Kerry demands US troop pullout-Regrets his vote for war resolution

[kpete]

Kerry demands US troop pullout
Regrets his vote for war resolution
By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | June 14, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry is placing himself at the center of congressional action over the war in Iraq this week with a crisply worded resolution to require President Bush to withdraw almost all US troops by the end of this year.

The measure has exposed Kerry to attacks from Republicans and some Democrats, as critics rushed to tag the plan as a ``cut-and-run" strategy. But it also has made him a rallying point for antiwar activists.

The sweeping resolution amounts to the senator's sharpest condemnation of the war and his broadest repudiation of his own vote to authorize force. It also stands in contrast to his handling of the war issue during his campaign for president two years ago.

``My friends, war is no excuse for its own perpetuation," Kerry said before a group of cheering liberal activists who had gathered in Washington yesterday for a ``Take Back America" conference. ``It is essential to acknowledge that the war itself was a mistake -- to say the simple words that contain more truth than pride. . . . It was wrong and I was wrong to vote for that Iraqi war resolution."

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/06/14/kerry_demands_us_troop_pullout/

[Cha]

1. Good! I like Kerry..I'm really

glad he regrets that vote! And is man enough to say it!

Now we can get down to business!

[RaleighNCDUer]

2. If he'd said this during the election

the repugs would have had to cheat a lot harder.

[sandnsea]

9. wrong war, wrong place, wrong time

If Democrats had listened to what he said, instead of what the Bushies said he said, they would have clearly known he never would have started that war and that he voted to get inspectors into Iraq to prevent the war, and would never have lied in order to use war powers the way Bush did.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. bush has set the propaganda machine to fever pitch. Talk like this

sets every god damn talking head into full "he's profoundly irresponsible" mode.

[karynnj]

35. What's great about Kerry though is that he looks

and sounds so completely rational and reasonable as he says these things. His plan is very responsible. Someone has to say these things and from all exposure to Kerry that people had he was extremely rational and Presidential.

[stevietheman]

4. Kerry is just calling on the nation to make a sound business decision...

He (like most of the American people) has done the cost/benefit analysis and decided the nation must withdraw.

If that's "cutting and running", so be it. Businesses "cut and run" from products they decide to discontinue, and "cut and run" from communities when their factories are no longer profitable. The Bush Regime "cuts and runs" regularly from diplomatic efforts as well as treaties.

"Cutting and running" is a great American pastime. So, what's the problem?

[stop the bleeding]

5. I am sorry J Kerry but this is about a few years too late

Like Adam Sandler said in the Wedding Singer "This is information that I/we could have used yesterday"

could he be positioning himself for another attempt at the brass ring?


hmmmmm....

[wisteria]

7. Give the guy a break. He is trying to make right a wrong.

IMO, it is never to late to challenge and change a course. he has my support.He is saying what needs to be said. Frankly, it makes no difference if he is positioning or not. The point is he has stuck his neck out and he needs support. This is for the good of us all.

[stop the bleeding]

8. point taken

being a Floridian from 2000 and 2004 elections just brings the bile to my throat, sorry I over reacted.

Taking deep breaths now :)

[Ganja Ninja]

13. I prefer to give a break and my next vote to someone ....

that was against this war from the start. I gave Kerry a break when I voted for him in 2004.

[Breeze54]

66. "The point is he has stuck his neck out ..."

So did my son because of that 'yes' vote!!
:grr:

But I will accept his apology, late as it is....

[blm]

72. You are HEARING IT LATE.

.

[Breeze54]

77. No, I heard him say

that the war was wrong before and that we should start pulling out.
I hadn't heard him say that his vote was wrong until the "Take Back America" fiasco
with the Code Pink anti-war group at the "Take Back America" conference!

