The reality and BOTTOM LINE of Lewis Black's reach to do his Kerry bashing

[blm]

Black's Kerry-bashing last night proved a couple things that are the REAL problems the Dem party has OVERALL:

There is no willingness for Beltway Democrats and Beltway Comedians to acknowledge that voting machine fraud and election fraud exist. No - the candidates are just bad.

There is no willingness for Beltway Democrats and Beltway Comedians to acknowledge that the corporate media is controlling the perception of the American people AND the average Democratic voter. Both parties are the same.

The only one who seems to GET that It's the media, stupid is Colbert. And the only comedian who's even scratched lightly at machine fraud has been Maher.

[stepnw1f]

1. Well Said and I Agree

People keep playing into the media's myths. And with all the information readily available here on the internet. This place is a treasure trove of facts... ya just have to do a little researching, but it's all here. If it isn't, I'm sure there is a link here that will point you in the right direction.

[rockymountaindem]

2. I think the bottom line is that apathy is supposed to be cool

and that hating on everybody is the way to be credible. I guess it's not comedic gold to have beliefs and to stand up for them, but getting cheap laughs for tearing down everybody doesn't do us (the liberals) any good either.

People go back and forth about things like South Park, but the real problem with them is that they promote apathy and try to make involvement seem laughable.

[blm]

3. You nailed that - I think JibJab did the same - a concerted effort to make

both parties appear as equally corrupt and laughable, because that technique really only works on Democratic voters. It doesn't work at all on GOP voters, because they LIKE they're lawmakers corrupt, greedy and self-righteous.

[rockymountaindem]

4. That's right on about the JibJab thing

a lot of my conservative friends showed (or tried to show) me that and were surprised I didn't laugh. I said "why would I laugh? They made fun of Democrats". Then would come the BS about how "well, they made fun of Republicans too and you have to admit they have a point about you Democrats". I'd just tell them, "sorry, I'm not buying that equivocal BS line. I'm a Democrat, therefore I think we're good and you guys still suck, so no matter how much you try to get me to laugh at my own party, this means too much for sophomoric humor". Deliver a line like that with deadpan expression and people usually get your point.

[ginnyinWI]

5. this is the reason I also don't like Jon Stewart.

He laughs at everybody--Republicans and Dems alike. And everything that happens in this world is a laugh. It's not funny anymore.

[blm]

20. It's the FAUX BALANCE "device" that they employ - they have to REACH for

a FAUX JOKE where none actually exists.

[Orsino]

15. Or that apathy is *inevitable* when those entrusted with power...

...establish the precedent.

[frustrated_lefty]

6. I was happy to not bring up the fucking hilarious

comedy special here, because, well, anything less than kamikaze support for Kerry makes some people here cry.

Some of us tried to warn against it, but the democrats at large did manage to pick the one "normal" person who would lose in the special olympics, as Black put it.

Look, it's simple. George W. Bush is quite literally the single WORST president in this countries history. He's a fucking simpleton, an embarrassment, a moron who with his every action detracts from the values this country was founded upon. Bozo the Clown would have slaughtered him in '04. It should have been a landslide. Not a victory which might be fudged with a few lost districts, a few mislaced votes. It should have been so overwhelming that dictators in South America were envious of the support. But, no! We had to have milque toast because we didn't want to be so outlandish as to have a vocal, impassioned representative.

If you want to sit around and cry foul now, so be it. It's just too damned bad you don't get what a fucking joke it is to have your candidate of choice lose against a fucking alcoholic, coke-fiend retard.

[KittyWampus]

8. BLM, we have Exhibit A right here.

I'll call it the "MY candidate would have won" syndrom.

[Mass]

9. You are living in an alternate universe, I guess.

Even in 2004, Bush was far from being as impopular than his father, Carter, or Ford when they lost.

He was a relatively popular president and the Republicans were still supporting him by very high percentage.

You want to dream it was different, feel free, but all polls throughout 2004 showed otherwise.

[frustrated_lefty]

10. No, I simply refuse to take anyone seriously

when they get their panties all twisted up because a comedian made a joke. That's especially the case when there actually may be some basis for the joke.

Oh, those mean comedians, they just don't play fair. Grow up.

[Mass]

12. I was not answering to blm's post, but to your irrealist view of 2004.

I could not care less of what Black said. He is a comedian and not even a democrat or a liberal. But I care when people here are so much on their cloud that they cant recognize the truth.

blm is right in her campaign against media bias (not sure she is right in this case, but the problem is much larger than what Black can say).

(and thanks for the "get their panties all twisted up". That certainly has some class).

[blm]

19. I can take the toughest jokes out there - -

The longest significant relationship in my life was with the toughest comic mind in the country and who GREATLY influenced people like Colbert - don't even TRY to tell me what a joke is or how I am being sensitive - I'd say if I can handle 11 years with so and so, I can handle a tough joke now and then.

