "special intelligence unit" of Battalion 3-16 of the Honduran armed forces, kidnapped, tortured and killed hundreds of people, including U.S. missionaries. This death squad was trained by the CIA, the Argentine 601st Intelligence Battalion and the Argentine Army Intelligence Service. Critics charge that Negroponte knew about these human rights violations and yet continued to collaborate with the Honduran military while lying to Congress.

In May 1982, a nun, Sister Laetitia Bordes, who had worked for ten years in El Salvador, went on a fact-finding delegation to Honduras to investigate the whereabouts of thirty Salvadoran nuns and women of faith who fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Óscar Romero's assassination. Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing about the nuns. However, in a 1996 interview with The Baltimore Sun, Negroponte's predecessor, Jack Binns, said that a group of Salvadorans, among whom were the women Bordes had been looking for, were captured on April 22, 1981, and savagely tortured by the DNI, the Honduran Secret Police, and then later thrown out of helicopters alive.

In early 1984, two American mercenaries, Thomas Posey and Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte, stating they wanted to supply arms to the Contras after the U.S. Congress had banned further military aid. Documents show that Negroponte brought the two together with a contact in the Honduran armed forces. The operation was exposed nine months later, at which point the Reagan administration denied any U.S. involvement, despite Negroponte's introductions of some of the individuals. Other documents detailed a plan of Negroponte and then-Vice President George H. W. Bush to funnel Contra aid money through the Honduran government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

He was ambassador to Iraq in 04-05 when the post invasion black ops were being set-up.

[TomClash]

15. They're not really under US Military field command

Many are "private security contractors" hired by CIA, DIA, DSS and God knows who else. I suspect they run some false flag operations using these people.

Whether the Iraq War is just some big false flag operation is questionable; they certainly wanted oil. And the US did need to clear out of Prince Sultan AFB pretty quickly though, didn't it? Iraq was the logical candidate for transfer of those facilities. But the military would still stay even if we easily and successfully maintained security in the country - no one would be clamoring for our troops to come home if there were few casualties.

The real question is whether 9/11 was a false flag operation.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

8. false flag. i've also heard the term "agents provocateur".

[TomClash]

12. Or Black Ops