I read quite a bit so stop telling me what I've heard or haven't heard!
Believe me, I've been following this since before day one! (corrected typo)

[blm]

78. This is about the sixth time he's said it since fall

I want him to stop saying it and attack the media instead for spinning the IWR into a vote for war instead of holding Bush accountable for not fulfilling the measures in the iWR that would have PREVENTED WAR.

Kerry did throughout, but the GOPmedia and the left loudmouths won the framing war. Bush was amazingly lucky that way - keep the focus for FOUR EFFING YEARS on the Dems who'll take ALL BLAME for the IWR, and that way Bush skates away with NO SCRUTINY and no blame for VIOLATING the IWR measures set to prevent war.

[Breeze54]

80. and as I said...

"It's about time!!"

Maybe I was to busy worrying about whether my son would live another day, last fall, last year,
to totally focus on Kerry admitting he voted wrong! gheesh! Sorry about that! :sarcasm:

[blm]

81. misplaced blame.....

that IWR should have been used to assure your son's life. Bush chose to violate it and start war despite the fact that the IWR measures were proving war unnecessary. But people got spun into hearing that IWR was a blank check and Bush had no measures to fulfill.

And there isn't an OUNCE of sarcasm in my post. I profoundly regret that people blamed a resolution that would have prevented war instead of blaming Bush for being in violation of it.

[Breeze54]

82. If you actually think I don't

blame "bush and his band of fucktard cons", than you are sadly mistaken!
What angered me was Kerry going along with the flow!!
Actually supporting that asshole in my WH!
Kennedy and 22 others in the Senate voted NO to the IWR!
I worked for Kerry's presidential campaign, despite his fucked up vote!
(But right after the Selection my son was stop lossed) :grr:

So stop assuming ...

[blm]

83. You keep missing my point.

Focusing blame on a resolution that should have prevented war TAKES AWAY FOCUS on Bush for VIOLATING it. The resolution itself was a decent bill that would have prevented war if administered honestly. The more people BLAME the IWR as if it took us to war (it didn't) diminishes any REASON to scrutinize Bush for violating it.

Nope - all blame for four years now goes to IWR and Dems, completely taking the burden off Bush to be accountable for having violated the resolution.

[Breeze54]

84. I think you are missing the point!

The IWR was a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all knew that!! (Well, most of us!)

PNAC - PNAC - PNAC!!

They were already determined to go to war in Iraq!

Kerry should have stuck to his guns!!! NO to IWR! No to Bush and the moron cons!

NO TO WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The vote didn't change much except my opinion of Kerry's ability to recognize bullshit!

And then he wanted to be prez!! :wtf:

It's a matter of trust, confidence! The point YOU seem to be missing!

[blm]

85. So, in your view NO Democrat should have negotiated a better bill?

OK - so NO Dem bothers to negotiate and make a better IWR bill - absolutely NO DEM INFLUENCE - so what WOULD have been the war resolution that ended up passed?

[ProSense]

86. Were you this against the IWR

when you voted for Kerry?

WTF? It was a vote -- not a vote for war, a vote to further the inspections and hold Bush to some accountabilty. Even if every Democrat had voted against the IWR, Bush would have gone to war. As you said they were already determined to go to war. Exactly! So what makes you think a vote was going to stop him? They tried. These Senators tried. I could go back to 2000 and blame every freaking person for letting this asshole into the WH, but what good would that do? Bush and his cronies launched this war, no one else.


It would have been great if everyone who opposed the war was vigorously supporting any call for withdrawal. Calls that have been ongoing for many months. Withdrawal, that is the goal.

[Breeze54]

87. If you scroll down the page

you will see that I already stated that I forgive him.
He admitted it was a bad decision. I agree. Case closed.

But Bush saw it as a vote for war!! That's the point!
You can't give these assholes an INCH! IMHO!
They take it and run.
I wouldn't vote yes to that moron if he wanted to mix chocolate and peanut butter!
;)

Yes, to answer your question/statement. Withdrawal IS the goal! I agree!
It has been my goal since day one! Iraq should have NEVER happened!
PEACE! We are on the same side.