[blm]

25. BTW, WHERE WAS THE JOKE? All Black said was Bush and Kerry were the same

pile of shit. There was a joke in there? Jokes have to have TRUTH to be effective. Black chose to repeat a LIE. The same harmful LIE that was used against Gore.

[A Simple Game]

14. Harsh, true but harsh.

In the fall of '04 *'s approval numbers were at or below 50%. Very poor numbers for a sitting war time president. I'm not sure about Bozo the Clown, but Howdy Doody(sp), a wooden clown, could have beat him.

I like Kerry, but he just has no spark, alas nor does Gore, whom I really like for his ideas.

[karynnj]

24. Bush's father was below 40%

The problem is that Bush was either slightly above or below 50% for most of 2004. I worried as the pundits assumed there was a 50% rule - in fact in modern elections there were no Presidents in the 40 - 50 range.

Consider that some of the people who answered that they didn't approve were on the right - consider Pat Buchanan type people. Though they didn't approve, in a contest with any Democrat they would vote for Bush. (Turn it around, would everyone here say they approved of Kerry or were there some ABB votes?)

The fact is Kerry easily beat all the other candidates in the primaries. I think it was the easiest win I ever saw of an open seat. Also consider he had government organizations paying reporters to say good things about Bush programs, terror levels raised when his numbers when up, less coverage of his convention (3 hrs to Gore's 9 hrs), and a very biased broadcast media wheer no one raised an eyebrow when his purple hearts were mocked.

Consider what that means - he put himself in harm's way as a 25 yr old and was injured 3 times. Any of those battles (and many where he didn't get hit) could have killed him if the trajectory were different. It was only luck that he wasn't seriously injured. Yet you had Bob Dole insisting he never bled - which is a real trick as he has scrapnel in his leg. So, yeah, this was really funny - the media by not calling the Republicans on this, sent an unambiguous message that Kerry did not deserve respect.

Considering all this - through his convention speech and the debates - the only time he was seen without the media filtering him - he nearly won enough votes to win.

[blm]

17. The MOST MEDIA-PROTECTED PRESIDENT IN FOCKING HISTORY - - GET IT???

Kerry probably won by about FIVE FOCKING PERCENT, against a president who had MORE MEDIA PROTECTION THAN JOHN KENNEDY and RONALD REAGAN combined, fer chrissakes.

You really BELIEVE That Kerry got 10 MILLION More votes than Gore and still had less than Bush?

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. What a farce

"I hated Bush and so did my friends, so that means Bozo the Clown could have beaten him!"

You seem incapable of understanding the difference between "worst" and "most unpopular." You either have very poor critical thinking skills, or you wanted to get in a mean-spirited jibe about Kerry and people who support him because you're a disgruntled fan of a '04 primary loser.

[KittyWampus]

7. BLM, I think about 75% of posting DU'ers don't get it either.

They just use any opportunity to trash Democrat X,Y,Z.

[Mass]

11. Black is not and has never been a Democrat or a liberal.

In several interviews, he has explained he was kind of a libertarian. So you should not be surprised by his "joke". This is what I would expect from him. No surprise there.

[blm]

27. I called him a Beltway Comedian - he still plays off what he hears from

corporate media. That's the problem for Democrats, in general. Always battling the perception that has been set up by the GOP media meant to render you voiceless and ineffective for the issues.

[upi402]

13. seconded!

:toast:
Jon Stewart goes at them pretty hard, but stops short of blasting corporatism and also goes soft with guests like General Liar Powell.

[oasis]

16. Q:What do Kenneth Blackwell and Willie Horton have in common?

A: They both got a Bush elected president.

Lewis Black could have said something along those lines.

[NYCGirl]

18. Except that 97% of the audience wouldn't know who Kenneth Blackwell is.

Keep your day job. Comedy writing may not be for you.
:evilgrin:

[oasis]

26. If the crime of the election theft is to get exposure, it would be helpful

to have a face associated with the crime.

Adam's Apple Annie Coulter isn't all that well known, yet the late night talk show hosts are ripping her to shreds.

[wisteria]

21. Outrage should lead to us contacting Black and letting him know we

didn't appreciate his comment. If enough of us complain and say were aren't going to listen to him, go see him or by his Cd's than he will stop doing this Kerry bashing. He is entitled to his opinion, but we don't have to support his negative opinion.

[BlueIris]

22. Yeah; which is fucked up. The Dems don't want to alienate their ignorant

constituents, and the comediens don't want to alienate the ignorant in their audience. And it's like both groups are saying to us, the informed, and to each other, "I'm not going on a limb for you. Gimme something to point to as proof, then we'll see." Frustrating.