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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:20 AM
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MEDIA: INSURGENCY LIKELY OVER NOW THAT "SUPREME" LEADER ZARQAWI ELIMINATED
they are also saying that the violence will likely die down now that the "supreme" leader of the insurgency is gone! wow, I feel so relieved that the media is reporting this. they've been right on so many other occasions in regards to iraq.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:21 AM
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1. Maybe now is when they'll greet us with roses
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:22 AM
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2. LOL. If they report that it will look pretty bad for them and Bush
when the insurgency continues at the same pace.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:23 AM
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3. or if the "pace" increases from a dead Martyr
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:25 AM
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5. that's basically what they're saying
some general guy on msnbc said that the insurgency is now in disarray now that their leader is gone. and they wouldn't be able to replace him. excuse me, but when did zarqawi become leader of the insurgency? he was leader of one group that was sensationalized by the US military.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:24 AM
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4. It Will Not Make The Slightest Difference, Sir
"Leaders" in such activities are like shark's teeth; when one is broken off, several are already pressing forward to take his place....
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:45 AM
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24. Like a lizard growing a new tail
This may actually increase activity....wonder how egg on face tastes, or will the main stream media act like they never said this at all.

Betcha we see revisionist history happen before the week is out.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:58 AM
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32. Or as our forebears in Ancient Greece knew...
You cut off one head of the hydra, two more are ready to take its place.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:39 AM
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36. Excellent analogy, Magistrate...
Very good! :)
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:26 AM
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6. I say we tape all those bullshit comments about this all being...
over and play them back in a month or two. That way we can show how little these people understand the beast we are fighting.

You decapitate it, and it grows another head. You have to starve the beast to really kill it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:52 AM
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28. it'll be a short tape
Not many are making those kinds of comments from what I've seen/heard
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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:27 AM
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7. Was he ever "Al Quaeda's #2"?
Who is the new #2?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:29 AM
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8. And exactly what does have Al-Qaeda HAVE to do with the insurgency?
What with private contractors and mercenaries getting all the big bucks, no water or electricity 24/7, and troops shooting innocent civilians, the Iraq citizenry has needed no outside encouragement to join the insurgency?

:crazy:
rocknation
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:30 AM
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9. Let's see, didn't they say this when they caught Saddam?
And when Iraq first elected a government, and when they wrote a Constitution, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

And again, we'll look back at this media frenzy in couple of years when we're still getting our ass handed to us in Iraq, and shake our head sadly.

Yay, another "Mission Accomplished" moment:eyes:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:37 AM
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13. Why, yes, I believe they did!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:31 AM
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10. I haven't heard that! I've heard that the violence will continue.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:35 AM
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11. Turning Point #434. . .
:evilgrin:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:36 AM
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12. Bwaaahahahahaha
NewPravda....new and fucking IMPROVED Pravda!!!!

:rofl:


:rofl:
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:37 AM
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14. You mean the guy who couldnt fix his gun? nt
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:46 AM
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37. You mean his AMERICAN pos gun??
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:29 AM
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15. Really? These are the commentary pieces I find on the websites
CNN: Al-Zarqawi death seen as one victory in long war Thousands of insurgency groups still at work in Iraq

ABC: Ex-Terror Czar: al-Zarqawi Death Won't Speed End of Iraq War 'Symbol of Terror' in Iraq Controlled Only Small Percentage of Insurgents

There are some who are pushing the Bush propaganda, though:

Security politics
The Washington Post writes that Zarqawi’s killing “is the most significant public triumph for the U.S.-led coalition since the 2003 capture of Saddam Hussein.”

The New York Times: “The announcement of Zarqawi's death, shortly before noon today in Baghdad, appeared to mark a major watershed in the war.”

The AP notes that the development "comes at a time of trouble in Bush's presidency. It is uplifting news for the president whose popularity has been weighed down by waning public confidence in his handling of the war in Iraq."