[ProSense]

88. See how faulty that is!

Do you really believe that a vote against the IWR was a vote against trusting Bush? If you do, you need to really review how some of those Senators have voted since then!

BTW, Bush also lied when he said he understood that the IWR was not a vote for war!

[Breeze54]

89. No shit Sherlock! lol J/K...don't have a fit!

(Edited for typo)

"Bush also lied when he said he understood that the IWR was not a vote for war!"
Ya think?? :rofl:

Isn't that what I've been saying? :shrug: Bush was NOT to be trusted!
My question was how come Kerry didn't SEE that?? I did!!!
And I don't have a degree in Poly-Sci! (although I did well in that class!) ;)
Just a 'gut feeling' and the fact that bush is a repigliCON!
Sounded 'just' like Nixon and Reagan and the rest of those jerks!

Look, I think maybe now, Kerry 'gets it'! I hope!
Now to work on HRC! She doesn't GET it!
ARGH!!!!!


:rofl:

[sandnsea]

10. See #9

This really isn't any different than what he's been saying since before the war started. The only difference is that he's recognized some people are just so stuck in their propaganda that they can't hear anything he has to say unless he just goes along with the vote being a vote for war, despite the fact that it wasn't.

[LittleClarkie]

40. No.

A few months before he started saying this sort of thing, he said there was about a few month's window to get things right in Iraq. Uh, my memory. I think it was four months. I'll have to go dig out a speech he made in October to be sure. The clock started ticking right after their elections. Let's say I'm right and it was four months. Well, as soon as that time frame was up, out comes Kerry exclaiming that we need to get out.

I'm always perplexed by this "too late" line of thinking though. Was he "too late" in 1971 because he should have been front and center in 1968? What too him so long? Couldn't he see that it was an immoral war? Maybe the Smear vets were right and he was positioning himself for a Congressional run, hmm?

I reckon as long as there are troops over there still, it's not "too late". Now if the war had been over four three years, and suddenly he made a pronouncement like this, I could agree with you. But I could see this current stance of his coming a mile away. When you can see a person's line of thinking, that is if you're actually paying attention to that person, it hardly looks like he's just popping up with things like this for the sole purpose of positioning himself for another run.

Not that he isn't likely running, mind you. So what. So are Clinton, Clark, Warner, Bayh, Feingold et al.

This is about the troops. And as Kerry said, no one spins him when it comes to the troops. Period.

He's not built that way.

[blm]

79. Yeah - ignore 35 years of Kerry stiucking his neck out further than ANYONE

else and now he's just doing it for positioning.

[MrTriumph]

6. Attn: Kerry apologists. He just said he was wrong.

It wasn't many months ago we had a heated discussion about Kerry's stand on Iraq. Some of my fellow DUers got pretty pointed that Kerry was right to have voted for the IWR.

Now Kerry has said what has been apparent to many of us: He was wrong.

It was a terrible thing to be wrong about an issue so important. But to his credit, he has made a clean break. I applaud him.

So, pro-IWR apologists, NOW do you think voting for the IWR was the right vote?

[wisteria]

11. This post isn't on the IWR, it is on the current state of affairs in Iraq

Honestly, I can understand why he and others voted as they did. he took the advice of Powell, whom he trusted. He had no reason to doubt Powell. Powell had a reputation as an honest man. So, he trusted someone he should not have. I will defend his vote for the resolution. I also embrace his denouncing it now. It is time to move on and focus on right now.

[sandnsea]

15. Yes I do

I still understand the purpose of that vote, I suspect Kerry still knows he voted for the IWR in order to get inspectors into Iraq. The left helped Bush get away with framing it as a vote for war, consequently he will never be held accountable for the lies he told between the vote and deployment of troops. That's the most pathetic thing of all, that Kerry is held repsonsible for doing the right thing while Bush gets away with starting a war based on a pack of lies.

[MrTriumph]

33. But Kerry now says it was the WRONG thing.

"That's the most pathetic thing of all, that Kerry is held repsonsible for doing the right thing...."

Whoa, sandnsea! Kerry, to his credit, now correctly says he was wrong to vote for the IWR. Get with the program!

[karynnj]

37. He says it was wrong to vote for the IWR - because Bush could misuse it

that does not mean it was a vote for war. Kerry was clearly against the war. Where Kerry was wrong was in trusting Bush.

[MrTriumph]

43. Keep slicing the baloney a little thinner and you'll make a

baloney sandwich.

Kerry says the vote was wrong. Are you saying that although it was wrong (kerry's term), if given the chance to do it again, he should still vote FOR the IWR?

What is it with you apologists anyway?

[ProSense]

46. The vote was wrong! He regrets the vote!

If no one believed that Iraq had WMD, the vote would never have happened. This has nothing to do with Kerry's call for withdrawal!

[MrTriumph]

48. "It was wrong and I was wrong to vote for that Iraqi war resolution." -JK

x

[ProSense]

49. The vote was wrong! He regrets the vote!

If no one believed that Iraq had WMD, the vote would never have happened. This has nothing to do with Kerry's call for withdrawal!

Something you don't understand?

[MrTriumph]

51. So you think, given the chance, he should vote for it again?

Look, Kerry said it was 'wrong'.

Granted, millions of us knew a 'yes' was wrong before the vote was held.

Why do you apologists want to soften Kerry's statement? Can't admit YOU were wrong?

[ProSense]

52. I don't think the vote was wrong! I regret

that Bush is an asshole. An honest and honorable person would not have launched a war the way Bush did, by lying to the Congress and the country.

[MrTriumph]

53. Next time, follow my lead.

Some of us- many of us- knew the folly of voting for the IWR before the vote was held. Next tike send me an e-mail and I'll clue you in.

BTW, yiou STILL can't trust Bush and the Republicans.

[ProSense]

55. Faulty thinking is not leadership. It's just as dangerous as Bush! n/t

[MrTriumph]

90. So you want to continue to punish Kerry for his bad judgement?

Hey, he's turned the corner. Now if the apologists could do the same....

[karynnj]

92. No, of course he shouldn't, wouldn't vote for it again

[blm]

64. He shouldn't SAY IT - but he's dealing with the reality that GOP media WON

and the left WON the battle for the FRAMING of the IWR - you ALL won in the media, IWR now equals war - just as Bush needed to take the heat and accountability OFF of his VIOLATING THE IWR TO HAVE HIS WAR.

Congratulations to all the DUMBASSES who for FOUR FOCKING YEARS steered ALL FOCUS OFF OF BUSH for bastardizing the measures in the IWR that would have PREVENTED WAR if they had been followed.

[karynnj]

36. Most of us didn't argue that it was the right vote, but that it

was not a vote for war. What I see in his public statements and the Senate statements reassured me that if he was President, he would not have gone to war. I agree with his March statement, he was wrong to trust that the President wouldn't lie about war.

[TayTay]

41. You are confusing things on purpuse here.

Kerry said in Oct at Georgetown that he took his share of the blame for the Iraq War. This is largely because the people equate that vote as a vote for war. It was not suposed to be a vote for war, it was supposed to be a vote to boot the whole thing to the UN, but the Bushies twisted it and proclaimed it a vote for war.

I think Sen. Kerry is a grownup. I think he understands that the perception of this vote, true or not, was that it was a vote for war. (I still don't think he voted for war, but then again I actually read his statements from the time and read his actual words on the floor, so what do I know.)

How many dead kids and wounded vets does it take before you start to scream enough? Do you plan on turning any converts who turn against this war as an act of conscience away? If any Rethugs ever started to turn against this, would you let them?

[Palmeto]

12. Can we just pull out?

Seems like it would be more complicated than that.