A senior US official long involved in the hunt for Zarqawi tells NBC’s Bob Windrem that the real value of today's attack may be ending Zarqawi's "world-wide ambitions." The official said that if, as reported, seven of Zarqawi's associates were killed with him, it could means that the US has "decapitated" Zarqawi's "command structure" at a time when his ambitions were on the rise.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3626796/


It seems to be the print media that's cheerleading for Bush more.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:31 AM
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16. BUSHIT!
They wish!

All the other things that they promised us about Iraq were lies too...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:32 AM
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17. I haven't heard one media source say this
In fact, they are all saying precisely the opposite.

Stop making shit up.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:37 AM
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18. some general guy
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 10:39 AM by Halliburton
just said that the insurgency was in disarray now that their "leader" was eliminated and that it would take a long time to recover from this. and he wasn't referring to al qaeda in iraq either. it was on msnbc
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:41 AM
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19. You should attribute it to one know-nothing "general guy"
The "media" is saying nothing of the kind.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:43 AM
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22. soledad o'brien
was trying to convince joe biden that the insurgency was over in her interview with him. in her interview with nick berg's father she tried to demonstrate to him that "democracy" really was working as a result of zarqawi's death.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:45 AM
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23. She most certainly did not
She asked him if it was, and he said no.

Get a hold of yourself.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:42 AM
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20. "some general guy" = the "Media"
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 10:43 AM by onenote
Doing our stretches this morning aren't we...
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:46 AM
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25. soledad o'brien got the memo
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 10:47 AM by Halliburton
as did matt lauer who were touting this as a big victory.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:51 AM
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27. transcript of O'Brien/Berg interview
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:59 AM
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38. The news anchors are all asking loaded/leading questions
like that, however the experts aren't biting.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:42 AM
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21. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 10:43 AM by ContraBass Black
Okay then, put all the soldiers on the planes and fly them home.

EDIT: Did somebody say this, or is it a joke?
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:49 AM
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26. Which media? I heard just the opposite
That it was a significant propaganda victory for the U.S., but will have no effect on the real insurgency, since they had little or nothing to do with him.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:54 AM
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29. this is the opposite of what Tony Snow was saying
he said the insurgents will want to prove they are still strong, and it will still be a long slog.

Where is the media coming up with this shit?
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:55 AM
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30. Who is saying this?
Go ahead. Let them raise expectations. Just another display of the media's (and the neocons') fundamental inability to understand the mechanics of global terrorism.

Decapitation hurts, but DOESN'T STOP TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. Organizations like Al Qaeda are decentralized, comprised of multiple independent moving parts. It's like a friggin' hydra- you can't cut off one head and declare victory.

Once again, they fall into the conceit of assuming that Al Qaeda operates in the same fashion as a political state. It doesn't. That's why invading Iraq made absolutely no sense in the War on Terror.

Is the world a better place without Al-Zarqawi? Hell, yeah. But the notion that this is some kind of happy ending is just mindnumbing.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:57 AM
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31. Mission Accomplished - The Television Series
Tuned in. Right after American Idol.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:58 AM
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33. God, that's so intensely stupid.
They can't possibly be dumb enough to believe that, can they? The Iraqi insurgents are part of a popular movement. There is no "supreme leader" for something like this- it's just the population of a country collectively saying, "fuck you". Zarqawi's a real guy, but the hype was all from our own government, because they needed a face to put on the Iraqi insurgency, and they needed a target other than bin Laden. Even if he is actually dead this time, it's not going to make a damn bit of difference anyway. And I'll tell you something else- we'll have a *new* Zarqawi bogeyman inside of 2 months. New ad campaign, new fraudulant villain for their fraudulant war.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:59 AM
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34. Now suicide bombers will be shouting his name as they push the button.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:29 AM
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35. Whoever said this is F@cking DREAMING...
This insurgency has been in it's "last throes" for YEARS now...
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