[stop the bleeding]

14. and cut and run - fuck no that is just "un-american"

on edit: the rethuglicans put out talking points everyday - this talking point is as old as the war, better get use to them

Welcome to DU btw

[Palmeto]

16. I just mean

that we are already neck deep now. Seems like we are sort of obligated to fix what we have broke.

[ProSense]

17. We? Iraqis want Americans out, so they can fix their own country! n/t

[Palmeto]

20. Seriously?

All of them or just a few? I thought there was supposed to be a new government there and they still wanted us there.


Besides that aren't there other countries there as well?

[ProSense]

21. Not a few, an overwhelming majority! n/t

[uppityperson]

26. Majority, what "all" of any country agrees with anything? Other comments

And yes, there are other countries there, leaving means the whole coalition (don't forget Poland) leaves. The vaste majority want the coalition out. al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until the invasion/occupation, still are not a major group there, as they are not a major group in the USA or Canada. And yes, getting out would take a bit of time, even to move all the people and equipment out. "getting out" is not the same as me preparing for a trip (spend 10 minutes packing a bag, walk out door locking it on way).

[stop the bleeding]

18. If we were really a Nation of Morals with "Christian" values

then we would have never bomb and killed 100k-150k Iraqi's in the name of WMD's, Iraqi Freedom or whatever they are calling it this month.

Who would Jesus bomb? Would Jesus have gotten himself into this? and we are not just neck deep, this thing is over our heads

Just pull up a chart that shows the amount of Soldier deaths, along with Iraqi deaths, and money spent and you will see that month over month each of those catagories are getting worse and worse.

Lastly why would we have to fix something when we formally declared "Mission Accomplished" over 2 years ago.:crazy: am the only one who is taking crazy pills

[Palmeto]

19. Ok

but getting past those talking points that have been run into the ground...I am saying we can't just pack it up and leave tomorrow...we have promised the new government we would stay until they are ready...they are supposed to be training Iraqi citizens to police the place...from what I gether....if we just up and leave it seems like Al-Quaeda would take right over...



But then again maybe it doesn't matter....I was just asking cause everyone keeps saying to get out and I want to understand if it is really that simple...

[stop the bleeding]

22. You need to read the whole article in the OP

The proposal would keep US troops in Iraq to train Iraqis and a significant force elsewhere in the region. But the provision to withdraw almost all other troops from Iraq by the end of the year appears to be certain to fail in a lopsided vote. Democrats control only 44 of the 100 Senate seats, and even many Democrats say they do not believe setting a firm deadline for troop withdrawals is advisable, because it could encourage the insurgency

Kerry said he is working with Senate Democratic leaders to negotiate possible changes to his resolution that could unite the Democratic caucus; a vote is likely to be held tomorrow . Several prominent Democrats have endorsed a gradual drawdown of troops, which they refer to as a ``phased redeployment," with a looser deadline than Kerry would set.

Yet Kerry said he is adamant that there be a firm date for troops to leave Iraq, so that responsibility for Iraqi security will clearly shift to Iraqis.




now your words

I am saying we can't just pack it up and leave tomorrow...we have promised the new government we would stay until they are ready...they are supposed to be training Iraqi citizens to police the place...from what I gether....if we just up and leave it seems like Al-Quaeda would take right over...


Isn't that what the article says Kerry is proposing? just asking cause I still feel like I am taking crazy pills, I know English has been determined the official language by our Congress so there isn't much ambiguity in his statements.

[Palmeto]

23. Take some Decaf

I was just asking and I was asking in general and not based on what Kerry might do. Forget it.

[stop the bleeding]

25. you asked n/t

[uppityperson]

29. How do "we fix what we broke"? "talking points"????

Interesting language you are using, sounds like MSM propaganda. Do you really consider a "talking point that has been run into the ground" giving information about increasing deaths, money spent, desire of Iraqis for coalition out? How do we fix what we broke? Are you talking about putting Saddam back in power as this would stabilize the country again?

[uppityperson]

31. What did we break, how can it be fixed? Seriously asking you

what are your ideas? Welcome to DU

[dailykoff]

28. It is more complicated. Now we owe reparations. (n/t)

[helderheid]

24. a politician who can admit they made a mistake? RECOMMENDED!!

[dailykoff]

27. One down, 49 to go.

Or have any senators besides Kerry and Kennedy actually called for a withdrawal?

[karynnj]

39. Boxer , Feingold and Harkin too I think

[JerseygirlCT]

30. Why? Why did he not just simply say this during the campaign?

Not couched in careful language, but just simply say: I made a mistake, and we were all lied to. I regret foolishly believing anything GWB said. I should have known better.

So frustrating!

[MrTriumph]

34. Amen, JerseygirlCT!

x

[dailykoff]

32. They had to drag the IWR into the headline.

Good old Globe. Anyway it's a great story.

[upi402]

38. I like him. A wise person has an open mind. A strong person can

change their opinion after learning new information.

[dysfunctional press]

42. and i regret my vote for kerry.

mostly i regret not having an actual choice in the primary in 04 by the time ours rolled around.

as long as the dlc picks our presidential tickets, we're doomed for failure.

and personally- i don't agree that the troops should just be pulled out at this point- unfortunately, WE broke it, WE bought it- it's our responsibility now.

what we need to do is cave in on the oil rights, and the puppet government thing, and allow the rest of the world to pitch-in...and be compensated fairly for their efforts, oil contracts-wise.

[ProSense]

44. Good! Regret is part of getting past bitterness and anger! n/t

[MrTriumph]

45. That would defeat Bush's purpose for invading

"what we need to do is cave in on the oil rights, and the puppet government thing, and allow the rest of the world to pitch-in...and be compensated fairly for their efforts, oil contracts-wise."

Questionall, you make a good point and I suspect you know just as well as the rest of us that this isn't going to happen. Bush will defend American oil contracts to the death (not his own, of course).

[ProSense]

47. "i don't agree that the troops should just be pulled out at this point"

Then Kerry isn't your candidate! That's definitely clear!

[dysfunctional press]

54. kerry voted to get us into this mess...

but now doesn't want to live up to the responsibility he voted for us to take on...

what a guy... :eyes:

[ProSense]

56. False! In fact, all the BS about the vote continues to embolden Bush n/t

[dysfunctional press]

57. which part is false?

please explain.

[blm]

76. We fulfilled our responsibilty - they have HAD 3 elections already.

Time for THEIR elected government to get serious. Kerry's bill had plenty in it to support that happening - it wasn't cut and run like the GOP media is getting YOU to believe.

[BlooInBloo]

50. I think Kerry is to be forgiven, upon sincere apology....

... as is Clinton, and pretty much any others.

People err. It's what they do.

Of course, if you don't think the apology is sincere, that's a different issue. But ya gotta ask yourself: do you think an apology is insincere SIMPLY because or your pre-existing opinion of the person? Or is there something specifc, and more local to the apology that ring the insincere-bell?

[dysfunctional press]

58. fine- i'll forgive them...but i'll NEVER vote for them.

fool me once...

[BlooInBloo]

59. (shrug) Your choice of course, but I don't call that "forgiving"...

... If people "canned" everyone who made mistakes that cost lives, we'd have no generals, no Presidents, and so forth.

I just don't think that's a practical approach.

I think it's more important to judge of the mistake-maker whether or not they've learned appropriately from their mistake, and such things.

Also, your very phrase "fool me once..." directly implies that you don't regard an apology as genuine in the first place - so I can see how there's nowhere to go with you in a conversation about apologies and forgiveness.

[dysfunctional press]

60. everyone's entitled to an opinion.

but "forgiving" a person for past deeds doesn't require that you reward them for it either.

politicians count on people having short memories and no self-respect.

[BlooInBloo]

61. I thought it was clear when I said "It's your choice of course"...

... and who's talking about REWARDING anyone? Certainly not me.

Again - if we canned everybody who made a mistake, we would have quite literally no generals, practially no Presidents, none of a LOT of people.

You ignored this argument-from-practicality - which is again your choice.

[dysfunctional press]

62. i would consider voting for someone a reward for their actions.

foriveness for past actions doesn't require supporting someone in their future endeavors.

[blm]

67. Have fun finding ANY lawmaker alive who has effected this nation's

governance more positively than John Kerry has over the last 35 years. Kerry makes REAL history while others throw an occasional bomb now and then.

[dysfunctional press]

70. yeah- that iwr vote...way to go john...

whatta guy.

especially now- he voted FOR the iwr...but now thinks that the troops should come home...he doesn't want us to live up to the responsibilities brought on by his iwr vote...thats REAL heroism, alright...:eyes:

[blm]

71. Only an IDIOT THINKS that IWR took us to war. Ever hear of the Downing St

Memos? Bush was going in no matter what - Bush violated the measures in the IWR, and he would have done the same with ANY resolution.

Blaming the iWR is pretty narrowminded - especially since the IWR would have PREVENTED WAR if it had been administered correctly.

You focus all blame on the IWR and YOU let Bush off the hook for violating it to have his war.

[dysfunctional press]

73. Kerry voted YES, Feingold voted NO...

'nuf said.

real courage takes guts, john...

[blm]

75. And Feingold was NOT NEGOTIATING the resolution was he? NO - he NEVER

sticks his neck out to do the REALLY TOUGH STUFF. Negotiating IWR never gets any fucking understanding from a pack of uncomprehending knuckleheads who blame a RESOLUTION as if that resolution alone led to war - IT DID NOT.

YOU wanted the real BLANK CHECK Bush wanted? That would be NO WEAPONS INSPECTIONS, NO DIPLOMACY, and IRAN AND SYRIA AS THE NEXT TARGETS.

You were getting either the IWR or the REAL BLANK CHECK - the negotiators were stuck trading their votes for measures they put in.

If Feingold was such a great fighter, why did he choose to sit back and stay OUT of the negotiations? Why did he REFUSE to sign the Downing St. Memos investigation letter? Don't pile on crap about Feingold if you don't want it thrown back tenfold.

You STILL can't name any lawmaker who has effected this nation's REAL HISTORY more positively than John Kerry has so you hide behind IWR like it's your security blanket - yeah - the only important RESOLUTION That was ever conceived. Except that it really WASN'T - Bush was going to violate ANY RESOLUTION to have his war and he had the media manipulate YAHOOS to think the IWR was to blame.

[MrTriumph]

91. Byrd knew Bush would use the IWR to go to war and said so

There was ample warning Bush would use the IWR as a green light for war.

You can blah-blah all you like about the provisions of the IWR. It was expected Bush would do as he pleased. A NO vote was the only honest option possible.

Hey, HRC! Stop listening to the apologists! Get real!

[BlooInBloo]

68. Ok - I don't think of voting for someone in that way AT ALL....

... I think of a vote for someone as simply a "this is, in my opinion, the best person for the job".

There's no connotation of "reward" in that concept at all.

Just different concepts (not totally unrelated, I'm sure, but distinct nonetheless).

[dysfunctional press]

69. and the way i determine if it's the best person for the job...

is by examining their record. if i feel that their record makes them the best candidate for the job, i'll reward them with my vote.

[BlooInBloo]

74. LOL! I get it. You think vote=reward. Fine. I don't.

It's all good tiger.

[Breeze54]

63. "It was wrong and I was wrong to vote for that Iraqi war resolution."

"It was wrong and I was wrong to vote for that Iraqi war resolution."

That's what I needed to hear!! :grr:

FINALLY!!!!!
:cry:

[hiphopnation]

65. ...

:popcorn: